” THEY don’t appreciate their tzniusdik wives they WANT to be menuvals, and they don’t care about what they might be bringing home with them.”

aries

I don’t think you understand the real issue at hand.

A Menuval is a person who has the ability to choose between right and wrong, and they choose the wrong

Sometimes the people who are doing these things don’t even know what they’re doing, they are ADDICTS-they need help

If you can understand that, fine, if not let’s leave it at that

Keen

You’re %100 percent correct

If a guy is lusting after his neighbor then his issue lies far, far, deeper than just his neighbor.

It defenitely can add to it, but, it is far from the issue itself

My comment is not based on Tznius, I’m a guy and I cannot comment on that, I think it’s the women who need to be the ones to talk about it and stress its importance

shmooze

1day

“that should start from day 1.”

You mean from 1day?!

shmooze

8 bucks on water?

I usually have water bottles in my car that I bring in with me to the lounge. 24 pack for 8 bucks

Yeah, but i never eat the food or drink

I have sisters B”H, they just do things quickly

My car is pretty clean, I just like to make the girls feel like royalty

I concede, fine, i’ll pay for your water:)

Shmooze

oomis

“For my girls, they need men of good character and substance, who are gentlemen and gentle men. People who are slow to anger, and quick to forgive. Who will enjoy working in the kitchen with them, and enjoy parenting”

Sounds like someone I know……ME:)

Shmooze

dunno

“But maybe if you prepare for the date as long as I do (including hair, makeup, etc), I’ll consider it.”

Are you kidding me?

Cleaning my car: vaccuming, car wash, 45 minutes $20-30

( I don’t exactly have a car wash around the corner from me)

Shaving, showering, getting dressed: 30-45 minutes

making sure my suit and shirt are pressed: money for the cleaners and time to and from the cleaners

Driving to and back from, her house: IF shes from lakewood, Monsey, Pasaic, Over an hour each way, plus gas and tolls

Beat That

How long does it take for hair, makeup, getting dressed? an hour, tops?

So would you pay for MY water?

Shmooze

Shkoiach:)

sac, sender

Whats are the things you make best?

dunno

Could you at least pay for some of it, like your Diet Coke perhaps?

Why is it someone elses busniness if another individual smokes or not. Is it affecting you directly? If not, mind your own

Are you appalled by people who speak Lashon Hara?

Are you appalled by lack of tznius?

Are you so perfect that YOU never do anything wrong and follow the Torah to the T?

Stop judging others, it’s Gaava

There is only one true judge and it’s NOT YOU

oomis

Good Question- Because when I post from my Blackberry, the sreen only allows me a certain amount of room to see what I’m posting, more than that I would not see what I’m writing, so when I hit enter it goes to the next line where i can see what I’m writing.

I’m a poet

And I didn’t even know it

“Also, exactly what is it that you are expecting that you are not getting? Could you be clear about that? “

Perhaps a bit of warmth, or that I should feel that she’s interested

Either way, it’s all good, the RBS”O has a plan for me and I need to just keep on davening that HE should point me in the right direction.

I wasn’t really asking for advice, I was simply pointing out, based on previous posts on this thread, that it’s not all black and white and each situation needs to be discussed with a mentor, situation by situation

We’ve created a script about what needs to be done in our lives and how we think we should behave, shidduchim, yeshivas, that we forget that we are all individuals, with individual characteristics, personality, ideas, goals, hashkafahs, etc. that we must remember that about ourselves and each other, we are not objects. We should do the right thing, follow the Torah and seek and have for ourselves a Rebbi, mentor that can guide us.

Ad bias goel tzedek….amen

shmooze

Oomis

THAT means that I would like to

to get back the-all that I’m

giving

I think I deserve that much

And no, it does not have to mean

that she’s ill mannered. It

could be that she’s has some fears

(number one in dating is fear

of rejection) which may lead her

to behave the way she is

Also, if she’s not so interested

in me, and she’s acting the way

she is, then that could be

ill mannered, because if I’m

giving all I’ve got then I’m

allowed to expect THAT in return

Or maybe she’s just playing it

cool, because she thinks I’m

not so interested

So I guess we shall see

I don’t have an answer

But, Wolfs seems to make sense

The Mind can’t know how much time

it has left to live, but it knows

how much it has already lived,

so it adjusts to the time it has

already had, with each passing

moment.

So, when a person is young,the

mind has not had so much time

alive, and the time units see to

last forever, but as a person

gets older, his mind adjusts

with time, and he gets used to

Time, so it doesn’t feel so long

Funny, I was thinking the same thing

Nice, me too

Do you cook?

Dunno

Really?

I’m dating a Girl right now and

doing everything I can to be as

“chivalrous” (seems to be the new

word around here) as possible

and I’m not getting much in return

It goes both ways

A healthy relationship is a

give-and-take

“i’m julia childs”

General and food

Mel Brooks- nice, not so clean though

times almost up

yep- to thine own self be true

Yissachar and Zevulin-Equally important

Kavod

it’s a song from the Yossef Shpiel

“yosef oh yosef grab on to this rope so that i may lead you back to your fathers house”

what about Wolfgang Puck