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I don’t know, there is no halacha to shuckle, and i frankyl don’t know what the conversation is. people shuckle to concentrate more, that’s it. The Mechaber talks about how NOT to shuckle (to make it look like ur a ba’al ga’avah), but I don’t see the controversy by shuckling.
it is interesting that you forget what is mandatory to wear in front of a king. we see from the Mishnah Berurah mentioned above (by yours truly) that ‘fit for a king ‘does not mean only a hat, rather a jacket also. all the rabbonim there were wearing jackets, as was AG Barr, who i assume speaks to trump (who might not be a king altogether (and who is not considered a king himself)).
why should they wear a hat there?
if you will bring a proof from chashuva rabbonim, find ones that don’t wear a hat by davening.
I don’t get why people say there is no basis in halacha for something when there is plenty, then get mad at me when I say there is.
regarding hats and jackets, there are 2 main reasons for it being mandatory: Omeid Lifnei Hamelech and being covered during davening…
The Mishnah Berurah says in se’if 90 se’if Katan 1 that one must be covered properly during davening since it is improper to daven unless you are dressed as if to see a king. society has decided that proper attire is a jacket. The Shulchan Aruch in that se’if says you must have a head covering.
regarding a hat, the Rambam says in Hilchos Tefillah perek 5 halacha 5 that it is the derech Chachamim to only daven with a head covering.
@rational; The yeshivos that I have gone to did not say ‘thats the way it is’, they showed me sources. I don’t know where you went, but that’s not what I experienced, and it is not nonsense if you actually do a tiny tiny bit of research.
I was really trying to figure out how the yeshivos’s styles were different from each other, but whatever…
for example: why is chofetz chaim’s style unique?
But isn’t the whole point that we spend our whole lives trying to work on ourselves so that we do not give the impression that we are better than everyone? we are held more liable when we do things wrong, so ‘we are people’ should not fly.
Joseph, you are implying that I am allowed to steal nontangible intellectual property. is that right? what does shaving have to so with it? How did you answer the question? what’s your therefore? so many questions…
You ignored what he said… you also ignored the numerous Poskei Hador that said Shaving is Assur. No matter what side you are on, there are Gedolim. This is Torah, with different sides and Machlokes. to say that Joseph is saying fake Halacha is not true. it’s like calling Ashkenazim fake because of Sephardi rabbis. there is Mesorah and what your Rav says. do not call him fake (and don’t call him Josephine)
CONCLUSIVELY: Even though there are numerous Gedolim hat say shaving is Assur, having a Kashah on people that shave is like having a Kashah on Ashkenaz and Sefard. it is a matter of Mesorah, and If your Rav says you can shave, It does not matter what the Gedolim say…
FOLLOW YOUR RAV! DO NOT CHANGE YOUR MINHAG OR HAVE A TA’ANAH ON YOUR RAV IF HE SAYS YOU CAN SHAVE!
Additionally, 5ish, there are so many people that take a Gadol’s name and do what they want with it. Maybe this is one of them.
P.S. showing me the sources is how I become familiar with the Sugya. what you said is an oxymoron…
What I’m not getting is that with all the Piskei Din in the world, the fact is that most Yeshivos (including Chofetz Chaim and many others) are Matir shaving… they can’t all be wrong.
(Also, Rav Ovadia, Rav Moshe, Rav Tzvi Pesach Frank, and Rav Chaim Ozer all appear to be Meikel regarding electric shavers. )
Is there a source for the Psak Din?
Me personally, I am a Chofetz Chaim Guy. People ask me all the time why we are said to learn differently than other Yeshivos. I always reply that we don’t focus so much on bringing in as many P’shatim as possible, rather we ask one simple question: what is the step of the Gemara trying to do, and we go on from there. bringing in all the P’shatim without fully getting the Hava Amina or the answer is not conclusive learning, according to me at least. this is why we go so slowly (compared to other Yeshivos), regarding the famous joke regarding Pesachim’s famous first phrase, אוֹר לְאַרְבָּעָה עָשָׂר: it takes 3 months for Chofetz Chaim guys to get out of the box.”