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oomis,
may i counter that i wouldn’t be suprised if the women had a hand in the men’s bittul torah (or really lack of kavod torah), if the women were mechashev it the men would follow
wellinformedyid,
there is a well known halacha called mechitzos in a shul. The reason being is because of the sensitivities of the people davening, because Halacha knows that men will get distracted if they are around women. I wouldn’t be suprised that the reason there is no halacha about women congregating the streets is because they didn’t if they did then there would be one, taking into account mens sensitivities.
exactly smile66
(chachmas eesha bansah baysah)
you should have this bracha
well informed yid,
you bring up a good point that he has this problem
but you realize tanaim and amoraim had this taavah too
case 1) the grandson of choni hamagel
case 2,3,4) (sorry i’m horrible at remembering names or where it is in the gemara)when the satan comes dressed as a woman either they would’ve been nichshol not for their torah or one bored his eyes out
definitely the solution isn’t that he shouldn’t go outside b/c he has to (daven, learn etc.)
the answer to women being untzniusdik (out in the open) shouldn’t be that it’s your fault for loking at them
SJSinNYC
correct, but a chatzer was an enclosed area unlike a front yard
sjsinnyc,
the gemara says Kol kvodah bas melech PENIMAH that means inside the house as opposed to outside the house (including chatzer)
In my community actually, there is a weekly shiur that the wives go to and they congregate and shmuz over there, i think it’s the best idea
oomis,
i’ve realized men and women have different definitions for communication.
men communicate to give information
women communicate because they need to talk
Haqer,
why couldn’t they ask their uncle
aries,
that’s a good idea but what yb613 is talking about is girls congregating in the streets I totally agree they should congregate at someone’s house (preferrably one that has no yeshiva aged boys)
kasha,
just on the 24th line it’s interesting to note that bnos tzelofchad went to beis din and their is a whole perek on this
Yechezkel, it for sure depends how they socialize
I know i’m going to be pounced on but im going to say it anyway
Asara kavim sicha yordim l’olam tisha natal nashim
(ten measures of speech came down to the world. women took 9
women need to talk, just like fish need to swim
mbachur: A “frum” person cant go to the beach by definition. (Unless its some unknown separate gender beach where it is completely invisible AND inaccessible to the opposite gender.)
exactly!!! a person who portrays himself as frum in NY but in FL away from everyone else he goes to the beach (hence frum in quotations)
i just heard it means someone who is “frum” but goes to the beach
missme how do you know maybe it was dressed up and you couldn’t see it’s feet
I think they should be tested, and then they can marry other people that are like that.
I’ve heard it’s a lubavitcher minhag.
I don’t follow it
I think its perfectly fine. A lot of times it’s in the kallah’s city, so technically biyah reshonah is supposed to be in his rishus and her parent’s house doesn’t qualify (this is also true by his parents) and they’re planning on living somewhere else so i think it’s fine.
I like Dr. Pepper’s idea LOL
I agree it took a while (about a few seconds) to get used to but i like the order
the roman noblelady preceded you!
she had 1,000 man slaves and 1,000 female slaves and said this one should marry that one and everybody got all bruised so I don’t think it will work sorry
I think it’s fine, being a BT I was used to goyishe music and believe me as long as the tune isn’t from a goyishe song I’m happy with it b/c really it’s mostly the words.