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adams -“Health, if there will be more people using Cannabis after legalization, since most people can get it now, many would be switching from alchohol, so the accidents would drop.”
While you make other points about Pot that I do Not agree with -they are logical and you’re entitled to your opinion. But this point above is Not logical.
“Since the cause of accidents are many other things, it’s unlikely for a huge increase. So far, 2 states which have very liberal Medical Marijuana laws have overall decreases in accidents.”
Medical Pot is Not the green light you think it is for the general public. Based on reports from Countries who legalize illict drugs on a widespread basis -they have Not found alcohol use to have gone down, only drug use to increase. So therefor Pot will even more contribute to Crashes on top of the other causes.
“Besides which, we tolerate collateral damage in many other things, such as the alchohol, the gambling, tobbacco. How many rapes and murders are acholhol fueled? why not put efforts to reduce that harm?”
This is irrevelant. Outlawing alcohol will Not stop these crimes. You’d only have a point if you were inebriated while committing crimes and this gave you an excuse. It’s all about personal responsibility. The way to do this is to streghthen the existing Criminal Justice system (which btw is a joke). The libs don’t have a clue about personal responsibilty and that’s why they think outlawing guns will stop crimes. It won’t happen and neither will outlawing alcohol decrease crashes and/or crimes!
HealthParticipantAvi K -I happen to agree with you, but there could be a Machlokes acc. to Halacha. But what I don’t understand is the liberal POV, not acc. to Halacha, how they can be against Capital punishment in every single case? After reading about the case in Cleveland about the 10 year old kidnappings and Not wanting these guys killed is something I can’t possibly understand. Maybe these Libs should look in the mirror and see if they actually see a Human?!?!
HealthParticipantE-O-M -“I am sensing some blantant outward animosity and labeling so ill stop making points.”
Really -is that how I’m coming across? Perhaps it’s because I’m against people taking drugs for no good reason(s)?
“Ok last point- your opinion of drinking and driving versus smoking and driving is just that- a matter of opinion, based completely on how you feel instead of being based on any fact whatsoever. I, for example am of the exact opposite opinion of yours regarding this matter.”
It is Not just my opinion -there are statistics behind my opinion. And here is one:
“Driving after smoking even a small amount of marijuana almost doubles the risk of a fatal highway accident, according to an extensive study of 10,748 drivers involved in fatal crashes between 2001 and 2003.
A study by the French National Institute for Transport and Safety Research published in the British Medical Journal found that seven percent of drivers involved in a fatal highway crash used marijuana.
The researchers estimated that at least 2.5 percent of the 10,748 fatal crashes studied were directly caused by the use of marijuana.”
While alcohol at a certain % level is involved in more crashes than Pot this is because alcohol is legal -so people drink and drive, even above the limit. Pot is illegal and still there are accidents because of it -so you can just imagine the amt. of accidents there would be if they legalize Weed!
May 7, 2013 3:18 am at 3:18 am in reply to: MUST READ and PASS ALONG�Spina Bifida, Pregnancy and Nutrition #951018HealthParticipantperspective -“If what you wrote above is accurate, what was her entire point of #2 (diagnosis and testing)? If the ultrasound is routinely done and conditions like this are diagnosed in a timely manner, why on earth is her point #2 being mentioned?”
I already mentioned because there are some Rabbonim that Matter abortions in such a case -so you need to know about this test, not just the US.
“it’s pretty safe to assume that she’s basically aiming this to people who follow her shitta. If so, a disclaimer should have been included.”
I don’t think so -this is your assumption. The OP is just making people aware of a test that is not routine, which is usually used for abortions, but it can be used to diagnose even if you’re not planning on having an abortion.
May 6, 2013 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm in reply to: MUST READ and PASS ALONG�Spina Bifida, Pregnancy and Nutrition #951015HealthParticipantperspective -“Health – you keep on missing the point.”
Actually you are!
“The ultrasound is not the ALTERNATIVE OPTION, it is the REGULAR OPTION. The OP was recommending this test as the FIRST choice in testing. The AFP test is the alternative in most cases.
If you reread my first response, the criticism was not in any reference to the AFP test or any other info posted. The criticism was entirely directed to the OMITTING of information.”
And since US is routine the OP didn’t have to mention it. So the OP had every right to Omit Routine tests, even if the pt. never heard of ultrasounds, the Doc would order it anyway.
HealthParticipantE-O-M -“Health- I wasn’t going to respond to your post, I don’t like when the banter gets petty.”
The only thing that is petty is promoting Pot on a Frum website.
“1- do I walk or take taxi/buses everywhere? Hmm… Do you?”
I’m not stoned all the time.
“If I’m too inebriated to drive, I simply don’t.”
And this obviously means when you smoked a joint on a given day -you won’t drive on that day. Somehow I don’t find this believable.
“I’m responsible enough to do that, without having to reference a ratio chart of body weight to ounces of 80 proof liquor consumed.
2- further to the point above, being able to pass a breathalyzer does NOT mean you can operate a vehicle safely.”
Yes, it doesn’t always mean you can drive safely, but for most people you can. OTOH, there is No amount of Pot that can be in your system and you can drive safely. So this argument that you Know when you can drive safely with the amt. of Pot in your system is a Straw Man argument!
HealthParticipantDaasYochid -“If you buy on the internet and aren’t charged sales tax (which happens if the seller doesn’t have a presence in your state), you must, by law, send in the tax with your income tax. When you pay sales tax after the sale, it’s called usage tax. Almost nobody does (but they might start cracking down).”
Like I posted before, I have never bought anything over the Internet and was Not charged sales tax as part of the transaction.
HealthParticipantCH -“They were not trying to enforce a federal law.”
So acc. to you they were breaking the law because they had no jurisdiction -so why aren’t they being prosecuted for their crimes?
Give up while you’re behind!
May 6, 2013 2:47 am at 2:47 am in reply to: MUST READ and PASS ALONG�Spina Bifida, Pregnancy and Nutrition #951013HealthParticipantperspective -“I wasn’t recommending not including the AFP test, I was suggesting that ALL info needs to be included.”
This isn’t what I criticized you about – this is:
“By not including this information, it is being inferred that the only way to diagnose this condition is through the blood test and that treatment can only begin once the baby is born (will less optimal results).”
I doubt the OP meant this or inferred this.
You obviously missed this line I wrote to you:
“If you would have posted your post as an alternative option to the OP -then that would have been fine, but Not as a criticism!”
HealthParticipantDY -“I’m curious, Health, do you pay usage tax on out of state online purchases?”
I don’t know what that is, but I just saw an article on Yahoo about Internet sales tax. This I always was charged and paid.
HealthParticipantE-O-M -“Health– much like alcohol, pot should be enjoyed RESPONSIBLY. And much like alcohol, it’s about variables such as tolerance, weight, and most importantly- limits/boundaries.”
You missed my point about that No amount of Pot lets you operate machinery or a car safely. Do you only walk or take taxis/buses everywhere?
HealthParticipantE-O-M -“My question is:
Why is it ok to have a bottle of schnapps on the table at shul at 9am, but in many of your opinions- a “rebellion against the kingdom of heaven” young observant men to smoke a joint (responsibly) for, recreational or de-stressing purposes?”
Simply because there is no amount of pot that won’t affect your driving capability and most people go out and drive. So making a L’chaim can in No way be compared to smoking Pot. It’s also Oiver Dina D’malchusa Dina by smoking Pot.
Here is the statistics about alcohol and driving.
HealthParticipant123jew -“I was wondering why so many teenagers in Lakewood are off the derech.”
I heard that a lot of them come from elsewhere, but aren’t originally from Lakewood. Why they come here? Beats me.
HealthParticipantcharliehall -“You proved nothing of the kind.”
I most certainly did. The NYPD went spying on Muslims in New Brunswick, NJ and this had nothing to do with a federal agency.
They did this alone, not as part of the JTTF!
May 5, 2013 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm in reply to: MUST READ and PASS ALONG�Spina Bifida, Pregnancy and Nutrition #951009HealthParticipantperspective -“First of all, the criticism is warranted because an ultrasound is part of routine care.”
Yes it is, because at that time you can’t abort the fetus.
“Most spina bifida cases are diagnosed through that manner. Why are they suggesting that an AFP test be done as the first approach?”
Because you can still abort the fetus acc. to some Poskim at that time. Read C. Hall’s post. Your Shitta in abortion doesn’t give you the right to criticize others that hold differently.
“Furthermore, surgery in utero is becoming increasingly more popular in this field and in many other areas as well. Insurance companies are beginning to approve it more frequently as well,”
Well this possibilty exists for next year, but the more likely occurance is that the insurance companies will follow Obamacare and the liklihood of this being covered routinely is very slight. If you would have posted your post as an alternative option to the OP -then that would have been fine, but Not as a criticism!
HealthParticipantcharliehall -You wrote something after each point, but it didn’t address the point.
“The federal government has no power to make it illegal for a state or local government to pass a law. In most cases any federal law, however, would pre-empt any state or local laws, and that is the case here.”
My Point Was -the State should Not be able to pass Laws than in essence encourage people to use Pot, which is against Federal law. And this is fact that this is what happens.
“But the state or local government agencies need permission to do this; they are not permitted to be freelancers.”
You obviously Didn’t read my post -I said the NYPD freelances with their Anti-terrorist squad. Did you know they were spying in NJ?
“Local police departments can only enforce federal law with permission of the appropriate federal law enforcement agency.”
I just proved to you that they don’t in the above case.
“Not all opiates are legal; for example,”
So why are you allowed to grow Pot plants? Why does the Feds ignore this? Do you think if I grew an Opium plant -the Feds would ignore me?
HealthParticipantTorah613Torah -“Ender and Health – nearly every girl I know (and I know a lot of girls) do and will turn down a guy who currently smokes. Nothing to do with the shidduch crisis.”
Seems to me that your friends are Not all the girls in the world.
As far as I know all the smokers in Yeshiva get married and usually in their Twenties. All the guys left behind in the thirties and forties and older, even though I don’t know all of them, but most of them are Not smokers. And since 95% of Frum single males are in Lakewood, I’d assume my statistics are more accurate than yours.
“The very few girls willing to date smokers are usually from families where the father/brother smokes, or have other issues that they feel the need to compromise on this.”
I can’t prove that you’re wrong, but it sure can’t be just “very few girls” because all the smokers are getting married, at least almost all.
HealthParticipantcharliehall -“YOU don’t understand reality in the US. States can repeal their own laws prohibiting marijuana use,”
Again you missed my point. They just didn’t repeal the whole law. Legalizing “medical” pot only, instead of all pot encourages people to break the law. This should be illegal, acc. to federal law, to make such a law -if it isn’t already.
“State and local government law enforcement officials have no power to enforce federal law unless they make a specific agreement with the federal government for the specific federal law.””They were simply following the law in that state.”
Funny, the NYPD has a terrrorist task force. As far as I know there is No city law outlawing terrorism – Nor did any federal agency give them permission to investigate possible terrorists on their own, only to be part of the JTTF. How could they waste taxpayers money on enforcing federal law?
Enough with your double talk. Police Depts. can enforce Federal law if they choose to, but by Pot they seem unwilling to. This is corruption at the Local and State levels of Gov., whether you admit it or Not!
“Many opiates are legal prescription drugs.”
Really? So with a Script -I can plant and grow Opium and I won’t be breaking any law like I can with Pot? I don’t think so!
HealthParticipantTorah613Torah -“What an original idea. No frum girl has ever refused a shidduch with a boy who smoked.”
He didn’t mean a few -they ALL should.
Ender -“RebDoniel- with the current state of affairs in the “shidduch market” i can’t imagine girls turning down guys en mass like that.”
This is one of the few times I agree with Doniel -they should all reject such Shidduchim. It seems that there are many girls rejecting Shidduchim if the guy is on the Net and/or watching TV or movies, but there aren’t that many rejecting smokers.
Perhaps it’s because noone realizes the spiritual dangers of smoking, but I just heard that they are having another Asifa in Lakewood against the Net next week because it’s the Yohrzeit of Citifield.
May 3, 2013 3:30 am at 3:30 am in reply to: MUST READ and PASS ALONG�Spina Bifida, Pregnancy and Nutrition #951004HealthParticipantperspective -“If its truly awareness that you’re trying to raise, then a good portion of the letter should have been devoted to the sonogram and surgery in utero.”
I don’t know if you are in the medical field or not, but the OP is right on target. While US is standard during pregnancies – In- utero surgery is not. I don’t even know that it is rountinely offered even in the few hospitals that do it. And I’m sure as Obamacare (ie. -socialized medicine) comes into play -they might not do this at all in the future. It’s nice to read about technological advances in Medicine, but the way this country is going they will be doing less of these things, not more, if at all. Your criticism is totally unwarranted and in the reality of medicine in our day and age totally off base.
The part about taking a vitamin is right on target -it’s foolish for any Frum married woman looking to have kids not to take it.
The part about genetic testing is Not so Pashut and e/o should discuss this with their LOR. US in later trimesters can usually determine abnormalities and by many it’s routine, even though there are some Rabbonim that are possibly against this also.
HealthParticipantCH -“And there is absolutely nothing that requires a state to make something illegal under state law just because the federal government has made it illegal. The federal government is still able to prosecute all the potheads in America,”
Obviously you know nothing about the reality in the US. People are flaunting Pot use and claiming medical necessity. I didn’t write the States should have to pass the same law -I wrote they shouldn’t be allowed to pass laws legalizing it -if this isn’t outlawed already by Federal law. They are doing this more and more. Also, the cops aren’t enforcing federal Pot laws -only following State laws. Since when does law enforcement only involve themselves with State laws? There was this show on “Cops” recently where the Cops helped some people get back their Pot plants because Pot is legal for “medical” use. This is what this country has come to, whether you’re in denial or Not! It makes more sense for them to allow people to grow and smoke opium – because this plant has more medical necessity than Weed!
HealthParticipantPBA -“and the FDA has determined that smoking weed has no medical benefit.”
And it’s high time we started prosecuting and/or punishing the States that allow smoking weed. Not only should we prosecute the users, but the Gov. for passing a law against Federal law and Not enforcing Federal law.
HealthParticipantWho cares? I don’t even care if e/o here knew my real name, as long as e/o posted their real name. Why does e/o need to hide behind a SN?
April 30, 2013 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950826HealthParticipantGAW -“That being said, I assume you get get pizza in Brooklyn from a store that is not on Ave. J or M?”
S/o once told me to get pizza on Motzay Shabbos from Pizza Time on Ave. J because it was great pizza. Biggest mistake I made -I had to stand in line for 30 minutes and all the time I had to watch all the mingling going on, just to take it out. But I’ve gone many times to JII on M and 15th and there was hardly a line and I’ve even eaten in a few times and never saw any real Pritzus – not more than any other pizza shop anywhere else during the week.
HealthParticipantAvi K -“Health, what about Chareidim who don’t sit and learn but are just registered?”
It depends on whether they hold going to the army is Mutter. If they hold it’s Mutter -then let them share the burden.
If they hold going is Ossur -then read my last post above to OOmis.
HealthParticipantROB -“to health-apukerma- joseph and all the others who cast aspersion on eretz yisroel:”
This is a total falsehood. My problem is with the State of Israel (aka. The Medina). I have nothing against Eretz Yisroel.
HealthParticipantOOmis -“But when E”Y is under fire the entire country needs to be prepared to defend itself. Somr feel the best way is by learning, but in practical terms, if that were the sole way, Hashem would not have sent Am Yisrael into battle at ANY time.”
Look once upon a time Klal Yisroel had Yichidim OTD, nowadays we have millions of Chilonim. At the very least the Chilonim can be doing army service while the Charedim sit and learn. I feel really bad for these Chilonim if they continue on their path that they are on. They think they are going to control the Charedim -the only thing that’s gonna happen is they are going to invoke the wrath of Hashem.
HealthParticipantAvi K -“Health, so why was the Aguda atzeret cancelled for security reasons?”
Sorry, not part of the Aguda. Call up the Moetzes and ask them.
“For that matter, why does Rambam say that all go out to a milchemet mitzva?”
This ain’t a Michemess Mitzva or even Rishous. Stop confusing the Rambams with what goes on nowadays.
April 29, 2013 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950809HealthParticipantTLIK -“I am convinced that some of the voices here that are taking seemingly opposite approaches are all missing the point.”
I didn’t read every last word of your post, but I agree with the gist of it. Maybe print out your post and mail it to the Moetzes with your real name. They won’t all of a sudden change, but maybe it might make a Roishem and maybe there will be change in the future.
HealthParticipantOOmis – Learning Torah is the best protection and the Israeli Gov. is now abandoning their protection. They are throwing the Jews there to the wolves by trying to force people out of Yeshivos.
HealthParticipantPBA – You must have a Minyan in your house and you speak during the Kiddush.
HealthParticipantROB -“No one called the people they spoke to “kofrim””
That’s because they weren’t. The early Zionists were.
Maybe nowadays most are Tinuk Shneshbas.
“As far as your second point- the sad part is that you just parrot what you hear without knowing if it is true….sad really…”
I’m just like you – I’m brainwashed about my beliefs.
Anyways, I wasn’t alive before ’48 – so I have to be Someiach on what others say. One thing I can tell you the attack on the Status Quo by the Israeli Gov. nowadays, even if you can call these politicians Tinuk Sneshbas, but the Rishous that they are doing is B’maizid. They know better – e/o in Israel knows about the “Status Quo”!
HealthParticipantROB -“So, because the original medinah agreed to the points that the religious jews wanted (shabbos, kashrut..etc), you accuse the medinah of being kofrim because…- “we knew that they were kofrim” ! can you please explain to me how this logic works?”
Simple. G-d fearing people don’t need the Frum orgs. to force them to have some Torah in their Medina -they would do it on their own. And the reason why they wouldn’t is because they are Kofrim.
“As far as the matter of the gerrer chassidim,vishnitzer chassidim,etc…can you please supply me with serious underlying quotations that they did not want a medinah? R’Itche Meir levin signed the Declaration of Independence, for goodness sake!”
This is what e/o in the Yeshivish Velt says. I’m sure you can find quotes of the Gedolim saying this, but I’m not going to spend my time researching it just to prove you wrong!
HealthParticipantNaftush -“I think several commenters on this thread have carried their displeasure with Israel’s old-new draft induction into forbidden territory. Their comments resemble those of Gentile antisemites on Huffpost and Jewish antisemites on Mondoweiss. They speak of an imaginary demonic Israel-of-the-mind that conspires against Hashem and His people and is at fault for everything done to it and much else. Please back down and back off, fast.”
Actually the fact that the Medina is Now reneging on their basic agreements in the Status Quo, which is a mere pittance of observance of the Torah, shows their hatred to Torah and the Charedim who want to keep the Torah. They are the true Antisemites because a Jew is s/o who keeps the Torah and an Antisemite is s/o who hates such real Jews.
HealthParticipantROB -“So, I would say that having one of the most important gerrer chassidim being intimately involved with the medinah kind of gives the medinah a “hechsher”. Don’t you think so?”
They only agreed to the Medina because of the “Status Quo” which I just quoted. They didn’t want a Medina in the first place, but they agreed B’dieved. I just didn’t know the name of the Agudah’s leader. So the Medina is Treif and nowadays even those who agreed B’dieved to it – would say even B’dieved it’s Treif. Why? Because they are breaking the Status Quo and forcing the draft on the Charedim.
HealthParticipantROB -“Lastly, where do find that the medinah is based on kefirah? Can you find one allusion to that? The Declaration of Independence ends with the quotation “with the belief in the Rock of Israel”.
Please show me where the medinah is based on kefirah.”
The Status Quo from Wikipedia:
“It was considered that the letter would satisfy the concerns of religious parties. The letter stipulated policy principles in four main areas that were considered fundamental to Orthodox Judaism:
Shabbat – shabbat shall be the day of rest in Israel.
Kashrut – kashrut shall be observed in the kitchens of official institutions of the Jewish state; but privately each individual may choose to observe or not, or how, and to what extent.
Family laws (marriage etc.) – preserving a single judicial system for the purpose of marriage and divorce; with marriage and divorce being conducted in rabbinical courts for Jews and by the relevant religious authorities for people of other faiths, as was already the case before; there shall be no civil marriage.”
Now the question is what were the Frum parties/groups afraid of? Simple they knew the State was being started by a bunch of Kofrim -so if they didn’t guarantee some basic Halacha in the New Medina -there would be absolutely Nothing. The Medina would have nothing to do with real Judaism!
HealthParticipantROB -“And to “health” again: You have to support your contention that Rav Shach z’l was ‘against the medinah”. What is the evidence?”
This was posted a year ago about the Flag there:
“And, aggreing that there is “hakoros hatov’ to the medinah is a stunning reversal from your positions that the medinah is all evil.”
That’s Not what I hold -it’s what some say R’ Kahanemin held to put up the flag -others say he was forced to because of money.
HealthParticipantICOT – “What are your thoughts about executing Tsarnaev?”
Who cares? All I know there are a lot of people sitting in Jail who killed a lot more than this guy did!
HealthParticipantrkefrat -“In a matter of short order the frum will constitute a majority of this country in which time it will be possible to have a government that runs khalachah but only if all of the frum would actually vote.”
This is one of the reasons that the Gov. is doing a Charedi draft – to Shmad them in order to keep their pop. low.
Even if they ever become a Majority -it won’t make a difference in the make up of the Gov. -they will just deny Charedim their civil rights.
Ever hear of Apartheid?!?!?
HealthParticipantDY – When I said “didn’t read” – it’s akin to “didn’t comprehend”.
April 28, 2013 4:30 am at 4:30 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950788HealthParticipantToi – TY
April 26, 2013 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950775HealthParticipantRF -“Halacha is Halacha, you’re right. But in this case it seems like those that are noheg like rav health, and the mekoros you never quoted often times end up doing very poorly in life, per the study.”
This is why I question whether you talk to the opposite gender or Not because of your double talk. First you say “Halacha is Halacha” and then you say “those that are noheg like rav health”. I’m Not the one Assuring Stam talking to opposite genders -the Torah is. Are you ignorant in this Din? The Gemorra says “Afeilu Sicha Kalla Bein Ish Lishto Asid Leetain Es Hadin” -for sure s/o who is Not your wife! This Din is also brought down in S’A and Poskim.
April 26, 2013 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950774HealthParticipantOOmis -“I kind of think this remark was uncalled-for, Health. Don’t call someone’s behavior into question, when you don’t know the person, and sometimes even when you DO.”
You obviously Didn’t read my post! I didn’t call his behavior anything -I said “You sound like”! Whether he actually Shmuzes with girls -I have no idea.
April 26, 2013 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950773HealthParticipantWanderingTeen -“These things drive me other the freaking edge!!!!! What on earth is wrong with teenagers having some innocent fun????”
If going to a pizza shop and shmuzing with the same gender is an outlet you need -then fine, but what most do is Shmuz with opposite genders and this is against Halacha, whether you know this or not. This ain’t No Chumra.
HealthParticipantROB -“Last time I looked, R”yitzhcok Meir Levin z’l-the gerrer rebbe’s brother-in’law- signed the Declaration of Independence”
I never heard of him. Was he a leader in Ger? And even so I didn’t mean every single last one. For the same price you could have said R’ Kook – he definitely was Charedi.
“Last time I looked, they stilllfly the Israeli flag at Ponevezer yeshiva…”
Why do you zionists keep mentioning the flag? R’ Schach zt’l was very much against the Medina -the flag was only because of Hakoras Hatov.
“as far as your question about ‘a medinah based on kefirah’- not true,”
I’m just curious – why do you say Not true? Are you now going to tell me communism also wasn’t based on Kefira?
HealthParticipantsimcha613 -“Some yes and some no. From the way I understand there are two Charedi positions about the existence of the medinah. Some would theoretically support a medinah, but are against the current one with its secular values. While others are against the concept of a medinah before Mashiach. They also view the army differently too. The first group may not see something inherently treif with the army, their position is that it doesn’t override Talmud Torah, and that the army needs to meet all the religious needs of its soliders. The other camp’s position is that one is not allowed to aid the medinah at all, as it is a ma’aseh Satan.”
Noone from the Frum community supported a Medina. This is the Mizrachi Shita. The question was what to do after it was created.
“Some would theoretically support a medinah, but are against the current one with its secular values.”
This statement which you ascribe to the Charedim is the Mizrachi Shitta, but this is what bothers me. The MO believe in all the Rabbonim that say we should have a Medina before Moshiach, but they believe in a Medina acc. to Halacha -so why do they support a Medina that is based on Kefira and all they believe in is secular values?????
April 26, 2013 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950765HealthParticipantRF -“I don’t understand how you think the complexities of the male-female dynamic relationship can be worked out in a few dates, overcoming a lifetime of stigma and no prior experience. Imagine if you threw me onto a baseball field and put me at shortstop, without me knowing the rules of the game, how to play, good strategy, or tips to get better. It sould be a disaster. This is what happens to guys who have never talked to girls. They’ve never played the game, don’t know the rules, and aren’t sure how to start.”
This is a nice scenario based on your logic, but not based on reality. The fact is all of us Yeshiva guys did do it and continue to do it. I don’t have to prove to you it’s logical, maybe it isn’t, but this is still the fact, despite your denial.
Maybe Hashem gives Siyata D’shemaya to those who keep his Torah.
You sound like s/o who feels Guilty about their religious behavior and is looking for every excuse in the book why you don’t have to keep Halacha!
April 26, 2013 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950764HealthParticipantrationalfrummie -“There was a study that came out 4 years ago from London university that baed on a sample of 17,000 people, men that went to same-gender schools are more likely to be divorced or never married by their 40s. Depression was also fairly hiigher than for co–Ed schools,”
I’m not even going to look up the study to refute it. Ya know why? Because even if the study is accurate -it’s irrevelant because we still have to follow Halacha no matter what!
Stop looking for excuses to be Mattir Issurim!
“I’m not an advocate for mixed schools at all, but kal vachomer the situation would be even worse for guys if they NEVER talk to girls even outside of school in normalized settings.”
Like I just said, even if it would be worse -we still can’t be Mattir Issurim.
“If you make conversing taboo, it will lead to either bored experimentation that’s definitely not halachic or awkwardness.”
I didn’t make conversing taboo -the Torah Assured it, no matter what the outcome. And your assumption that it will lead to “bored experimentation that’s definitely not halachic”, is simply ridiculous.
HealthParticipantSyag Lchochma -“**snicker**”
You should at least strive to be on “frumnotyeshivish”‘s level.
At least He isn’t Oiver “lo sisneh es achicha bilvovecha”.
It’s better to be honest than sarcastic like your post.
HealthParticipantDY -“So we should throw out the tafel?”
Yes, that is exactly my point. You obviously Didn’t read my posts like you claim because that was my very first post.
“Should we allow eating on a taanis because people focus on the tafel instead of the ikkar?”
Fasting doesn’t cause more Sinas Chinum like what happens during Sefira.
“Or, are we so perfect otherwise, that in all areas besides sefirah, we always focus on the ikkar?”
Never said that, but we should always try to focus on the Ikkar.
“Really, the irony of you lecturing about bein adam l’chaveiro while speaking in a condescending, haughty tone, is astounding.”
My OP wasn’t condescending. If you came afterwards and started criticizing -then that’s what kind of response you got.
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