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If you don’t realize it, why is it embarrassing?
What does that have to do with this thread?
I don’t think anyone called me a she.
Bobov was decided in beis din.
Lol
We’re still waiting for Joseph’s response to the haskoma signed by multiple rabbonim.
I’m also having deja vu.
Again?Mods, please delete the first one. I used the wrong login again.
I don’t think I’m Joseph, but I’m not an expert on these matters.
ZG, someone disagreeing with you is not an unmistakable sign that they’re Joseph.
Lightbrite, you are every bit as much Joseph as I am.
etc…
Yes, there’s one about Scott Beigel. I guess that means that Joseph and ZD are one and the same.
Oops, wrong account.
No, I do it for free.
You’re right. Ironically, I found it on the internet…
Personally I thought it was hilarious and very well done.
Ok, I admit, you had me for a while on the other thread.
Now I’m insulted
Me12345, what if I told you that your post insulted me?
The biggest strengh of Charedim is their dedication to Yiddishkeite, but it is also their biggest weakness
What do you mean that dedication to Yiddishkeit is a weakness?
Ubiquitin, a freilichin Purim to you too.
Toi, you missed the last two words of his post.
GAON: You’re welcome.
So what your saying that if the ac had a built in timer (which are available on the market) then reb moshe would be ok with it just like a built in t-stat on shsbbos
No, I don’t think a timer being built into the appliance would make it muttar according to R’ Moshe. If you programmed a built in timer to turn on the a/c at 11pm Friday night, for example, the a/c’s operation is beginning at 11pm.
If, however, you turn on the a/c before Shabbos, and the compressor happens to cycle on at 11pm, that is considered a result of what you did on erev Shabbos.
How could they price out a public school, short of paying people to attend?
Presumably, some parents would pay some money towards a yeshiva education, the issue being presented is that it’s just too much.
Anyhow, I should have written “non yeshivas” to include private schools, instead of writing “public schools”.
A thermostat can be triggered by your actions.
That should not make a difference here.
No, the difference is as stated above, a thermostat is part of the normal function of the appliance, which was turned on before Shabbos. A timer is the appliance being turned on on Shabbos.
I didn’t speak of any noise.
“The sound of an air conditioner going on is not anymore the sound of Melacha.”
Where did Rav Moshe ever mention avsha milsa? He mentioned zilusa d’Shabbos, not avsha milsa.
And yes, the normal cycling on and off, for example, of a compressor, is a keili left on, but a timer is not. Rav Moshe clearly addresses that a timer is not an appliance left on – “שאין להחשיבו למעשיו עכשיו בערב שבת”.
News? Who cares if it’s news? It got you to read it. That’s why it was posted.
Did you read the article?
Yes?
Well, that’s why they posted it.
The MO schools are also competing with public schools for education , meaning they have to offer classes like AP and extra curricular activies than more charedi dont, otherwise some parents wont send their kids there
So the irony is, that the MO schools are pricing out some public school kids so that they can compete for public school kids.
Because to some people, not having their kids negatively influenced by kids whose parents could easily send them to public school is not negotiable.
In the more yeshivish communities, how many families with more kids and a lower income than most of these families aren’t in yeshiva? Close to zero. The bottom line is if there’s a will, there’s a way. A Jewish education should not be negotiable.
If tuition is $40K per year (as it is in some schools
It’s considerably less in others, so why is the only other option to send to public school and sacrifice the children’s Jewish future?
In the out of town communities where there is just 1 MO day school in a hundred mile radius, the tuition is truly impossible for some (20K+ for kindergarten).
In town MO schools are also outrageously expensive. I don’t know that it’s an OOT issue.
For a typical frum family, sending children to yeshivos is a priority, and everything else – where to live, work etc. works around that.
would you mind elaborating?
Read Rav Moshe’s teshuvah. He doesn’t actually talk about air conditioners at all, and doesn’t mention noise at all.
So to start talking about how air conditioners changed, or the sound of an air conditioner, completely misses the point.
DY:So from now on, whenever I have a halachic shailah, I will flip to a random page in the Igros Moshe and follow whatever it says…
Adding a bit to “whattosay’s” excellent post, there seems to also be a “my Rebbe is better than your Rebbe” influence in our dialogue that can only prevent proper dialogue and understanding.
I suggest we continue with the topic of selecting Igros without considering which Rebbe to consult. That is, is it possible for any deceased soul to interact with the world in such a way as to influence a particular living persons actions?
You seem to have misunderstood the point of that post (thread). It was not to say how my Rebbe is greater than your Rebbe. It was to illustrate the absolute folly of the idea of “consulting the Igros” by random selection.
If anyone would actually, literally, suggest consulting the Igros Moshe that way, they would be immediately referred to a psychologist (perhaps a psychiatrist).
If my rabbi would defend such a course of action, I would immediately look for a new rabbi.
Are u saying this as accepted in halachach or is this your personal sevara?
The generally accepted halachah is to permit Shabbos clocks; I am saying what I think is a simple distinction which even R’ Moshe, who assers Shabbos clocks, would agree with.
It’s clear that R’ Moshe didn’t have a problem with having a refrigerator on on Shabbos. If the normal cycling on and off of an appliance were the same as a timer, he would not have allowed it, as the compressor cycles on and off.
You can call it my sevara if you wish, but I think it’s a simple and clear distinction, and not really a chiddush.
Chopped liver is oneg Shabbos, not zilzul Shabbos.
Why is a timer different then a thermostat in a fridge,oven,ac,heating, hot plate, crock pot. Both dont have thier own minds yet we are only concerned with only a timer, even though both are going off and on at different intervals.
Good question, but I think the appliances cycling on and off is considered part of the running of the appliance, which started before Shabbos, but when a timer activates, it’s viewed as the appliance being turned on on Shabbos.
Why are people mixng up zilzu shabbos with chillul shabbos d’orysa?
Who? Where?
DaasYochid, about the sad story, yes. About other, unrelated things I was aware of previously, no.
So you assumed that he already knew?
Maybe if day school tuition was not so high it would be less.
Part of what’s sad is that people put their personal comforts ahead of their children’s Jewish education and future.
You’re right, though, and that’s where organizations such as Oorah come in.
Why are you suddenly sad about this now, after the shooting?
Does reading a sad story make you sad?
Why contact YWN if one has been a victim in a similar procedure/circumstance?
Who would you rather call, the FBI? They’re worthless!
SHOCK: FBI Was Tipped Off In January But Did NOTHING; FL Gov Calls On FBI Director To Resign
Also, it’s not true that there’s no such thing as an assault rifle. For example, the M4 is an assault rifle.
Seriously. Tzei u’limad.
Maybe they took his kidney
Multiple Jewish People Missing Kidneys After Undergoing Bariatric Surgery In Mexico
Who cares what they’re called? Seriously.
the benefits, both in terms of safety…
What safety benefits? If you don’t believe people die at the exact moment they were supposed to, regardless of whether a gun could have been a defense, then nothing anyone says will help you…
If you don’t want to ask your LOR, you are also being disingenuous.
In case you want to know what daas Torah says about gun control, I found this in a Hamodia article:
In the sefer Masores Moshe, Hagaon Harav Moshe Feinstein, zt”l, is said to have wondered at the fact that there occurred so many acts of murder. He asked with astonishment, “How is it that they allow people to buy pistols in America, something that probably no other country would permit? Most murders are done with them, not with knife-stabbing! It’s only the wickedness of some wealthy people that doesn’t allow the government to ban them.”
Well, you should.
wishing the murder of Jews
Wanting a political entity to be dismantled is not the same as wanting Jews dead. Once again, you conflate issues.
MOST Yidden abhor this group?
I’m not sure which group you’re referring to. If you’re referring to the Holocaust denier hugging NK, then I would say that most Yidden abhor their actions. If you’re referring to those who protest the State of Israel, then I would agree that many disagree with their methods (myself included).
You are the one who seems to be admitting to abhorring other Yidden – don’t drag others into it, and don’t blame me for turning the wheel on you, when you did it to yourself.