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July 28, 2016 2:45 am at 2:45 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164846
miami lawyer – stuff like tznius for girls skirts in the not jewish world skirts would be considered not tznius since its more attractive thats why the mo people would agree with him. i have heard of people who think tznius is not tznius (like longer skirts since in the not jewish world its considered more attractive).
The Goq – thats what the OTDers claim to get themselves out of having to keep the Torah.
Abba -s – you cant stop being jewish. i dont know about them (mo people) starting to take learning more seriously i mean there not that religious. they do whatever they want. they dont care what other people say about them. i think their their usual selves.
zahavasdad- but its depressing to see so many lost souls at school. i wanna help them.
No. I wouldnt.
health – men and women are equal their both people. thats the idea of feminism. you must not be a feminist. men and women scream as much as one another. it depends on the person. its one thing to be like in most families the boys are the smartest but to be like all boys are smarter than girls thats not true.
jewishfeminist – i like that definition of what the new off the derech your reform or conservative. it is true they are reform or conservative because you can never stop being jewish. very good point you should try keeping as much of the torah as possible for G-d.
apushatayid – you cant be “kicked off the derech” if you believe in G-d you do what G-d says they didnt believe in G-d and went against G-d and went off the derech. they werent really frum from the beginning. they grew up and had no choice besides to be frum because their parents raised them that way. they didnt believe in G-d to begin with. they did it for their parents. once the school did that they wanted to find a way to get back at them and choice something that goes against G-d.
Any idea of how to do kiruv in a college setting. Its kind of weird to just walk up to someone and be like i want you to come to my house or wherever and that way youll get a chance to do kiruv on them.
The Goq – as someone who almost went otd because of reasons like that the only reason why im religious today is because i believe in G-d nothing can make a person go off if they truly believe.
Abbas-S – as someone who is mo we like to just stay to ourselves so no we dont plan on becoming yeshivish and chasidish and no offense many mo people really dislike chasidim i happen to love chasdidim but many mo people dislike them.July 27, 2016 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164844
miamilawyer – i know many people who would agree with him.
Talk to your LOR.
Dont go you need to go to a jewish school. What about touro or stern?July 27, 2016 2:27 am at 2:27 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164839
writer soul – I agree because in MO they do believe in Hashem and do keep shabbos and kosher its for people who need a more lenient lifestyle (like me) but still wanna keep as much as they can but most only keep shabbos and kosher while i keep tznius and other stuff as well but im not yeshivish and not mo just that my rabbi is mo. (unless you consider that i do talk to the other gender but keep shomer mo). also mo people dont always say bad words, i dont know where you got that from. people who go completely otd probably dont believe in Hashem and your right theyll go off no matter if their chasidish or yeshivish or chasidish.July 27, 2016 1:16 am at 1:16 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164835
writersoul – its better for people to be mo than otd so maybe some of those otd teens should have been mo instead of otd and they could have found their answers there (or became mo).
Clinton way worse.July 26, 2016 4:00 am at 4:00 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164829
miami lawyer – true.July 26, 2016 12:55 am at 12:55 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164826
writersoul- i was once yeshivish and only was friends with yeshivish people now im mostly friends with mo people and am the more frumer one. when i was yeshivish i almmost went otd and then i became mo and am not going to go otd because i was allowed to ask questions that yeshivish people wouldnt allow me to.
The boys must have been playing it last summer (the game that its based off of). Yes please make sure the pritzius stays out.
People were killed because someone driving and playing ran into people.July 25, 2016 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164819
writer soul – do you know what type of MO im referring to? Its the type that literally only keeps shabbos and kosher and believes in Hashem nothing else. Which means the girls wear pants, dont keep shomer, etc…. I keep tznius and shomer tho….. And no they would not let me ask questions in a more yeshivish environment so much so that when im with my yeshivish friends i dont talk to them about it.
no but some kollel man do and work and learn.July 25, 2016 3:03 am at 3:03 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164814
This is a question for coffee room posters. Why is everyone saying that by going to college that will cause a person to go off the derech? Am i missing something?
Abba-S – Unfortunately many people have gone off the derech because of their teachers. So many teachers unfortunately did the exact opposite of stopping people from going off the derech. Example was earlier given by lesschumras.
Luach usually works.July 25, 2016 12:48 am at 12:48 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164811
writersoul – NCSY is there to get teens to learn more about their religion. They wont force religion on them. They let them ask however many questions they want. In the frum community they do not allow people to ask whatever they want like questions asking if G-d really exists. Also, i do keep tznius and all that stuff just that my rabbi is mo and i keep more than what he says to keep i use to be yeshivish now im regular but have a mo rabbi.
lesschumras – Exactly thats what got the guys to go off because they werent alowed to ask questions so how could they believe in something they dont know so much about? Which is why people need to keep asking the questions and believing.
It is bitul Torah.
Trump will win.July 24, 2016 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164807
flatbusher – thats why mo is meant for those kinds of people because they can keep shabbos and kosher while living a “not frum life” day by day because they can ask whatever question they want, they can do whatever they want while still believing in Hashem and keeping the most important basics which are shabbos and kosher.July 24, 2016 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164805
Can you get Ms Margolese book in the library?July 24, 2016 3:49 am at 3:49 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164800
softwards – its true they should have a psychologist take the survey instead.July 22, 2016 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164796
Joseph – exactly thats why their was an issue with the survey because you must have many different types of people answer just like how i said in statistics.July 22, 2016 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164793
yichusdik – if you took a statistics class you wouldve learnt about voluntary response the problem with that is that you only get responses from whoever answers it so you only got OTD people to answer and not others like rabbi, religoius jews, etc… so retake the survey because you missed other peoples responses so its biased.
i think this game was made to get people to have an exercise instead of stay inside all day playing games.
I think that these teens should get a rabbi or a mentor and have people care for them even if they dont discuss religion with them as long as they know some religious person cares for them whether their religious or not this will give them an opportunity to ask questions and with Hashems help go back on the derech. teenager- this happened so long ago your probably religious again and married now with multiple children. do you want to share what helped you go back on? also im sure you probably realized by now that your parents can tell if their child is off the derech by looking at their clothes, looking at their texts etc….
Where the goyim are there is and where the mo people are there are.
It still is normal to go out with your friends on motzei shabbos. The thing is that its a waste of time and some people choose to use their time wise fully and stay home and study.
You should not smoke its against the Torah. It makes a person become sick and ruins their health and according to the Torah your now allowed to make your health bad.July 22, 2016 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164790
softwords – we do have a symbol for girls when they go to college and that is tznius. So much so that when the non jews see girls wearing tznius clothes they ask them about it.
Making sure their safe, making sure their not being rebellious.July 21, 2016 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164784
Nechomah – I am as frum as an ncsy advisor is my rabbi actually is mo and when he went to school like miami lawyer did but i chose to keep more because i believe Hashem wants us to do whatever it is for Him.July 21, 2016 3:11 am at 3:11 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164782
As a kiruv specialist because i work as an ncsy advisor. maybe instead of posting here maybe you want to start going to a chabad to give you help with religion.July 21, 2016 1:39 am at 1:39 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164780
miami lawyer – we will not judge you since you have different views than we do but we will respect you because your jewish but well ask you to respect us as well.July 20, 2016 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164776
Miamilawyer – i always question the Torah until i find the answer and its totally acceptable. In the end of the day theres full cut proof that theirs a Hashem. How can all that stuff like quantom mechanics be real if there isnt a Hashem? How come there are stars and the whole way they are and deny Hashem? How is your body able to function right now if there isnt a Hashem? Hashem wrote the Torah whether or not you understand it its written by Hashem and you must keep it. Also, the people who go OTD in college are the ones who end up dropping out so please dont say stuff like peole go OTD in college if youve been to college youd realize its not true. People go for a parnassa they dont go to hang out with goyim. I do not want to talk bad about good frum people who go to college just to support their husbands learning in kollel or go to support a nice frum family while their wives raise 15 children so please dont talk bad about college students.
It means that you learn and go to college part time. Many boys do that that want to end up working and learning. Its a very good yeshiva for future worker learners and it really helps frum boys get degrees while learning. Most boys end up going to ccbc or umbc there both really good just that ccbc is a community college while umbc is an honor college. Ner gives you an accredited degree in judaic studies and then you just take the required classes for your major at umbc or ccbc. perfect for future doctors that way they only need 4 years of being in a not jewish school plus 10 pre req science classes. Wish they had a program like that for girls that they can learn chumash nevi etc… in a jewish environment and only take the required classes for their major.July 20, 2016 1:26 am at 1:26 am in reply to: Does anyone know of any good modern or yeshivish high schools in Jersey #1159496
If someone needs a modern yeshivish yeshiva maybe they should check into Ner Yisrael. Its a very good yeshiva thats modern yeshivish. Some boys end up learning full time while some end up learning and working.July 20, 2016 1:24 am at 1:24 am in reply to: Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why") #1164774
I personally think it has something to do with bitachon in Hashem. I think if someone goes off they didnt believe in Hashem and then theyll go off and realize there is a Hashem and come back on.