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  • in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1416255
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    @NP,
    “HaRav Vosner was regarded as a Gadol in the whole of Klal Yisroel. Are you aware of any Litvish Rav or Rosh HaYesiva who did not consider HaRav Vosner a Gadol?”

    I am not aware, I was simply saying that so no one comes and says “How can you call him the Gadol HaDor while Rav -whoever- was the undisputed Gadol HaDor”. So I qualified my remarks. I am well aware that Rav Vosner is respected across the board as the leading Posek of our generation.

    in reply to: If you’re Chabad, are you definitely… #1416075
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    He definitely will not eat it.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1416035
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    @PutDownTheGun,
    “Moshiach Monster”
    Brings to mind the one bochur in Yeshiva who had the same propaganda, he too was dubbed Moshiach Monster. But he was actually a learned bochur though.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1416038
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    @NP,
    “You appear to be attempting to deflect the fact that there where Gedolim who came out against the Lubavitcher Rebbe by quoting a Gadol who held of him.”

    You named several names. I demonstrated that one was mislead, and two we have proof to the contrary. If someone tells me how to upload images here, I’ll glad upload a letter from Rav Hutner. My point in bringing Rav Vosner was to show that when people say “all the Gedolim” that is absolutely false. And Rav Vosner, who was the Gadol HaDor at least in the Chassidishe velt, would vehemently disagree with much of what’s being said here.

    How can there be such a wide chasm between Gedolim, with some showing much veneration for the Rebbe, while others said that Chabad mikvaos are posul, our wine is assur, you shouldn’t be meshadech with us, and our children are Bnei Niddah.

    And then you wonder why we still can’t respect Gedolim who said those things. Would you respect a Lubavitcher Rav who said that your wife was a Nidda and your kid is a Ben Niddah?

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415788
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    @NP,
    I’m not going to comment on all the names you mentioned, but these two I take issue with:
    “The Satmar Rebbe

    Rav Hutner”

    The Satmar Rebbe, (Rav Yoelish Teitelbaim):
    The Satmar Rebbe is often portrayed as a fierce opponent of the Rebbe. This isn’t really the case. The Satmarer did indeed criticize the Rebbes approach to some things, Mivtza Tefilin is one of them, and it’s not inaccurate to say that they definitely didn’t see eye to eye. However, on a personal level, there is no evidence that they “didn’t get along”. In 5714 the Rebbe had a deep discussion with the Satmar Rebbe about aveilus and Kabboloh, and the Satmar Rebbe once attended a Lubavitcher wedding (1948, R Avrohom and Chaya Landa) and the picture of it is possibly one of the clearest pictures of Rav Yoelish in existence. (This was published in the Ami Magazine, December 2013). The Rebbe also took issue with some things that the Satmar Rav said, (Nishtakcha Toras HaBaal Shem) but they always had the greatest respect for one another. The public fight in the 70’s and 80’s was in no way instigated or encouraged by the Satmar Rebbe in any way. The Satmar Rebbes vast knowledge of Torah is well known and respected in Chabad, and 21 Kislev is mentioned on Chabad.org with a brief biography of the Satmar Rebbe.

    Rav Hutner Z”L:

    Rav Hutner corresponded with the Rebbe many times, and met the Rebbe first in Berlin, and had multiple Yechidusen with him (Mibeis Hagenozim, S.B. Levine, Kehot 2009, p. 88). Rav Hutner even asked the Rebbe for brochos on occasion. It’s definitely possible that he had criticisms of certain things, but it’s quite wrote to portray him as a fierce opponent of the Rebbe. The notion that he was, is based on “anonymous sources” cited by Hillel Goldberg in Between Berlin and Slobodka: Jewish transition figures from Eastern Europe, Ktav Publishing House, 1989. I have certainly never heard such a thing in Lubavitch, and if there was any truth to it you can be sure that it would be known within Chabad.

    Regarding Rav Weinberg, do you mean Rav Noach Weinberg?

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415781
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    While we’re talking about different Gedolim, I want to add, that one of the major Poskei Doreinu, the Shevet HaLevi, Harav Hagaon Rav Vosner z”l, was an admirer of the Rebbe and Chassidus Chabad in general, he had a relationship with the Frierdiker Rebbe going back to the 1930’s, and had a Yechidus with the Frierdiker Rebbe several times.

    In Sivan of 1976 Harav Vosner had a lengthy (three quarters of an hour) Yechidus with the Rebbe, and the Rebbe personally escorted him out.

    During the Shloshim for the Kedoshim of Mumbai, (who’s Yartzait is this week) in a telephone address, Rav Vosner said the following:

    “Regarding the shluchei Chabad it is fitting to apply the saying of our Sages in the Midrash Raba: ‘There is none more beloved to Hashem than a shliach who is sent to do a mitzva and is moser nefesh to be successful in his shlichus.’ How fitting these words are to the Chabad shluchim, who are undoubtedly beloved to Hashem for being moser nefesh to spread Judaism and to make the name of heaven beloved all over the world.”

    At the Siyum HoRambam in Yerushalayim in 5772, Rav Vosner spoke, and among his remarks said the following:

    “This great thing that the Rebbe did, that we unite in the study of Rambam, and by doing so we hasten the coming of Moshiach. The Rambam begins with the laws of faith in the Hilchos Yesodei HaTorah and ends with faith with the Hilchos Melachim. That is the uniqueness of the Rambam’s work that it begins and ends with emuna and it includes all the mitzvos that pertain nowadays and that do not pertain nowadays.”

    The Shevet HaLevi would send his seforim to the Rebbe, and the Rebbe would send back comments on his Tshuvos.

    After meeting with the Rebbe, Rav Vosner remarked that he was prepared for the Rebbes memory, as it was well known, but he remarked, “ober aza amkus”.

    Rav Vosners reputation as a Posek and Tzadik speaks for itself, and his relationship with Chabad speaks for itself.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415783
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    @RSO,
    “Can you name me ehrliche Yidden who said that nobody [alive] is worthy of it and it will be someone from the dead?”

    For once I agree with you. I am not aware of, even among the Rebbes greatest admirers, a non Lubavitcher who said that. If you will cite Rav Aharon Soleveitchik, he said that he believed that the Rebbe was worthy of being Moshiach *before* his Histalkus.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415746
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    @NP,
    “I’m not aware of any Gedolim who supported his more controversial psokim and teachings.”
    Can you please tell us what these controversial psokim are?
    And who argued with them?

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415742
    Sechel HaYashar
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    @ChabadShlucha,
    Well answered.

    “but I’m sure one of the bochurim could fill you in.”
    Likkutei Sichos Chelek 29, page 211.
    Also see the Frierdiker Rebbes words on this, and how the Mitteler Rebbe was opposed to sleeping in the sukkah, in Sefer HaSichos 5636 – 5710, page 295.

    See the old Belzer Minhag of not sleeping in the sukka, (not practiced anymore) in Nittei Gavriel Hilchos Rosh Hashonah Perek 16, Haara 16, quoting the Bulgraya Rav.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415733
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    @Daas,
    “but the process arrived at to be a meshichist is so flawed that a meshichist’s judgement cannot be trusted in halachah.”

    A good summary of the letter, and he says explicitly that their Shchita is kosher, unlike David Berger would like us all to believe.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415728
    Sechel HaYashar
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    @Daas,
    “Didn’t you say there are yeshivos both in Queens and Cincinnati which have those beliefs?”
    Extreme Meshichist beliefs yes, Elokist beliefs – chas vesholom.

    @NonPolitical,
    Nowhere in that quote does Rav Belsky “come out against the Lubavitcher Rebbe”, and to say that he did is to misrepresent his words. I disagree with his assertion that Chabad isn’t what it used to be etc, but that is irrelevant here.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415647
    Sechel HaYashar
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    @YserBS123,
    In my quest to find a place where Rav Belsky “came out against the Lubavitcher Rebbe” (still haven’t found it, and I don’t think I will) I came across the following quote from the posek Harav Heinemann:
    “I’m not among those who believe that the Rebbe was Mashiach. But you don’t have to be Mashiach to be a gadol b’Yisrael. ”
    – Mishpacha Magazine, May 2008.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415644
    Sechel HaYashar
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    @YserBS123,
    Regarding Rav Aharon Feldman, I read a letter written by him to Gil Student, where it seems that the Rav was mislead about what common Chabad beliefs are. He discusses the so called “Elokistim” as if they’re a phenomena, while in reality, there aren’t enough of them to constitute a Zimmun…

    In another letter, to Professor Berger (whom he addresses “Professor Berger”), he continues largely in the same vein, speaking about these people who daven to the Rebbe chv”sh. I don’t know by who or why the Rav was mislead, but these accusations are patently false. There’s no movement of people who daven to the Rebbe or similar. There have been individuals, escapees from mental institutions, such as the one responsible for the murder of Rav Bistritzky A”h from Tzfas, who threatened to kill Rav Ovadia Yosef z”l. That’s the extent of it. In addition, he doesn’t “come out against the Lubavitcher Rebbe”, he comes out against the same practices as I do, and official Lubavitch institutions do.

    Regarding Rav Belsky, I am not aware of him “coming out against the Lubavitcher Rebbe”, please enlighten me.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415572
    Sechel HaYashar
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    @MC,
    “Essentially it can be summed up by how the chosom Sofer says in his book of Halacha’s. ”
    You make yourself sound like an am haaretz by calling a sefer “Book of Halachas”. The Chasam Sofer didn’t write a book of Halachas. You mean Shu”t Chasam Sofer.

    @Kovno,

    Apparently Rav Chaim Volozhiner, one of the Gra’s prime Talmidim did pass this mesora down. You have very breite pleitzes to argue with Rav Soleveitchik.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415556
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    @Np,
    “you see / hear a recording of this yourself? Did you at least hear first hand testimony from someone who did?”
    Watch the video I linked to. I personally Harav Leibel Schapiro retell this multiple times, and he heard it straight from the mouth of Rav Soleveitchik.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415500
    Sechel HaYashar
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    Correction:
    “Rav YB Soleveitchik had received in his family, being a descendant of the Gra. ”
    The Rav wasn’t a descendant of the Gra, he was a descendant of Rav Chaim Volozhiner, a Talmid of the Gra.
    (I’m surprised no one here called me out on that:) )

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415490
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    @ChabadShlucha,
    “Id really love to know if SH was taught this sicha,and if yes, how he reconciles it with having no problem saying ztzal etc”
    Firstly, I don’t use the loshon of Zatza”l, being that in Lubavitch we use Zy”a (Zchuso Yogein Oleinu) or Nishmoso Eden.

    Secondly, the Rebbe would often use the loshon “Moshe Rabbeinu Olov HaSholom” and would use Zy”a for the Frierdiker Rebbe.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415446
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    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415424
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    @NP,
    “Now if we had direct or public testimony from The RAV that would be something. Do we have that??”
    I believe he said this at a Yud Test Kislev gathering in Boston in the late 60’s. I gave the source for this earlier (before you joined the conversation).

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415420
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    @NP,
    ” I said many Gedolim and Rabbonim came out against the Lubavicher Rebbe.”
    I want three names of such Gedolim.
    1. Rosh Yeshiva
    2. A Posek
    3. One who stood out as a Tzadik, besides for being a Talmid chochom.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415414
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    @NP,
    “That has not happened in this case and therefore contradicts normative Halachic process. ”
    I fail to see the logic in that.

    “Would you accept an argument based on a different Chazal that would deny that Moshiach is coming altogether? ”
    I wouldn’t, because Halacha as brought in Rambam clearly doesn’t hold like that Deah.

    As for the organ playing in Shul etc, I think you should come up with more rational arguments.

    All of your arguments are based on the myth that somewhere in Halacha it says that Moshiach cannot be min hameisim, or have an early Techiya. To answer that with “well the Gedolim didn’t say he could be” I’m not aware of which Godol spoke or wrote about these inyanim “Lepilpula b’alma” not in connection to Lubavitch or the Rebbe.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415395
    Sechel HaYashar
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    In relation to my remarks about Professor Berger:
    “In my mid-teens, I experienced periods of perplexity and inner struggle while reading works of biblical criticism. While I generally resisted arguments for the documentary hypothesis with a comfortable margin of safety, there were moments of deep turmoil. I have a vivid recollection of standing at an outdoor [sabbath service] in camp overwhelmed with doubts and hoping that God would give me the strength to remain an Orthodox Jew. What saved me was a combination of two factors: works that provided reasoned arguments in favor of traditional belief and the knowledge that to embrace the position that the Torah consists of discrete, often contradictory documents was to embrace not merely error but [heresy].”
    -From his autobiography published in 1993.
    I’ll let all of you decide for yourself if these comments disqualify him from opining on whether or not these beliefs are kfira, and “beyond the pale of orthodoxy”.
    (As an aside, when a 50 year old writes an autobiography, it speaks volumes about his character, and specifically his ego.)

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415315
    Sechel HaYashar
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    @NP,
    “Considering that this is a “family mesorah” one would expect it to be well know among the Brisk Rabbonim, Roshai Yeshiva, and their Talmidim.”
    Who said it’s not? Secondly a family mesora is just that, a family mesora. Not something that Roshei Yeshiva would be likely to speak about in Shiur. Do you really think that Rav YB Soleveitchik made it up? Or because he wasn’t Yeshivish maybe you don’t accept his word? (I’m asking, not stating.)

    “Also, why are you making a personal attack against Rabbi Berger? Is it because he came out against certain elements in Lubavich? As you are well aware there are many Rabbonim who did (do) the same. Among them Gedolim whose reputation and scholarship is beyond reproach.”

    Professor Berger (correct me if I’m wrong,but he’s a Proof. in YU, not a Rabbi there) has a strange agenda of asking the RCA to state that Shechita of one who believes that the Rebbe is Moshiach is forbidden. Which the RCA obviously didn’t agree with, and I don’t know which “Gedolim whose reputation and scholarship is beyond reproach” agreed with him. If you want to know on what I base my views on him, for the third time, listen to the interview with R Dovid Lichtenstein (someone who I wish everyone here would emulate in their respect for other Yidden) about Meshichistim with Professor Berger.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415249
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    @NonPolitical,
    “Siting an Agadah to sanction an unprecedented theological shift among Klal Yisroel is unacceptable. ”
    You probably mean “Citing.”

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415214
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    @NonPolitical,
    “Siting an Agadah to sanction an unprecedented theological shift among Klal Yisroel is unacceptable. ”
    This Gemara is a very strong precedent. Agada only isn’t a proof if it contradicts Halacha, which as explained, it doesn’t. The Rambam does not say that Moshiach isn’t min hameisim, or from one who was zoche to Techiya before the process of Geula began, (and that is a legitimate possibility, צדיקים קמים מיד, and other sources,) and there was such a possibility accepted by no less than Amoraim. Was the Gemara not accepting your definition of “Halachic process”?

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415206
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    @MC,
    “Tasha’s koyach! Yoshar Koyach”
    I don’t know if this is a typo or what, or you don’t know what Ta”ch stands for (tshuas chen) but Tashas Koach means “a weakening of Koach”. Probably a typo.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415134
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    @Slominer,
    “How many Lubavitchers left Lubavitch after (because of) the Rebbe’s petira?”
    I don’t know of exact numbers, but it was a handful, individuals. There was no mass exodus.

    “Why did they leave? And where’d they leave to? You both say few of them left to other Chasiduses; so where did they go?”

    Most of them left Yiddishkait entirely, perhaps because they never really believed too much to begin with, but the Rebbes presence and the environment that created left them within Lubavitch for the time being.

    “And how did the Liozna Rebbe and that Belzer Dayan explain their leaving?”
    I don’t know their explanations, you’d have to ask them. I can tell you that as early as 1987 this Liozna Rebbe was expressing his doubts in Lubavitch and the Rebbe. He only got up and left after the Rebbes histalkus.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415127
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    @NonPolitical,
    In response to your questions:
    (Sorry for the lengthy wait)
    “The inference from the Bati L’Ganni speech was sufficient for the Brisker Rov to declare that the Lubavitcher Rebbe thought he was Moshiach. Such an inference is clearly not unreasonable.”

    I don’t know the source of this story with the Brisker Rov, but have you actually learned the maamar inside?
    If you do, like I’ve done countless times, I think you will fail to come across such an inference. I have never seen it. It’s not worth arguing about this point until you have actually studied the maamar inside, in its entirety.

    “take personal offense at the statement made by CS that the Vilna Gaon saw the Alter Rebbe of Lubavich through a key hole, realized that if he would meet him he would have become a chossid and ran away. But this is just a symptom of the above stated problem.”

    This story is not the mesora we have in Lubavitch of the meeting between the Gra and Baal HaTanya, (as I discussed earlier in this thread) but rather the version that Rav YB Soleveitchik had received in his family, being a descendant of the Gra. Please refer to my previous comments about this.

    “The premise that it is legitimate to hold such a belief undermines the very fabric of the Halachic process itself”
    We’ve been through this so many times here…
    As I asked earlier, which Halacha does this contradict?
    Such a belief has basis in the Gemara,
    “ורבי יוחנן אמר למשיח מה שמו דבי רבי שילא אמרי שילה שמו שנאמר (בראשית מט, י) עד כי יבא שילה דבי רבי ינאי אמרי ינון שמו שנאמר (תהלים עב, יז) יהי שמו לעולם לפני שמש ינון שמו דבי רבי חנינה אמר חנינה שמו שנאמר (ירמיהו טז, יג) אשר לא אתן לכם חנינה”
    (Basis for believing ones Rebbe is Moshiach)

    “אמר רב נחמן אי מן חייא הוא כגון אנא שנאמר (ירמיהו ל, כא) והיה אדירו ממנו ומושלו מקרבו יצא אמר רב אי מן חייא הוא כגון רבינו הקדוש אי מן מתיא הוא כגון דניאל איש חמודות”
    (Basis for the possibility of Moshiach min Hameisim)
    Also, note what Rav Nachman says…
    – Sanhedrin 98b.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415091
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    @BurntFace,
    “Being formerly on the inside”
    You sound like you’re reading one of those scripted “documentaries” of people who left Yiddishkait (lehavdil, I’m not comparing) with an axe to grind.
    I’m actually quite curious to know who you are, because you seem to have a vile agenda to bashmutz Lubavitch here.
    And also, because there are only a very small handful of Lubavitchers who left to other Chassidusen after the Rebbes histalkus. (The Liozna Rebbe, a certain Belzer Dayan, and that’s all I’ve heard of)
    And I highly doubt that your are the Liozna Rebbe.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1415072
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    @NonPolitical,
    “Rabbi David Berger contends that they are unfortunately the minority. I’m not an insider so wouldn’t know.”
    I actually like a lot of your posts, but this one isn’t in line with your “non political” tag. Mr David Berger is a very political partisan hack, who’s unadulterated hatred for Chassidus in general and Chabad in particular is well known. I refer you to R Dovid Lichtensteins interview with him on “Headlines”. You will also observe there that Berger is not a very big Talmid chochom to say the least.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1414875
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    @RSO,
    “וכן בכל דור ודור יש ראשי אלפי ישראל שנשמותיהם הם בחי’ ראש ומוח לגבי נשמות ההמון וע”ה וכן נפשות לגבי נפשות כי כל נפש כלולה מנפש רוח ונשמה מכל מקום שרש כל הנפש רוח ונשמה כולם מראש כל המדריגות עד סוף כל דרגין המלובש בגוף עמי הארץ וקל שבקלים נמשך ממוח העליון שהיא חכמה עילאה כביכול”
    -Tanya Perek Beis
    I hope this makes it clear that the Rebbe didn’t invent the concept of Nosi HaDor. Also as it’s known, Rebbe is Roshei Teivos “Rosh Bnei Yisrael”. Any Rebbe..
    I’m not being a Lubavitch supremacist:)

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1414862
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    @RSO,
    “Finally someone mentioned above that “nossi hador” is mentioned in Tanya. I just did a BarIlan search for the word nossi and it didn’t come up at all. Where is it in Tanya? I’ll be happy to be told the source.”
    Tanya Perek Beis. Exact concept of Nosi HaDor without the name, “Nosi HaDor”.

    @NonPolitical,
    I definitely am planning on answering, but anything longer than some copy pasting and typing a little takes time. And that’s time that I don’t have. I have a life and a lot to do outside of moonlighting on the Coffee Room:)

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1414080
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    @LilFroggie,
    “They have such a rich Chassidus, so many great Rebbes to learn and glean from… Why are they doing this to the Chassidus, to the Zecher of the Lubavitcher Rebbe zichrono lervacha???”
    My sentiments exactly.

    @NonPolitical,
    I’ll respond when I have a chance, iyh.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413774
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    @Daas,
    “Yes, this is halachically problematic.”
    I didn’t ask for your opinion as a Posek, I asked for you to quote a source in Shulchan Aruch or Rambam to back it up.

    “Do the meshichists think he is definitely moshiach but not “chezkas moshiach”? How does that work?”

    Does the fervent hopeful belief mean that you think he already reached the status of Chezkas Moshiach?
    It means that you think he will rise from the meisim, and then accomplish what a Chezkas Moshiach would need to accomplish.
    (I’ve already proven that this doesn’t fit with the Rebbes own words several times, but that doesn’t make one a koifer if he chooses to believe so.)

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413641
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    @Daas,
    While I don’t agree with many of their interpretations of Rambam, I don’t see how that would be considered מגלה פנים כו’ .
    Also, I think the main argument would be whether Moshiach can be from the meisim or not, I’m sure most wouldn’t say he was Chezkas Moshiach.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413580
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    @LitvisherChasid,
    “Also seems your fellow lubavitcher told you to hush about those chabad secrets and not share them on this site. So thanks for letting out a chabad secret.”
    No secret here, I’ve never done this or observed anyone doing this. As I told that poster, keep your personal hergeishim to yourself.

    “I recently saw on their site that some “chabad” chazzan will be singing/chazzening at the lincoln square synagogue. This makes everyone think that he is the only chazzon there and its always chabad on top.”

    Fake news. The article said he’s an assistant chazan and the main chazan is Yanky Lemmer. I never thought I’d see the day that I’d be defending collive.com.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413578
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    @RSO,
    “but I still want to know how you can be SURE that he loved EVERY Jew.”

    Because he wanted every single person born to a Jewish mother to have the same opportunity as you did to learn Torah, and to keep mitzvos.

    No matter how far away he was, whether it be a Yid in sunny Florida, or a frozen soul out in Iceland, or a Yiddishe neshama lost in the Australian outback, to the lone Jew in Madagascar, or the young Israeli finding himself in South East Asia, the Rebbe saw to it that he would be afforded the opportunity to serve Hashem just like you do.

    And I am a result of this dream that the Rebbe had. And because of my dedication to this goal, a Yid somewhere broke off with a goya, while another Yid puts on Tefilin each day, while a third goes to shul each Shabbos.

    This is Ahavas Yisrael, loving every single Yid like your own child, and affording them the same opportunities as a Yid in Williamsburg or Boro Park has.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413565
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @Daas,
    “the very logical argument that the Rebbe caused his chassidim to believe that he was moshiach.”
    Fair enough. Here goes.
    The Rebbe zy”a never shied away from stating his opinion on Halacha or Hashkafa or coming out with various Mitzvah campaigns, no matter how controversial they were.

    From the Litvishe opposition to Mihu Yehudi, to the Satmar anger at the Tefilin Campaign, to the derision of his Shittos about the shape of the Luchos or Menorah, the Rebbe never backed down.

    Never did the Rebbe say “look, the world doesn’t like the Taharas Hamishpoche Campaign, or Mihu Yehudi is getting too much flak, so let’s just say these things in private”.

    Had the Rebbe wanted the world to believe he’s Moshiach, he would have said so in a very public way, with nothing to hide. The Rebbe stood for emes, not chas vesholom two faced deception.

    These attacks on the Rebbes integrity are shameful and completely forbidden. (Shulchan Aruch Y”D 243:6-7.)

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413559
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @couldbe,
    “Could Chabadshlucha please tell us all the address of her Chabad house. That way those of the meshichist bent can hand around there… and us normal people can avoid it.”

    What a respectful way to talk to a woman. Or any person.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413558
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    Some of my posts aren’t coming through. Is it to do with Hebrew?

    @Daas,
    You certainly seem to insinuate that chas vesholom the Rebbe was a devious, two faced, self aggrandizing person (It’s hard for me to even type those words) who privately mislead his Chassidim while attempting to maintain a good image for the public.

    And that I find disgusting.

    “Shame on the people who raised you to speak like that.”
    “I’ll note also that your response to me, insulting my parents, ”

    I don’t know your parents, and I never insinuated that they raised you to speak like that. I honestly have no idea where you picked up such ideas.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413555
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @Daas,
    “halachically problematic to ignore/twist that Rambam?”
    We’re talking about a belief system being Halachically problematic, ie, Kefira.

    While we’re on the subject of ignoring Halachos:
    עון גדול הוא לבזות תלמידי חכמים או לשנאותן וכל המבזה את החכמים אין לו חלק לעולם הבא והוא בכלל כי דבר ה’ בזה
    מי שהעידו עליו שביזה ת”ח אפי’ בדברים (אפי’ שלא בפניו) בית דין היו מנדין אותו ואין מתירים לו עד שירצה החכם שנדוהו בשבילו ואם ביזה את החכם לאחר מותו בית דין היו מנדין אותו והם מתירים לו משיחזור בתשובה.

    Shulchan Aruch Y”D 243:6-7.
    You seem pretty bent on ignoring this Halacha.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413550
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @Daas,
    Halachically problematic doesn’t mean that your reading of the Rambam is wrong. It means that what you believe is kefira, apikorsus or minus. Not that your wrong. There’s no sin in being wrong. There is a sin of calling thousands of Yidden Yireim Ushleimim kofrim. There is a sin of bizayon Talmidei Chachamim;

    עון גדול הוא לבזות תלמידי חכמים או לשנאותן וכל המבזה את החכמים אין לו חלק לעולם הבא והוא בכלל כי דבר ה’ בזה:
    מי שהעידו עליו שביזה ת”ח אפי’ בדברים (אפי’ שלא בפניו) בית דין היו מנדין אותו ואין מתירים לו עד שירצה החכם שנדוהו בשבילו ואם ביזה את החכם לאחר מותו בית דין היו מנדין אותו והם מתירים לו משיחזור בתשובה.
    – Shulchan Aruch Y”D 243:6,7

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413544
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @Daas,
    “Rambam has already been quoted several times here, if I’m not mistaken by you as well.”
    Quoted to prove that her beliefs are Halachically problematic? I didn’t quote anything for that purpose. I said that according to the Rambam the Rebbe didn’t fulfill the criteria of Chezkas Moshiach. I never said that means it’s Halachically problematic to believe that he will rise from the meisim and become Moshiach. And I challenge you to prove that it is.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413537
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @DaasYochid,
    “Of course, he was smart enough not to say it explicitly. Yet, he managed to have (almost?) all of his chassidim convinced that he was, and perhaps made some disclaimers in private.”

    What a disgusting piece of hyperbole. And bizayon to a true Tzaddik and Manhig of thousands. You don’t have to believe he’s Moshiach or the Nasi HaDor, but a modicum of respect for a Yelud Isha who dedicated himself to Klal Yisroel in a most selfless way. Shame on the people who raised you to speak like that. Shame on you!

    Now you wonder why you were dubbed “a fine specimen of a misnaged”?

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413532
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @DaasYochid,
    “One down.
    Who’s next?

    Hmm?”
    I challenged anyone to prove that these beliefs are “Halachically problematic” by giving a specific source in Shulchan Aruch. You failed dismally with your comment.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413452
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @MoshiachChat,
    “Reb Yoel Kahn, much to Seichal Yashars dismay, is on video saying nothing happened gimmel tammuz. He is here just as before”

    I can’t confirm that or deny as I haven’t seen this video. But I can tell you, as everyone in Lubavitch knows, that R Yoel definitely doesn’t believe that today. I doubt he ever did.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413443
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @770Chabad,
    What an appropriate thing to post here. Now everyone is convinced. Keep your hergeishim to yourself.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413385
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @DaasYochid,
    “You don’t think it’s halachically problematic to throw all known sources describing moshiach in the garbage based on a purely emotional need to believe your rebbe is moshiach?”

    One down.
    Who’s next?

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413359
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    @Slominer,
    “Can anyone, anyone, please quote the exact words (and source) of the Lubavitcher Rebbe saying he himself is Moshiach?”

    I will say no. No such place. As a (I hope) fairly learned Lubavitcher, who has heard all these arguments many times, I’ve yet to see such a reference. Anyone can come and insert “hints” anywhere they want, but an explicit source (without reading between the lines, or twisting words,) simply doesn’t exist.

    in reply to: Where did all these Chabad warriors come from? #1413374
    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    I’ve been dormant on the Coffee Room for several months, if not longer.

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