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JewishFeminist, just like you expect the whole world to be openminded to your way, you have to be openminded to men who are shomer aynayim and maybe feel very uncomfortable looking and talking to women they don’t know (or do know!) It’s not that these men are lacking in middos tovos, that they can’t say good shabbos to you, they are just putting extra guards on themselves so as not to be nichshal. Please understand that being more stringent in Halacha does not mean that they are lackin in Derech Eretz. Believe me I’m sure they don’t ignore their wives, daughters, mothers or shviggers! It’s you who is so farnummen with your “feminism” you can’t be openminded to those who are maybe not feminist extremists, they are just extremists in fearing G_D.
What I don’t understand is why Yeshiva World is posting stuff that were written on Shabbos. YW, from what I do understand you are a shomer shabbos website, so please, only endorse Shomer Shabbos commentators!!!
Thank you sammyjoe for speaking my mind!!
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Zevi8, maybe you should consider moving to a place, that you don’t feel so negative about. Most people who live in Lakewood, actually appreciate the place. You sound like you have a huge chip on yur shoulder.
gila, you are absolutely right. If we show these children that we love them regardless of anything, they will always feel that when they want to come back, we have open arms. What I was talking about before is our responsibility as parents, even of younger children to convey the right message. Once chas v’shalom a child is on the fringe, we have to just shower them with love and acceptance.
Average and Normal is what everyone thinks they are.
Teenager, I guess there is no real definition of modern orthodox. Everyone has a different version of it. There is nothing wrong with wearing a different type of Kippah, or not wearing a black hat. Where does it say in the Torah, what color or type of head covering one should wear? I’m not talking about that, and anyone here who is not ‘yeshivish’, is getting all offended. It does say in the Torah, that women have to cover their hair and body, and this has nothing to do with ‘yeshivish’. A man is also not allowed to look at uncovered parts of a woman, which is plastered all over TV. These things are Halacha, not preferences.
Shindy, I have internet with a filter that I can only access my email, and a work related website and Yeshiva world. I would never have unlimited access to World Wide web, even though my husband does not know how to turn on the computer, but its just too scary.
ONe thing is for sure, LakewoodBubby, Flatbush is not that beautiful!!!
you have to try your best, to serve nutritious meals, but don’t mach meshuga about it, cuz it will turn into a whole political issue. There are more importan things to focus on. YOu also don’t want yur teenage kids to be so obsessed with nutrition and dieting, it can turn into an eating disorder!
Doesn’t having a tv in one’s house transgress Gilui Arayos. No matter how careful, you are what you watch, its all over the TV’s. Even the stupid news reporter on CNN is hardly dressed? I know its all over the streets and on billboards, but a tv you are bringing into your house?! One wants their kids to be successful in the Yeshivos no matter how ‘modern’ you are. How can you expect your son to daven and keep his mind on a sugya, when pictures of immodestly dressed women are ingrained in his head? And thats to say the least. Forget about us parents but what about our kids, the next genereation, its such a huge responsibility!!! Sorry, I always wonder about this TV issue. It definitely is a mixed message.
Feif Un, You are not modern orthodox! If what makes you different than a right wing orthodox is your( and not your wife’s) dress code, than that does not mean you are modern orthodox. I was talking about people who don’t look Frum at all and keep the basic three mitzvos and Yomim Tovim. I am not judging anyone, but one thing I do know is, if you want to teach your children that torah is the right way, and then you bring a TV into your house and let them see kol davar assur, and put it on a timer for Shabbos etc…., your kids will get mixed messages. Listen, its hard, especially when one was brought up like this, why should they do anything different.
I have alot of relatives who are modern orthodox, and one thing I’m seeing with all of them, is that the majority of their kids are not Frum. I ask myself why? Modern Orthodoxy gives off very mixed message – The torah states 613 mitzvos and we keep Shabbos, Kashrus, Taharah, Yomim Tovim and some basic others that will not interfere with us mingling with the secular world. There is barely a dress code that keeps Modern oRthodox people separate from their non-jewish counterparts. I have nothing against Modern ORthodox people and I’m not trying to give mussar,and believe me there is alot of things that are far from perfect in the right wing Frum community. But..the message that Modern ORthodox parents give their children is – pick and choose. Lets keep the main things, but you can look like your goyish neighbour! It’s very confusing and not very committing and kids may feel that it’s not such a big deal to go a little more left. there are no clear boundaries anyway! It’s an unfortunate movement!
AY AY AY, you guys are making a real chilul Hashem, stop all this bantering!
Zevi8, you sound like one of these liberal, openminded wannabes, who love to play the devils advocate!. YOu know good and well how much gross, dirty and immoral stuff can be accessed with the click of the mouse. Do you really want your children (or yourself) to be exposed to this even by mistake!!! What on earth are you saying? It says “Ain Apotropus L’Arayos”, even the holiest of holy can be caught in this trap, and you say you should trust your children?!!
Ses, people like your sister, who does keep some things like Pesach and Yom Kippur (both are very strict Laavim), she obviously has a very guilty feeling in her, that does not let her transgress serious Laavin. She obviously feels that Hashem does care what she doing, she is just not up to keeping it all the way, for whatever reason. I don’t have a crystal ball, but she does sound like she just needs to get over certain things in her mind and heart that turned her off and will eventually come back.
Gitty, wherever you are, I hope you realize how everybody cares about you and is saddened by your distaste for Yiddishkeit. I hope when you are saturated with all the pleasures of the secular world as Itzik realized, you will realize that there is one truth, and that is Hashem and His Torah.
Gitty, do you actually believe that we were put in this world just to enjoy the world and there is absolutely no afterlife? Do you actually believe this world was created on its own? A person as deepthinking as you, I would expect that you would believe in these things. I’m curious to know what you actuallty believe in. RSVP
No matter what stage of the game one is, if one is capable of learning, he should not let a day go by without opening a sefer, be it 1/2 hour or 7 hours! You know what you are capable of and Hashem for sure knows, but don’t let that day go by without learning!
Gitty, I understand that you have a need to express yourself in art, literature etc. Yet being a G-D fearing Jew does not mean that you can’t do that. I understand that you were ‘burnt’ by the system, yet I hope you will be able to get over it and realize that there is more to Judaism than the BY system. There are many ways to keep the Torah and still express your individuality and talents.. I agree that sometimes the Yeshiva/BY system tries to suppress this, and its a wrong approach. It mostly stems from trying to shelter our children from the immoral world that we live in. Yet they don’t always use the right tactics, and that is where ppl. like you and many other kids, unfortunately have fallen between the cracks. I hope when your anger against the turmoil that you have experienced subsides, you will realize there is a G-D up there who cares about you and what you do. A thinking person like you cannot live for the rest of your life without spirituality and purpose for afterlife. Good Luck!