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Mammele, I had responded to that comment here:
and Rebshidduch responded to my comment here:
I don’t think it’s just semantics.
I thought (and still think) that he was trying to imply that someone who is not a zionist doesn’t care about EY.
Is that what you meant, Chaver? If not, please clarify, because it does sound like it.Thanks!
Regarding the op, personally, I wouldn’t say no to someone who is a shtickel zionist.
I think there are two basic issues:1. What does it mean that he is a shtickel zionistic? Are there any practical ramifications, and if so, what are they? For example, if the guy would send his kids to the same schools as your daughter would and has the same type of Rav and wouldn’t dream of sending his son to the army, respects the (Chareidi) Gedolim and the Chareidim, and the only practical ramification is that he has a bar-b-que on Yom HaAtzmaut and/or says Hallel without a bracha, I don’t see what the big deal is.
2. #1 may have to be qualified depending on your daughter’s background/upbringing. When I wrote #2, I was thinking of myself. For me, coming from the background I am coming from and having the friends, social setting, and mentality that I have, it might not necessarily be such a big deal. My age also may make a difference.
On the other hand, if you are talking about a girl who is coming from a very insulated, super-Israeli-Chareidi background, it might be a bigger deal.But even so, if she is happy and they have similar goals and values, and he has good middos, and #1 holds true, I wouldn’t recommend objecting.
Right. And my point was that it doesn’t.
Mazel Tov CTL!
Why does RebYidd have a gantze megillah on her profile page? Does anyone else have that?
Is that something we can all put in for ourselves (if we really want to)? Wouldn’t it be more fun if we could put it in for other people?
“It’s a Mitzvah!!! She shouldn’t marry someone that doesn’t wait for Moshiach or doesn’t care about Eretz Yisrael”
I’m not a zionist, but I wait for Mashiach and I care about Eretz Yisrael. In fact, I care so much that I am posting this out of Eretz Yisrael!
Is it okay to marry someone who is not perfect? What if my beshert meets the girl of his dreams (me) and finds out that she spends time online posting in the coffee room? Would he still be allowed to marry me?
What if he found out that I’m imperfect in some other way (can’t think of anything but I’m sure there’s something)? Let’s say my middos aren’t perfect. Since having bad middos is not part of Judaism, does that mean I’m a goy and he shouldn’t marry me?
Why not more? Anyhow, Mashiach’s on his way, and won’t we live much longer then? So what’s with the 120 year business?? I think it’s a klala, not a bracha.
“LU, there si no Torah like the Torah of Eretz Yisrael. In fact, Chazal say that if one lives in Shmutz laAretz it is if he has no Gd and it is as if he commits idolatry (Ketubot 110b). Ramban says (Vayikra 18:25) that we only do mitzvot there in order not to forget themThe Gra says (Likutim on Sefer HaTzeniuta) that it is a graveyard for Jews. It follows that a Jew there is considered dead.”
I am well aware of all that and I am well aware that the ideal is to live in Eretz Yisrael (which is why I’m here, Boruch Hashem). However, it does not follow that every Jew is obligated to or even should live in Eretz Yisrael.
It is also an ideal to learn Torah full-time, but there are times when it would be a big aveira for someone to be learning.
All Mitzvos can be made into “avoda zara”. All Mitzvos can be done in the wrong way or in the wrong time. We are not supposed to worship anything but Hashem and that includes not taking any Mitzvah out of the context of Avodas Hashem.There is a famous story about a meeting of Rabbanim to save the Yidden (maybe during the Holocaust?). One man got up and said, “We must daven Mincha or we will miss shkiya.” One of the Gedolim who was there said, “We are in the middle of saving lives. It is assur to daven Mincha now, and anyone who joins that man in davening Mincha is a murderer.
That is the classic example of using a Mitzvah as avoda zara. The Mitzvos don’t have inherent value in themselves but only as tools to serve Hashem and they are only tools to serve Hashem when they are kept the way Hashem wants. Every Mitzvah has parameters – times and ways that it is supposed to be done and times and ways that it is forbideen.
Your tzitzis example is a great example. If you were to ask me if it’s a Mitzvah to wear tzitzis, I would say yes. But if you were to ask me if it would be a Mitzvah for me to wear Tzitzis, I would have to say no. In fact it is proabably assur for more than half of Am Yisrael to wear Tzitzis. Less than half of the Frum members of Am Yisrael wear Tzitzis (none of the women as well as boys under 3). And even men and boys over 3 are not obligated to wear Tzitzis at certain times of day (namely at night).
I’m so sorry! Apparently it’s irrelevant anyhow, but I hpe you’re moichel me.
I didn’t realize you were responding to a deleted post (since it was deleted, I didn’t know about it), so I read it as an entity unto itself. Either way, it did imply that you don’t think that it’s a problem for people to be upset about lack of tznius (which of course doesn’t necessarily mean that you agree with any type of “protest”).
But in any case, “defending that behavior” and “trying to shut up anyone protesting that kind of behaviour” are two entirely different things.
I don’t recall if anyone “defended that behaviour” but maybe at the end someone did, and maybe THAT was the reason it was deleted.
And Joseph, I doubt it was deleted because the moderators were trying to shut up anyone protesting that kind of behavior. If that were the case, it would have been deleted a while before. It could have had to do with the more recent posts that we probably never saw.
I think the mods have stated in the past that when threads get closed, it’s often not because of what is seen, but because of what we don’t see.
Oh, I just realized though – that might only make sense if it were closed but not if it were deleted.
“I don’t have a clue what you are talking about!”
If I misunderstood your comment, I apologize.“Do you honestly think that every post somehow relates to you or something you said?”
No, this is the first time I recall having done that. (aside from the comment to Yekke which was a joke). And that’s only because it really did sound like it. But again, if I was mistaken, I apologize.“Do you have a running list of things you believe people owe you apologies for? I think it would be worthwhile to take this place a lot less seriously. Our jobs in this world are to give apologies, not collect them.”
I made it clear why I made that comment. But again, if it was based on a misunderstanding (on my part), I apologize.As I recall, near the end of the thread, mod 29 seemed to agree that people should be upset about people who are dressed untzniusly.
but thanks for clarifying. I hadn’t phrased that so accurately.
“Why does everyone seem to have a problem with the exceptions who live past 120, but not with the vast majority who don’t reach 120? Isn’t that equally problematic according to the 120 yr “myth”.”
No; the idea of “until 120” is that no one can live past 120 and not that everyone HAS to live until 120. 70 is considered the “normal” or “average” (not sure which word is more accurate) lifespan.
May she live longer than 122! שתחי,
And by the way if the “misunderstanding” really was not deliberate, an apology would be in order. And if you still don’t understand what I wrote, you can ask Meno to explain it to you.
You should know that I was trying to be “dan l’kaf zchus” that you really were confused which is why I took the time to explain it to you. But if that’s the case, you would have apologized. And based on this post, I am finding it harder to believe..
Re #5: That is what I meant.
Sometimes it’s not necessary because it’s obvious that you were responding to the previous post. But then if someone wants to find an excuse to insult you, they can pretend that you were responding to a different post and take your post out of context, so you have to take the time to explain why makes no sense and why it’s obvious that you were responding to the post that you were responding to.
This way no one can do that anymore.
It’s so interesting – do you see the difference between the way my posts show up when I hit reply to your post vs. when I hit reply to my response to your post?
We can make a whole design this way!
Or maybe, that entire thread-within-a-thread will be posted more recently.
Let’s experiment and see.Testing, testing.
True. Everyone should hit the “notify” button every time they post, so that won’t be an issue.
Just to let everyone know (in case you didn’t see my post on another thread):
You can now hit “reply” on the person’s post whom you are commenting on.
I think that this is an important feature for posters to utilize. It should make the conversations much more comprehensible and leave less room for misunderstandings.
Nechomah – I was wondering about that also. I was assuming that they will create a way to do it but they haven’t put it up yet. The same way they still haven’t put up the way to start a new topic.
Exactly! (your post is still awaiting moderation so I don’t know what you wrote, but I see what you did.)
Also, Serach lived longer than 120 and she was after Moshe Rabeinu. I don’t know if there have been any men after Moshe Rabeinu who lived past 120 – all the examples from above posts were before Moshe Rabeinu. Besides Eliyahu HaNavi who never died so he can’t be counted.
Is Serach one of the people who never died or did she just live a long time? I think she lived a long time, but I can’t remember.
The point is that people seem to think that it’s impossible to live past 120. And there have not been ANY men (as far as I know) who are recorded to have lived past 120, whereas there are women. Even if there was only one such woman, the point still holds true – that we see that a woman can live past 120, and we don’t know that a man can.
And if this is all based on Moshe Rabeinu, it makes sense, since he was a man, and since women do live longer than men on average.
But I still don’t see why we should assume that men can’t live past 120 either just because it hasn’t happened yet.
Oh cool, we can comment on specific post now!
This should make threads more comprehensible now!
I was going to suggest that you consider switching out of a coed college so that you won’t be around boys and the temptation won’t exist.
However, you now mention that you will be meeting this boy soon, but it’s not a shidduch. I am wondering what that means. How did this boy enter your life if you haven’t met him yet?
I definitely think you need to get to seminary right away. What is happening with your Midreshet Rachayl plans?
It’s interesting to note that any recorded cases of someone living past 120 are all female as far as I know.
It seems that even if there is any truth to the “120 years myth”, it only applies to men.
That may explain why some people say שתחי for women instead of עמו”שI still don’t get why we say “until 120” for anyone though. As far as I know, it doesn’t say anywhere that it’s impossible to live past 120 (even if it hasn’t happened since Moshe Rabeinu), so why put a limit on someone’s lifespan?
What do you mean by “Yes. In the Mir…?” What question is “Yes” answering? Are you saying that the Mir is different and they start the first day and not the second day?
Thanks! So how did RebYidd do that?
Well apparently RebYidd knows the answer to the question, but I don’t!!
I was actually going to ask but I didn’t know how to start a new thread so I couldn’t.Also, how do we post links to other threads/posts without making a mess??!!
How do I get rid of this “Shadchan List ” thread that keeps popping up? It’s really annoying!
E”Y.
I heard that in EY, boys go back the first day of Rosh Chodesh and start the second day.Would that be “earning full-time?” or learning fulltime? 🙂
Geordie – Yekke went back to Yeshiva and won’t be back in the CR until Tisha B’Av, but maybe he will see your post then.
That would be cute if you know each other.
“I’m not in the habit of hugging entities on my computer screen whose identity and gender I have no way of verifying.
I’ll just offer Wolf and all the denizens of this place a happy and healthy new Chodesh!”Ditto.
“so I really do need to work on this.”
Work on what exactly?How much younger?
Thank you moderators or Editor or whoever it is whom I owe a thank you to!
1. Think of an area you need to work on and take on one aspect of that area that you will try to do 100%.
For example, if you feel you need to work on tznius, start making sure that your knees are covered whenever you are sitting.
2. Make sure you go to some kind of shiur at least once a week.
3. Hang around people who are the type of people whom you want to emulate, and try to become friends with them.
4. Don’t hang around people whom you don’t want to emulate.
I guess that’s as opposed to those people who consider it assur to even say those words.
I knew a girl who refused to say the “M” word, so I guess she wouldn’t have been a good shidduch for Scald.