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jewishfeminist02,
“Conventional science and medicine has rejected”
ludicrous
According to you ,anyone born with a predilection to murder or ,say,shoplifting will be unable to control themselves ??
Should we give them a free pass??
There was a article a short while ago that anecdotal evidence often give a better bigger picture than empirical evidence
Any who doubt Conversion therapy works ought to contact JONAH, Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing
We read this past sunday Yeshaya 56:2-5
which applies to anyone who for whatever sad reason is an
ONESS
and has little/zero attraction for the opposite gender ,AND Controls his/her urges
Health,
Absolutely Correct
It depends on who is doing it
The gov’t will allow parents to give gender hormones to children who they claim act like the opposite gender ,but conversion therapy [which has worked hundreds of times in different forms -ask any old mashgiach) is Banned
Only where there is no way out there is utter devotion; and devotion is the touchstone of every truth in the world
[translated]
Nachman bialik
Great men are they who see that spiritual is stronger than any material force – that thoughts rule
Ralph Waldo Emerson
One of the problems with over reliance on stats is that they force people to crunch themselves into demographic or the other
Most of the traditional,a large % of the pop., float between all of the them, but answer what they presume the pollster wants
Just check recent pre-election polls
Sam2,
are you positive?
It’s of interest, that the mizrachi/old dati would legitimatize the sovereignty of the old secularist state, ,by saying there were reshoyim[men] who reigned during Bayis Rishon
Well, they turn and support dati women in Knesset , because it’s better to have women who espouses our religious ,then secularist men
(they’re probably right,but we digress)
As an aside ,it’s of interest, that t the mizrachi/old dati would legitimatize the sovereignty of the old secularist state, ,by saying there were reshoyim[men] who reigned during the Bayis Rishon .
Well, they turn and support dati women in Knesset , because it’s better to have women who espouses our religious then secularist men
But we are digressing
Chazal derive from D’vorim 17:15 that only Jewish born males are permitted to ascend to positions of authority and power.
1)Salome Alexandra( the sister of Shimon ben Shetach) was the best ruler that we had for hundreds of years both prior and ever since
Chazal spoke of her era with nostalgia as the greatest time of peace, prosperity and abundance since the days of King Solomon
Do you imagine they would’ve considered that a justification allowing a daughter to succeed her??
Does that mean they define her reign as queen of any less than exigency; sha’as h’dchak??
2)It seems they (and Rabbi Aviner )consider populist prorportional party democracy anyway to be really,really less than a legitimate source of
authority and power
Moderators ,would you prefer a shorter version?
Yes
To keep in mind..
So we all agree for this we ought to be imposing our beliefs on goyim??
Good
apushatayid,
It’s a tradition,
and tradition IS important
From Dr. Susan Goodier, a SUNY Oneonta history lecturer, in her 2013 book
Susan Marshall in Splintered Sisterhood: Gender and Class in the Campaign Against Woman Suffrage,brings
In the years after the 19th Amendment,feminist suffragists saw their predictions fall flat.
Miami,et al,
Does it need to be zero sum?
Women [ with men] could vote for the House, while
men vote for the Senate
It would be
‘Progress’ [for those who need to have]
over the late 19th century,
when men voted for the House, and
Legislatures voted for the Senate
Miami, what in the world is you proof from esther?!That she was an empress??
How about Solomon’s wives??
Miami,
R’Uziel was out of the respected consensus on this ,as he was on other things
Very few were pro suffrage, and even those who tolerated it, ’twas more out of Bsha’as ha’dchak
R’Uziel was out of the respected consensus on this ,as he was on other things
zahavasdad,
the term chozer b’tshuva over there ,is more vague than BT in North america
Is anyone ever beyond risk?
For the militantly secular,they are unconcerned about individuals becoming religious as long as they still in control behind the scenes
It’s like in the game of Othello.they’ll let you can turn many to white ,but as long they get the last one black ( or vice versa) ,they’ll be able to flip them all back
akuperma,
Chazal tell us (Shabbos 54b) that those who could be “mocheh” (lit.
protest) against wrongdoers of their city/country are held accountable for
their aveiros;…
while it is one thing to become religious
on a private,personal level.it is often enough contain an element of escapism
It’s a much more demanding and greater thing to operate on a Klal or global level
Public chillul shabbos is more important than,say, your mussaf
The oft stated claim first one needs to work on themselves is often out of context and a sort of cop out
Live for something rather than die for nothing
George Patton
I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers.
William Tecumseh Sherman
Let’s keep “shtil” and avoid ayin hara
“There is no question that Avi Weis is now a ???? ?????? and no longer deserves the title Rabbi.”
There is no question that you are now a baal motzi shem ra.
charliehall,
Would you please explain?
..without indicting somehow yourself?
The first immediate effect of women getting the Suffrage was anti immgrant nativism and isolationism
Women were disproportionately against the league of nations and pro “Keep America out” european intanglement
Britain and the Dominions,had a similar story
( But in their first election which women over 30 could vote ,1918,the ‘khaki’ election they overwhelmingly voted the other way, for reparations and revenge which caused the rise of hitler)
The founding fathers were for a Republic.
They were against democracy
Today ,they would ruefully remark they were prescient indeed.
ironic,some of the radicals such as Jefferson did believe in a greater element of democracy . but he was more strongly opposed than many of the others to any inclusion of women, blacks, and .. big cities which he termed “ulcers on the body politic”.
Virtually all leading poskim of the 1920s said it was mistaken
The Queen is most anxious to enlist everyone in checking this mad, wicked folly of ‘Women’s Rights’. It is a subject which makes the Queen so furious that she cannot contain herself.
Queen Victoria
N.Y. Executive Law, Article 15
Human Rights Law should add possibilities for discrimination “for self definitions as of yet to be invented”
“an exemption based on bona fide considerations of public policy”
that’s large enough gap to run a whole football team and their bus through
cont…
Under the same system of
law
“Plenty of women from all backgrounds want women-only swimming. Most men don’t mind. “
Yes .The old public schools even had separated entrances for boys and girls
“The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose, because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday, somebody who believes as you do wins….”
I F Stone (1907 – 1989)
Lesschumras,
It is upending the status quo
When R’ Boruch Ber came to New York in 1929 he was greeted by Mayor Walker . The mayor asked him “what can I do for you Rabbi?”
(He did not ask him for special favors for the Jewish community or for religious Jews.) His prompt response [in Yiddish] was separate the males and females at the beaches.
Some who have everything going for them and their families,andare on the D may be more off than some who are somewhat off
stretchy,
that’s a weak one
At a end of year banquet of an yeshiva for OTD in jerusaLEM some 15-16 years ago,
a fellow rose to speak
He turned towards the bochurim who would come once or twice weekly ,and said
“when you Guys starting coming back in the beginning of the year,
my original attitude was what could you guys grasp about our lifestyles and where we are coming from”
However as the months went by it and we got “heimish” it dawned on us ,that you guys had many of the same “nisyonos” that we had
but when push came to shove , you passed and we just…
And we now respect you for that”
and he sat down
It’s an old discussion how much/when does of ” Lo Sasuru” apply to women.
Avi K,
Before you comment ,read his biographies
He was of yankee stock and personality
Virtually all the bad stuff that he published was in 20s and 30s
Although in 1922, he wrote a something interesting regarding a distinguished jew that he met on a ship
“aberrant”
furthermore we do give less weight to some than others
Le’s say it way:
We wouldn’t say the Rishon is wrong,although we c/would call
them aberrant
( invariably the ones Slifkin’s ilk are apt to pull out of a hat)
If it’s too complicated,better just delete the parentheses
George Orwell
George Orwell
George Orwell, 1984
George Orwell
George Orwell, 1984
George Orwell
“How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”
George Orwell, 1984
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking
John Maynard Keynes.
The Queen is most anxious to enlist everyone in checking this mad, wicked folly of ‘Women’s Rights’. It is a subject which makes the Queen so furious that she cannot contain herself.
Queen Victoria