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ConcernedMember,
“Because I NEVER said which events I watch, or which I feel comfortable watching, or – for that matter – which I would consider to be over the line.
I mentioned owning a television, and that I watch the Olympics. That was all.
So, it’s funny that I’m being attacked for the horrible sin of watching “non tzanua” women on TV when I haven’t said that I do.”
Wow, I’m quite confused. I asked you, and I quote “after 120, will you also be comfortable saying that you watched non-tzanua women atthe olympics even though it’s against the Torah to do so?”
And then you replied, and I quote: “Absolutely”.
Care to explain the discrepancy?
Sam2,
Absolutely. And as I mentioned in the other thread, this is not a discussion about watching TV in general. The issue here is whether it’s allowed for a man to watch non-tzanua women on TV, and whether one should be flaunting the fact that he does.
MorahRach, see the above. Again this is not about watching the olympics, it’s about watching scantily clad women.
ConcernedMember,
This also happens to be the second thread in which you openly talk about your willingness to do something forbidden according to the Torah. Quite a coincidence, eh?
“You do have an interesting obsession with this topic though.”
Absolutely. I have every interest in trying to keep this a YESHIVA oriented news site.
“But yeah… I’m, sure somehow my watching TV in the privacy of my own home is worse than that.”
Straw man. No one said anything about your watching TV in the privacy of your own home. The discussion was about watching non-tzanua women on TV, which is against the Torah. You said, however, that even though you know it’s against the Torah, you still felt “absolutely” comfortable doing it.
Being that your flaunting your committing an Issur on a religious website, I wouldn’t be calling others a Troll…
“Once again, another member jumps up to judge someone else.”
Uh, actually, I didn’t judge you at all, I simply asked a question out of curiosity. And your answer was extremely enlightening.
Being that you state that you’re absolutely comfortable with doing things which are against the Torah, maybe you should find a different site for your commenting?
MODS:
There are several posts from members in this thread commenting openly that they have no problem watching non-tzanua women on TV, something which is clearly an issur.
Can you please either edit those comments, or delete this entire thread? This still is YESHIVA world news, isn’t it?
“Proudly watching the olympics”
If you’re proudly transgressing the issur of looking at non-tzanua women, then maybe your place is not at YWN?
“After 120 I’ll be comfortable saying that while I owned a television I didn’t make it my mission to judge, mock and speak badly about others on a daily basis.”
ConcernedMember, after 120, will you also be comfortable saying that you watched non-tzanua women atthe olympics even though it’s against the Torah to do so?
HaKatan,
Your svaros are good ones, but they’re still only svaros. If the Navi says otherwise, the svaros won’t help.
It would be nice if someone here who has access to a boki beTanach could ask him about this…
Sam2,
I had no idea this thread was referring to someone specific, but of course NOW I’m curious 🙂 !
Health,
How do you know he didn’t learn DY?
I am humbled by the presence of such great Talmidei Chachomim here in the CR who know all of Tanach, Shas and their meforshim, and who therefore know that what is written in those pamphlets has no mekor.
Nevertheless, a few years I was told by Rabbi Motti Berger that the poshut peshat in several places in Nevi’im and the meforshim is that the majority of, if not all, Jews living in Chutz La’aretz will R”L perish. He added that of course no one can know exactly what will happen, but that that is the poshut pshat.
“It’s propaganda”
“Sales pitch”
I am humbled to be in the presence of Talmidei Chachomim who obviously know all of Tanach, Shas and their meforshim, to know that what is written in those pamphlets has no source.
I am almost embarrassed to say that several years ago, Rabbi Motti Berger told me that the poshut pshat in various parts of Navi and the local meforshim seem to indicate that the majority of, if not all, Jews living in Chutz La’aretz will, R”L, perish before Moshiach comes. He added that we of course can’t know exactly what will happen, but that is the poshut pshat.
But I guess he must have been mistaken…
“why not put politics aside”
42, the above ridiculous sentence shows that you have not bothered to research Satmar et al’s mehalach and opinion, which have absolutely nothing, zip, nada to do with politics.
So how about not venturing denigrating comments about large group of religious Jews before you do so?
Thank you
ZeesKite:
“And I thought this was the Yeshiva World”
There, unfortunately, is your mistake. It has become quite clear that a substantial number of CR posters
1. stem from the MO community and not the Yeshiva community, or
2. were perhaps at some point members of the yeshivish community, and for whatever reason have hashkafically moved away from it.
These posters are freely being allowed to share their non-yeshivish hashkafos and opinions here, to the consternation of those who come here thinking this is a forum for people with Yshivish Hashkafos, mislead by the “yeshiva” in the site’s name.
Of course, whether according to yeshivish hashkafa there even should BE such a site is a different question, but that’s not the current topic.
Ditto here. Is there any other email address we can send the request to?
Thanks in advance!
If you’re willing to spend $20 a year, there is nothing better than Yahoo Pro email. Gmail doesn’t even come close.
2qwerty,
“i think few people here explained the real case in great detail”
Not really. All we saw here was ASSUMPTIONS of how an advertiser feels about it, and theories of why it can be compared to something else.
“Do you not agree with those explanations?”
It actually doesn’t matter whether or not I agree. The point is that those explanations may very well be wrong, and that laypeople here are taking a big achrayus by relying on their theories to tell someone that something which may be forbidden by the Torah is allowed.
It’s totally possible that you and others are correct in your theorizing. But to go ahead and say it’s ok without making sure with a posek… Brrr, scary business…
As it happens, I used to be an adsense advertiser. And I would absolutely feel someone was stealing from me if I know he clicked on my ad, making me pay money, while having no intention of buying anything from me.
It is mind-boggling to me that laypeople here will so easily give a “heter” on a question that may involve d’Oraysa Issurim. Have any of you so-confident “yes it is permissible” repliers actually asked this question to a Rov? Or are you just relying on your own brilliant reasoning to permit something that may be theft?
“To them it isn’t 2012. It is 5772.”
Best line I’ve seen here in a long time!!!
“Yes it is permissible.”
Actually, it sounds like pure gezel.
“My vast knowledge of how the ppc system works and some basic halacha knowledge.”
Please do tell. We’re all curious to hear how causing someone financial loss is “permissible”.
erm_saywhat said:
“As for the “a word”, if you believe in technology addiction as its own entity, you’re too dumb to own a smartphone. It’s a symptom of human nature. We, as humans, crave social interaction, which the internet facilitates in unprecedented ways. Hence the seeming “addiction”. It’s natural. Hashem created us like that.”
Ok, and therefore what? Are you trying to say that being that it’s natural it’s ok? So would you extend that to gilu’i arayos which is a very natural desire?
Oh, wait a minute. Before that you said “As the developer of the YWN Radio app I’m biased”. Ah. Case closed.
Feif Un:
“Shraga18: Popa is one of the bigger trolls here, and lately I’ve been just ignoring his posts.”
That feels like a copout. I am not a CR regular, but I think the vast majority of posters on this thread, even those that disagree with Poppa, would agree that his posts in this thread are well thought out and well argued. As such, nor responding to them makes it look like you don’t have an answer (which you may indeed not have).
I find it interesting that no one has answered Poppa’a excellent post on the first page. Those CR members that are on the opposing side of him seem to just be ignoring it, instead just waiting around for other posts they can “snipe” at.
Which, I guess, just proves that his points were correct.
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