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June 1, 2020 8:20 am at 8:20 am in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1866361
@ av, its just the verbiage they use in Hebrew, they know EXACTLY who made the calls:
In Israel, the Freedom of Information Law, 5758-1998, supported by the Freedom of Information Regulations, 5759-1999, controls freedom of information. It defines the bodies subject to the legislation by a set of listed categories – essentially, most public bodies – and provides for the government to publish a list of all affected bodies.
They filed FOILS and know who made the calls,
PS people are filing FOILS in the US as well
No but opening a shul or yeshiva maybeMay 31, 2020 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1866194
@n0m I was going make a comment about the bucherish mentality however I will answer in hopes that you will mature.
The Mosod control the gemach therefore the informer needs to come to the mosed to borrow the money, to rent the low cost hall they to reserve the place thru the shamas.
So no, this has teeth in it and from what I hear in bnai breq other mosdos are following the leadMay 31, 2020 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1866103
@Avi k, had you read this post from the beginning instead of just trying to make someone sound silly you would have read that we are talking about a Chasidus in Bnai Brak not NYC.
but being that you asked I will tell you, the Chasidus has many services that the community at large utilizes including a very low cost social hall [ just pay the cleaning cost], a gemach that lent money to the community at large, etc. This has been going for many year pre corona and will iyh go on for many more years.
As to your question of how do they know who informed, very simple its a matter of public record both in Israel and in the USA
EditedMay 31, 2020 9:50 am at 9:50 am in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865981
@milhouse, this has nothing tp with what you are asking, its a mosdos banning the use of its service and benefits to the local snitches.
@nom and the same is true in this caseMay 28, 2020 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865809
@Godal, that happen in YI of Deerfield and they shunned the porch miyan people, whereas in Beni brak they shunned the informers, it depends on eyes of the beholder.May 28, 2020 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865808
@Wolf I think the mosdos have it right, if your a moser they will stop servicing you. I guess the guy whos car alarm annoyed you should stop giving you hitchesMay 28, 2020 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865733
@ Avi K, no problem, the way to respond with kindness is with equal kindness, being the Bohush was such a evil place and it needed a favor of being reported, the mosdos is extending the favor by forcing them to find another Gamach or another social hall that one can rent for next to nothing, kindness is repaid in kind.May 28, 2020 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865727
I posted this the same way the person posted the news about Young Israel or the same way that Yair Hoffman posted about Rabbi Frankel. Its current events and this report was already in the media, certainly didn’t post it for fun of it.
The mochlokes started on March 17 and continued till now, when you had a Doctor running into shuls threatening people, when you have a van crashing into people davening outside, when you had a Rabbi threaten to run another Rabbi out of the five towns because he operated a porch minyan, when you had a shul in Florida ostracize people for forming a minyan that was not machlokes??? give me a break. And you certainly had no issue with those.
I guess it depends on whos ox is being gored.
I guess you were not around in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s 2000s
The MO crowd marched with MLK and the civil rights crowds
SSSJ and other related group did civil disobedience all the time.
There was civil disobedience with the withdrawal from Yamit and Gaza.
West Bank settlers do that anytime a settlement is dismantled just to name a few,May 28, 2020 8:55 am at 8:55 am in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865661
@n0m, the way to teach them is to make it painful that you wont be motivated to this again, for example when you speed and you pay a fine and your insurance goes up its a painful lesson.
There are number of people as you can see by reading the comments who feel 100% justified snitching on the neighbors I don’t care how scared you were, there are certain lines you don’t cross.
So if you try to bite the hand that fed you [ informing on the mosed when you used the gemach and now you need to find a new place to borrow money] let it be a painful lesson.
@n0m I always said it was overblown, however I am afraid bad feelings would linger for a long time, on my block we had people who davened in indoor miyanim, people who daven in outdoor minyanim and people who daven beyichus yet we all respected each others decisions, the problem is when you have agitators who call people names for disagreeing with his viewpoint, people calling police on others, it took sinah to a whole new levelMay 27, 2020 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865591
@godal, its time to pay the piper, the consequences of snitching on your fellow yid should have been thought thru before you drop your dime on your neighborMay 27, 2020 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865417
@thinking cap, it complaint is public record, very easy to trace the complaint. In fact there is a movement in Rockland, Ocean County and NYC to trace the source of the complaintsMay 27, 2020 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865416
@syag, there is a tort concept called assumption of risk, meaning that your aware of the risk and you proceed, for example when I go rafting, skiing, etc. I take an assumption of risk, Likewise this is the same, I have a high count of antibodies [ so high that the red cross call me the day after my results came in asking me to donate plasma] and I am negative for covid 19, so with social distancing my chances of infecting someone is remote.
Obviously this worked in Bohush because no one got seriously sick ,and they have every right to denie access to the extended network of chesed to those who stabbed them in the backMay 27, 2020 10:07 am at 10:07 am in reply to: Chasidus bans “informers” from using its facilities #1865341
@godolhatorah, I guess hero’s are in the eyes of the beholder, chances are that people who informed will pay the piper for some time to come [banned from using the social halls, gemachs etc.]May 27, 2020 7:58 am at 7:58 am in reply to: Empirical data: how did we handle COVID vs our neighbors? #1865289
08701 has quite a lot of 55 plus community and nursing homes that are not related to the frum community and it may throw the numbers out of wack.
@ doing my best, try googling those name and civil disobedience and then answer
@5ish, he was an average boy with slightly above shironos, I am average working man with no skeletons in the closet besides this once never had any issues getting my kids into school so no persona non grata issues, competing with a fancy family with deep pockets, who wins? the molester from the fancy family, and how do I know how he got in? the assistant admin told me he wrote out a 15K check two weeks before the farher
Its called civil disobedience, did you feel the same way when Avi Weiss did his civil disobedience? when Meir Kahane did his? when teens act stupid and prust at the salute to Israel parade?
N0M he got in instead of my son, so it would have been a moot point because both would not get in and he molested young grades not his.
N0M, no slur intended just a stupid question deserves a stupid response
@schnitz from Mt Sinai Covid plasma testing program and Rockland county Board of Health,
And BTW YOUR figures are WRONG Rockland has not posted any new cases from 10952 since May 2nd, so I don’t know where you made up that story, all new cases in Rockland are from Clarkstown or Haverstraw
Were you one of the victims?
@a manim I can relate to that, my son was not accepted into yeshiva because of politics but a shaverer bucher with money was accepted, the other bucher went on the next year to molest half of the younger grade
B from L, there just about ZERO new cases in the frum area for the past two weeks, and the antibody testing is coming back at around 75%, Sorry Dr D and Rabbi B
Yogi Berra expression is a loser cliqueMay 25, 2020 8:54 am at 8:54 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1864345
The last president we had who went to church on a regular basis was Jimmy Carter, Obama never went to church and when he did step foot in one is was the church run by a rabid anti semite.
PS irrelevant to the topic of the lawsuit.
One of the people who davened in our INDOOR regular shul minyan this shabbos was a 94 year old man who walks to shul everyday with a walker, this Shabbos was the first time he davened in a shul since corona, when people asked him why he came he said, I survived Kristallnacht, Kinder transport, other wars, 9/11 and I am an old man I will die of something eventually, so if I go down at least I will go down davening with a minyan.
@1 1918 the average life expectancy was 36, top speed of a car was 82, and there was not commercial flights.
@forshayer, I saw EVERY shul in forshay was open and running indoors, its great that you are giving people a choice to daven outdoors, but don’t say the minyanim in Forshay are closed because they are NOT.
PS Just about all minyan in the greater Monsey are up and running INDOORS, please tell me what shuls still remain closed in Rockland, none that I am aware of,
@a yid 2.0, how do you know about the 53 people in one room? were you one of them?
BTW the underground minyanim were running strong for 3 weeks now yet no spike
@benny horowitz All the miyanm factories are up and running full force with smaller miyanim, hamayvin yovim.
Really now? as far as I can tell ALL shuls in Forshay open, Sheiners, Rottenberg, Twerski, Schnall, Warfman are all open, what shuls are still closed?, in fact the shuls in Wesley and Montebello reopened for the most part.May 22, 2020 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm in reply to: Gravestone (matzeva) Inscriptions seeking opinions/advice #1863682
the most common way I have seen is on the back or a foot stone, some write it on the bottom, following the names you write Hay yud daled= hashem yekom domoy
The President just gave a plug to reopen shuls.
@Charlie Hall, you are in Toronto, NY numbers show about 50% antibodies and the frum number is closer to 75%.
@a yid2.0 There is a island off the coast of New Zeeland with self contained bunkers if your interested
@lower tution, the vaad of 5 towns is a kashut supervision agency
Neh then they will worry about the side effects of the vaccine
our shul and just about all shuls in Monsey have or will reopened into smaller minyanim, for example downstairs, ezras nashim etc, I hear the most of Brooklyn will reopen and almost all of the 5 towns will remain closed
Starting tomorrow miyanim are legal in NYSMay 20, 2020 8:55 am at 8:55 am in reply to: Can someone explain to me why some frum people are cavalier about corona virus #1862622
n0m, having lived thru a number of crises including 9/11 Iearned to focus on my time constructively,
The thinking and rethinking that I did focused in myself not on yennims. For example I am starting a new business project that I was a able to focus on, I managed to make a siyum on a mesktah.
Hopefully as you mature you will understandMay 19, 2020 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm in reply to: Can someone explain to me why some frum people are cavalier about corona virus #1862370
“I’ve been thinking about that alot during the corona virus.”
Get a hobby, learn a new language, take a online course, find a way to spend your time consecutively instead of thinking so much.
I noticed the miyanim are getting bigger and bigger by the day, so I guess its no longer an issueMay 19, 2020 8:36 am at 8:36 am in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1862092
a judge in Oregon threw out the shelter in place rules in that state yesterday
Yes you can, action speaks louder the words, if your Rav believes he should open he will and otherwise he wonts.
It looks like we will have our shuls open for shevous as per Gov. Cuomo, what would the anti minyanairs now that the dina dmalchusa is off the table