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I went to Kollel and subsequently to college and here’s my opinion. First of all, I’m not discussing a woman who wants to go to college for her own personal reasons. I’m solely addressing the question of, should a woman to go to college to get a better paying job so that her husband can stay in Kollel. To which my answer is, this derech is completely Krum. 1. A woman is the mainstay of the house, and should be the guardian of the Frumkeit and the Tzniyus. Sending her to college compromises this and should in no way be done for the “benefit” of the husband remaining in Kollel. If anyone goes to college, it should be the husband. This way, his wife can remain the mainstay of the house as she should be. If you will argue that there are temptations, I will answer you from my own experiences. The yeshiva guys who were in college when I attended were for the most part over 30. No shiksa is going for a 30 year old half-balding Jewish guy with a Boich. On the other hand, the frum women who attended were usually nicely dressed and made up, and wearing their shaitels. A lot more stuff can happen in the other direction, to put it mildly. That’s my opinion.
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I will allow you to reproduce the effects of my experience and I will not even charge you for it. And it would not be a chiddush anyway, as studies had already been conducted which demonstrated its efficacy.Always Ask Questions: Thank you, but I really have no interest in getting into that deeper discussion (although I personal bend is certainly against the Covid Vaccines in general). I was just responding to the original poster’s question about whether or not there was any evidence of effectiveness of Ivermectin, being that I had personal anecdotal evidence of its success to share with the Tzibbur. And I definitely also have reason to believe that the effectiveness of Ivermectin is being covered up by the vaccine industry as well as the mainstream media. That’s all. I’m not responsible for this discussion getting sidetracked.
Always Ask Questions: Sorry, but that’s a bunch of baloney. Joe Rogan has already called out CNN on the carpet in an interview with Dr. Sanjay Gupta where he asked him why CNN reported that he was taking horse de-wormer when in fact he took a prescribed dosage of a medication whose inventor won the Nobel Prize. The good doctor had no reply.
I posted a study earlier that showed success using Ivermectin with Acetylsalicylic acid. I also posted first-hand anecdotal evidence, i.e., that I personally took 2 doses of Ivermectin and had dramatic improvement in my altered and weakened sense of smell.
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My point was that when disclosing side effects of a medicine, they are not “what happens when you overdose”. The side effects are real effects of taking actual prescribed dosages. My point was that they were taking a relatively harmless medication and trying to hype its danger by listing items other than side effects as side effects in an effort to scare people away from taking this otherwise harmless remedy. Got it?
The Mahmud study–a CRT that explored ivermectin as an early treatment for 363 individuals–concluded that “patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 infection treated with ivermectin plus doxycycline recovered earlier, were less likely to progress to more serious disease, and were more likely to be COVID-19 negative on day 14. And Niaee’s research team found that ivermectin can help even hospitalized patients. That group conducted a “randomized, double-
blind, placebo-controlled, multicenter clinical trial” with 180 hospitalized patients diagnosed with COVID-19. They concluded that ivermectin “reduces the rate of mortality and duration of hospitalization in adult COVID-19 patients,” and the improvement of other clinical parameters showed that the ivermectin, with a wide margin of safety, had a high therapeutic effect on COVID-19.
There are more, but here’s one:
https://zenodo. org/record/4065802#.YVriHCX3bDs
Dangerous side effects of Ivermectin include nausea and vomiting IF YOU OVERDOSE. So basically, same as alcohol.
Yaakov Doe does not take penicillin because that is administered to horses, hence making it an animal medicine. For that matter he does not even drink water because that is a horse drink. He lives on Diet Coke. Just be careful, Yaakov, because it looks like all that caffeine has been getting to your head.
My personal experience with Ivermectin:
Since I caught Corona 1.5 years ago, my smell has not been the same. In the beginning, I could barely smell anything at all. As of a month ago, about 70 percent had returned, but there were also a number of things that I would smell incorrectly, meaning that I would register their smells as being different than before, and many things smelled bad, even though I enjoyed their smells pre-Corona. I got a doctor that I know to write me a prescription for Ivermectin, and after taking the two small doses that I received, my original sense of smell had returned. I could now smell things like Shabbos cooking in my home on Friday afternoon, paper (yes paper has a smell) and unfortunately the smell of other people’s body odor. You guys do the math.It’s amazing that you make Torah learning a priority in your life, and hats off to you for having learned Shas twice plus 1/3 of Yerushalmi, but I hope that you don’t think that Daf Yomi in any way compares to the learning that the yungerleit do when learning full-time. It does not. Not in the slightest. Again, with all due respect to you and your accomplishments.
To Catch Yourself:
Um, Dr. Nat learned in Kollel for 15 years. I think it’s time that you got a new troll sniff-o-meter. And I’m definitely not a bored guy.
I don’t know you personally, and I’m saying this as a general rule, but if you are at the point when you are thinking about leaving, then you already have a foot out the door and should be making plans to leave. That’s just the way it is from my (extensive) experience. Guys who are serious about staying in Kollel are focused and do not wonder if they should be leaving. IMHO.
Yeshivos can do whatever they want, even if you don’t agree with or don’t understand their reasons. You are free not to go to a particular yeshiva and rather to go to a yeshiva that allows you to wear what you want. Or you can open your own yeshiva. It is a free county both ways.
Chochma derecheretz:
You are a soney Torah velomdeha. It is not the Yeshiva guys rolling the cigars. It is the baalei batim donors.
YitzchokM,
I am happy that you are concerned only with raising your children. Maybe you can share with me, once homosexuality and transgenderism become completely integrated and accepted within American society thanks to the politicians that you voted for, how you plan on raising your children in this society. Because you will not be able to shelter them.
Being that your only consideration in chinuch seems to be how to get the government to pay for it, let me share with you a quote that I just heard in the name of a gadol of yesteryear (possibly Rav Leizer Yudel Finkel): The reason why frum families have children who do not follow in their ways is because they pay for their children’s chinuch with money that is unkosher. There is no better definition of this than your case of paying for your kids schools with vouchers obtained through the election of immoral politicians. Maybe you should think about that also.YitzchokM:
No, we do not. We stand up for morality and vote for the candidate who is against gay rights even if he is against vouchers. We show the upright Christians and everyone else in the county that religious Jews actually have beliefs that they stand up for and we do not perpetrated the horrible chillul Hashem that you have suggested which is to sell ourselves out to the highest bidder who will take our society into the next level of the morass.I knew that the letter was written generally. I also knew that it was written to Dr. Twersky. Nevertheless, there are a number of factors that might not apply today and to a specific person.
Thank you for at least keeping this discussion on point. I would say that, in all deference to the Steipler ZTVK”L, it would be necessary for each person to get advice from a spiritual leader with whom he acquainted personally and who is alive today, and not use a letter that was written to another person thirty-some-odd years ago. Likewise, we all know what the Rambam says about a person working three hours a day and learning for eight. But how many people can actually live up to this and still support their family?
To be perfectly honest, it is definitely a challenge to go through medical school. But many other career choices also fraught with challenges. I would put medical school in the category of Derech Aruka Shehi Ketzarah. Because once you get through it, it only gets easier throughout your life. This is something that you cannot say about a number of other professions.DrYidd:
Careful!!!
Watch your language!!!Mentch1
Of course people should not call Hatzolah for stupid things. I’m not arguing with that. People need to be educated. I’m just talking about things which are truly questionable. I would assume anyway, that they would have non-Jewish dispatchers who would understand not to call a Jewish paramedic for a knocked-out tooth.mentch1
Obviously everyone should be well-versed in halacha. But what if someone is not. Or he is just not sure. And his kid has a safek pikuach nefesh or sakanas eiver. And his next-door posek is away for Shabbos. Would you tell him not to pick up the phone and call Hatzolah? If so, I’m sure many choshuva rabbonim would disagree with you.The main problem is the people who spent the best years of their lives in kollel thinking that they were going to become the Rashkebehag, and then didn’t get the shteller they imagined they would get, and are now inwardly bitter people sitting in their basement in their undershirt (take that either literally or figuratively) half the day writing deios to the coffee room. They think that just like the Rambam and the Vilna Gaon understood everything about the secular world from Torah, they do too, and therefore they think that they know everything about everything, from physics to medicine to law, when they really know very little about anything.
If Rav Chaim Brisker Zt”l would have been around when someone called with safek pikuach nefashos, he would have run himself to be mechallel Shabbos. But you know more than he did. Maybe also think that if you scare people off from making the “stupid” phone calls, you will cause someone with a real issue not to call and get a life saved. Please go back and learn the halachos.
Well I would definitely advise all frum doctors not to be mechallel Shabbos on PBA should the need ever arise. Lo Ro’uy Ze Lechallel Olov Es Hashabbos. We’ll find a nice goyishe doctor if one is around.
But PBA is a doctor. He also knows all the Jewish doctors. All from his basement in his undershirt. So who are you to argue with him?
Last time I checked, there were 613 Mitzvos.
Point was that, similar to a number of other professions, difficult, but not impossible. Depends on level of commitment. And, let’s not forget, as with everything else, including learning in kollel, you need Yiras Shomayim. Or nothing will work.
Good point. . .I guess I got caught up with the silly comment. . .
This issue has been dealt with extensively in Halacha. And even if you hold it’s an issue, there are ways around it, admittedly with difficulty. Maybe we should also speak about the spiritual pitfalls of other professions, such as working in mixed offices and the like. Or of professions where monetary integrity is constantly being tested. Reminds me of the story of the shochet who came to R Yisroel Salanter and told him he wanted to be a shopkeeper. Why is everyone picking on doctors all of a sudden?
It’s not lashon hara. It’s called shlechtkeit. Disparaging a noble group of people who don’t have the luxury of poofing away half of Shabbos like PBA because yidden in need of urgent medical help are constantly knocking on their doors. Kefiyas tova and kinah also. And I am not a doctor, BTW, despite my mom de plume.
On second thought, you wouldn’t even need a doctor. Just a vet.
Boy, I sure hope you never need a doctor.
From the amount of time you spend on this website, I would have to say that spending time in the YWN coffee room is more fun than figuring out a Tosfos. At lease for you.
ColumbiaGrad please reread my comments. I was not extolling the virtues of the BTL. I was pointing out that a BTL, in certain situations, can be useful. Obviously not in every situation and not for every profession. But you can get into law school with it, as many have done. My main point was that a person should know why he is obtaining a Bachelor’s degree, and for what purpose. A standard Bachelor’s degree from a respectable secular institution is also worthless if someone wants to pursue a career as an engineer.
And a BTL is not useless if you use it for what it can be used for, like getting into law school. People who post should really know what they are talking about before they post.
I have a Bachelor’s degree. You don’t just “get” a Bachelor’s degdegree, especially if you have to pay for it. You decide first what you want to do for a living and then if you need it, you get a Bachelor’s degree. You need some guidance.
Let’s pose the question like this:
You love your teenage son. He wants something that he thinks is good for him, but you, with your wisdom acquired through twenty more years of life experience feel that this is the worst thing for him. Do you get it for him, or do you say, “I know what is best for you and I love you, and I believe that this is the worst thing for you, therefore I will not get it for you.” And if your answer is the latter, is a friend, whom one is required to love, different from a son? We are going with the assumption that we are dealing with someone who truly knows what is best for his friend, and not some phony friend whose judgment is clouded by negiyos.