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He’s a daas yochid on cholov Yisroel being treif, because they separate the DA cows, but not a daas yochid on the milk products coming from DA cows.
What good is it if the DD offers Cholov Yisroel milk? All the keilim and equipment their using to prepare the drinks are Cholov Stam anyways.
You can buy a coffee. The regular coffee is made in a parve coffeemaker.
How can a microwave be kashered? And why wouldn’t a single incident ruin its kashrus?
Machlokes, but some hold it’s enough to physically clean it, then let a cup of water boil until the oven is filled with steam. A single incident wouldn’t change the halachic rule of achazukei issur lo mechazkinan where it is applicable.
Now you’re talking major sha’as had’chak.
1) Ein shliach lidvar aveirah, so I think the issue is only lifnei iver.
2) The discussion started when someone who identifies himself as a chusid from Kiryas Yoel helped someone find a DD.
But if the chalav stam is freash and the cholav yisroel is not, or the cholav yisroel is finished, he permitted to drink the cholav stam…l’chatchila.
You’re not using the word “l’chatchila” in the typical way. I can technically say that in a case of pikuach nefesh, it’s muttar to eat chazzir “l’chatchila”, but that’s not the typical usage.
Also, “baal nefesh yachmir l’atzmo” might very well mean even if it’s necessary to forego milk. I know people who are allergic or lactose intolerant and manage okay without it.
Ubiquitin:
1) Are they different? Even if I benefit, presumably it’s still the issur of lifnei iver, so if we assume that even klapei the machshil, it’s muttar for the nichshol, it should still be muttar.
2) Isn’t it conceivable that someone would hold the same way regarding cholov stam as R’ Belsky holds regarding the eruv?
I will bl”n post mareh m’komos on both sides of the issue if I have time later.
We don’t. (Note: this is to answer the first post, not the thread title.)
“We hold it’s assur” (according to my tzad l’hachmir).
Just to be clear, I do understand your position, that as long as I recognize that you are following a legitimate psak, I hold it’s muttar for you even if assur for me.
Lol at the analysis of the mindset of people who do or don’t eat cholov stam. For my part, that’s not even the discussion; it’s a discussion of lifnei iver.
I will say, though, that if my donut is chocolate glazed, and yours is Boston Creme, my donut is holier than thou’s. 🙂
Ubiquitin, in your view, you have the opposite paradox: how can you assist someone do something assur yet not be oiver on lifnei iver?
So the question remains: do we view the debated issur from the perspective of the machshi or the nichshol?
The question isn’t whether a Talmidei of one of the mattirim can carry, the point we’re discussing is whether a talmidei of one of the osrim can lend a book (good example) to a talmid of a mattir.
If I were trying to make up a new issur, your car analogy would work. I’m not, though; I’m saying what I think is a reasonable sevara that since I hold something is assur, I also hold aiding you to do it is lifnei iver, an issur which certainly exists.
Let’s put our question another way: would a Beis Hillel talmid suggest a tzaras habas as a shidduch for a Bais Shammai talmid?
I think either way is reasonable, so I’d like to see mareh m’komos, not just, “you’re wrong because the Shulchan Aruch doesn’t talk about your case”.
1. Yes, as I mentioned, but that’s not a carte blanche heter.
2. It’s still a safek, because it’s very common.
3. It’s unusual for it to be batel; they put it there for the taste.
4. The common treif ingredient/s are not that way.
5. I don’t know how liquid Tylenol tastes, but it’s loaded with sweetener, glycerin, and flavors for a reason.
6. We’re dealing with a potential d’oraisa.
I’m not trying to tell anyone when they can and can’t use it, I’m just saying it’s not so simple. What I’m saying is no chidush either; check out what some of the major hechsherim say about it.
Can you point to the siman which says it’s muttar?
I don’t see a difference in principle between the two cases, although there are practical differences: more people (at least in the yeshiva crowd) hold the eruv to be passul than hold CS to actually be assur, and not holding of the eruv in some cases has ramifications d’oraisa.
Ubiqitin, a talmid of R’ Belsky, who holds the Brooklyn eruv is absolutely passul, could not be mesayaia someone to use it, but could be mesayaia someone to eat CS. Although he holds it’s a chumra worth keeping, he holds meikar hadin it’s muttar. There would probably be a chumra in lifnei iver not to give him CS, though.
OTOH, it would be lifnei iver to give CS to someone who is makpid, even if you hold it’s muttar. If he holds it’s assur, it’s shavei anafshei even if it’s muttar. Even if it’s just a chumra for him, it would still fall under the category of a bad eitzah, also lifnei iver.
Obviously if you hold even he cant carry/eat chalav stam that is a sepperate discussion
No, it’s not a separate discussion; this is the point. If I hold that you need the actual presence of a Yid for cholov Yisroel, and mirsus isn’t sufficient, then I hold Elmhurst milk is cholov akum for everyone, not just for me.
I can still accept that you follow a legitimate shittah, and I can trust your kashrus for other types of food, and you can be an eid by my kiddushin (if you’re not otherwise passul) but lifnei over/m’sayeia would apply (putting aside, as you say, other technical details).
Assuming his posek is working within the framework of Orthodox Judaism, yet holds of the Eruv. Why cant that person carry?
The point isn’t whether that person can carry, the point is whether the person who holds the eruv is passul can help him to carry.
Can I tell a Sefardi where to buy Kitniyos he plans to eat on Pesach?
I don’t think that’s the same, because it’s based on minhag.
I have never heard a Rov who says someone who eats Chalav Stam is eating TREIF.
You may not have heard of it, but there are.
FYI if you have ever been to a dairy farm you would see there is no such thing as Chalav Akum, Chalav Yisroel etc. NOBODY milks cow anymore. Its all done by machines and automation.
What determines the cholov Yisroel or cholov akum status is not who milks it, but who sees or supervises the milking, so automation is irrelevant.
There’s a date on the teshuva – ?”? ???? ???”?, which was June 17, 1985.
The reason to allow milchig donuts is not because they’re mezonos, it’s because they’re not generally eaten as part of a meal, therefore not with meat.
Additionally, DD donuts are made to be eaten within the day they are baked, so it shouldn’t be a problem.
R’ Moshe’ psak was more than a decade after R’ Ovadia’s.
ZD, R’ Moshe Feinstein also held they need giyur l’chumra.
ROB, not mamzeirus, but they would require giyur l’chumra.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=12452&st=&pgnum=20
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&st=&pgnum=301&hilite=
ZD and ROB, if without geirus, then intermarriage certainly would be a p’sul.
Rabbiofberlin, with or without geirus?
I don’t think that’s such a big difference. Of course, the bigger the need, the more a posek would be willing to rely on an opinion he wouldn’t ordinarily rely on.
The biggest factor here is that the liquid medications are flavored, and their consumption is considered eating, as opposed to pills, which, although not without issues, are more lenient.
The problematic ingredients in liquid medications can be the flavoring, but often the problem is glycerine, which can have either a vegetable source or an animal source. The producers use either, depending on price, which changes.
You should keep reading it until you understand it.
The cop isn’t a Novi!
You should read my post before commenting.
You actually gave sound advice earlier, just to the wrong person.
If you go to B’nos Deshe, can you get Popsa?
They usually let us link to YWN articles.
Star K has a list of medications approved for use. Liqiuid Tylenol is NOT on it. I don’t know where you get your “information” from.
Also, the cRc says liquid Tylenol is NOT recommended. Ask your posek, as there certainly may be leniencies in certain cases, especially for young children, and others may disagree with the cRc (I haven’t checked the Star-K).
If the mods would please allow this link:
First of all, for refuah, you could take chazir shmaltz l’chatchila!
This is patently false. If it was a case of sakana and there was no other option, you’d be right (but I wouldn’t call that l’chatchilah).
Short of that, absolutely not.
See popa’s comment above.
Also, what do you mean “what would you like me to tell him”? How about the truth?
Which brand did you buy, where did you get it, and how much did you pay?
One online source says coconut oil is better.
The online sources which sell MCT oil all say it’s a great product.
Ubiquitin, google “chokehold or headlock”.
Well, one told me he got a heter.
What I’ve heard, though, is that Rav Soloveitchik made it conditional on there being a mechitzah within a few years. I suppose the ones who stayed on even after that, he might have referred to as mumar l’taiavon.
There may have been cases of genuine kabbalas ol mitzvos, but I’m answering the OP.
Headlock?