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@syag I didn’t bring any bias to my comment, my son and multiple nephews and nieces didn’t go to EY this year because of corona and guess what, we all managed just fine.
We managed with less and life went on.Take the 8-12 K that it cost and give three quarters of that the keren yesomim campaigns and with the remainder send her to a local one, people managed with simple weddings, bucherim can manage without the zman in EY and so can the sem girls.
One of the silver linings of covid 19 is that we discovered that we can make due with less.@milhouse
“most of his talmidim probably accept his pask”, well your not a talmid if you don’t follow your rebbis pask, and you wrote MOST and PROBARLY meaning that you don’t know for sure.
So I stand by what I said, no one besides him [ and “probably most” of his talmidim] hold this way.Huju we have 3 relevant questions, what the law is, if they don’t get legal clearance its a moot point.
2, can they get enough staff in time? open question
3. Will the children come if they are open? unknown
I know these are the questions they are dealing with because by brother in law runs one of the biggest camps in the catskillsThere is a priest in North Caldwell NJ who is suing the State of NJ for closing houses of worships that can conduct services with social distancing, that law firm forced Illinois to allow services, I think that priest will win that suit.
@ coffee addict nothing to do with religion, everything to do this a quack medication
Sorry If you expecting a refund from any yeshiva/ sem./ cheder I have a bridge to sell you
The porch minyanim were paskined ok in Lakewood as long as they can see each other and keep social distaning, quite a number of rabbonim in Monsey, Brooklyn and Montreal allow porch minyan,
That being said its a very noble gesture on your partSorry wedding presents being the norm have gone the way of the manual typewriter, leaded gasoline and the rotary telephone
@Joseph all of the above
@millhouse, no one but him holds that way, the chosen, the two aidus and misadre kidusshin, that means 6 more people, not that hard to find 6 willing people@rabbigreenstpan, it was a tongue in cheek comment, and you never answered my question
@ Rabbi Greenspan, My father was from the original kollel yungerlite in the first Kollel in the US [BME], my sons went thru the kollel system as did my son in law, all with partial support and a very simple lifestyle now they all work,. how familiar are you with the kollel system
Your Surmise it wrong, New Jersey is one of the most densely populated states, density=spread that all there is to it
Dear n0misorah,
Not very complicated pirakay avos, payrick 1 Mishna 6 says it all, ‘asay lecha rav”, find your self a rav.
Hopefully one day you will find yours, I have ONE rav who is moreh derech for me and a dayan who paskens shailos, when the extended family had issues such as end of life, we asked a rav who is a mumcha in these issues.@yehudayona, one of the big factors the drives Covid 19 is density, New York State has 62 counties [ including the 5 boros each being a separate county] on those counties 51 out of the 62 have a population density of less then 500 per mile whereas New Jersey has 21 counties and only 7 have density of less then 500 per mile.
That should answer your question@007 Silly question perhaps on my part but if your not an orthodox Jew why are you spending time on the YWN in general and commenting about Kollel in particular?
Dear nOmesorah,
In a few years start dating, find your zivik, get married, have kids, start paying tuition and then let me know what your opinion is@Joesph, you are wrong after during the last recession a lot of kollel yungerlat suddenly had the “the schvers credit card and high end lease stopped, and horror of horror’s went to work either as a clay kodesh or in the businesses world. I remember in kollel of the 70s and 80s maybe even the 90s and it was a very different animal,
@rational misiras nefesh is one of the most overused words these day.lets see
1. The sun rose the sun set
2. 1000s of people were born
3. The hole in the ozone layer repaired it self
4. Price of gas dropped
5. 100,000 + made a fully recovery
6. millions had the virus with little or no symptoms
7. The US is gradually reopening.
8. Illegal immigration dropped
9. Crime level dropped
10. Car crashes dropped.I started taking him to mikva Fridays and it stopped
Check back in a few years when you find out
@Quayboard, conversely the Yom Kippur war had 11656 Casualties and the Intifada had 9863 casualties, the total casualty count in Israel for covid19 is 208 and they reopened.
Bottom line both your opinion and Haimy are IRRELVANT!!!I hear that both Governors Coumo and Murphy are looking for advisors to work for them, feel free to send your resume
It depends on the generation and sector that you grew up in. I grew up in the 70s and 80 where this mindset was unheard of, people in the city lived in small houses or two bedroom apt, Monsey had small houses, Lakewood was an enclave of serious bnai torah who lived in a minimalist society No one drove around with high end lease cars, EY was only for the ultra serious and ultra committed lifestyle, with meat maybe twice a week and no credit card from “der schver”
Outside the “Yeshiva velt” this is still the exception, the MO community has no concept of “schver support” and chasidisher only stay in kollel for 1-5 years and then go to work.
Three out of the five industries that will take the heaviest hit from Corona is that the frum olam is heavy into,
Nursing homes, Real Estate and Construction, it will be years before they recover or even ever get back to our current level, so in the near term “scvhver support” may not happen,@n0mesorah, “entitled”??? no one is entitled to anything, state law mandates education until age 17, lets have your opinion in lets say 15 years from now after your married and have kids of your own, not a bored teen’s opinion
@yichdick “I’m sure there are many more lessons to learn that have nothing to do with sheitels, or mamzeirim, or anything else. You want an explanation? HKBH is the beginning and the end, and all he does is for a reason. He doesn’t share that with bosor ve’dom, not anymore. Learn what you can from the experience, but don’t have the arrogance to think you know the reason. ”
WOW WOW!!! how wonderfully you put it down, thank you thank you thank youMR. Unhealthy, The Lakewood minyanim have both the Government and Rabbonim approval, someone from outside that area opinions are irrelevant,
PS there are bunkers in a island off the coast of New Zeeland where there is no chance of catching covid 19 if you are interestedLets see,
I got to robo calls today one saying the long shaytils caused it, the other say it was technology that caused it, the leader in my wife shmirah haloshon group said it was caused by loshon horah, my neighbor whos son was not accepted in the yeshiva of his choice said it because the boys are not accepted that caused it, my SIL who is a social worker said its because we not embracing at risk kids, my other neighbor says its because we don’t do enough kiruv, parent’s neighbor says is from over development, 3 prior poster had other reasons and the OP has his,
Why don’t we be humble and admit that not everything is in the realm of human understanding or will it ever be, how about if there is something that we can be misakin on let do it for ourselves and not tell others reasons that we think caused it,THIS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DUMB!!!!, NOBODY KNOW WHY
OMG!!! please enough already, everyone has his own explanation as to why we have covid 19, the last time I check the last of the nivim was about 2000 years ago, At the height of the epidemic I got 17 robo calls in one day with everyone’s agenda as to why this happened ranging from long shaytils, to fancy weddings, to speaking loshen horah, to technology, to the gay parade to building of multi family housing,
PLEASE STOP, no one knows and anybody who claim they know der aybisters chesbons is a kofer.Reb Eliezar, Exactly he said everyone show ask the own Rov from his area, So Lakewood said Yes, 5 towns said no, and shalom is achieved everyone should agree to disagree, Flatbush stick to Flatbush, Monsey stick to Monsey etc tec.