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geordie613: I’m referring to the edited part. Sorry you can’t enjoy that.
Simcha 613 “The Queen- Are we so sure those things will end when Mashiach comes?”
I have no idea what life will be like when Moshiach comes. Better than Galus I’m sure.
The question was if people in certain locations were having it so “g’shmak” maybe they aren’t waiting for Moshiach.
My answer is that people aren’t having it so “g’shmak”. There is plenty of pain in our current “g’shmak” galus.
Acre (Akko) Israel
Nitra, Czechoslovakia
Ungvar, Hungary
I hope you are joking. All these locations don’t have divorces? Babies with cancer? People without parnassah? Young girls driving into rivers?
Katowice, Poland
Reb Mendel M’Riminov said that saying Parshas Ha’monn (Shneyim Mikroh V’Echod Targum) on Tuesday Parshas B’Shalach, is a Segulah for Parnasah. (Tuesday Parshas B’Shalach this year is January 19th)
Most of the places that start with an X are in China.
Xian (China, where else?)
I should think that with a title Rav, it would imply smicha too.
Esfahan (Iran)
I guess I can answer for Joseph’s post.
Ube (Japan)
charliehall: “Well the first Rashi in the Torah does say that the first 61 chapters in the Torah are primarily to remind ourselves that the Land of Israel is ours.”
I am not implying that it is not a mitzvah in the torah chas veshalom. As a matter of fact, my brother in law who is a dayan in Minchas Yitzchok Jerusalem, told me that for a person who lives in Eretz Yisrael, you can’t simply leave, you have to have a reason, like a shidduch, health reasons or parnossah. What I am saying is that every mitzvah in the torah is precious. You can’t pick and choose the ones you like. The point of Zionism was that by living in Eretz Yisrael, you can discard the rest of the Torah.
There are different mitzvos that different segments of klal yisrael are more makpid on them. Frum Zionists are makpid on Yishuv Eretz Yisrael, other segments chose, limud HaTorah, or Tznius, or Chesed.
My point being that you can’t choose 1 mitzva out of 613 make it your pet project and then expect every yid in klal yisrael to adopt that particular mitzvah as their pet project. There are 12 Shevatim in klal yisrael.
Just a dumb meaningless debate, but yeah thanks.
Dachau (Germany) (Shudder)
Thank you for your post.
Kagan (Uzbekistan)
Aleppo (Syria)
geordie: No not HM QE2, I have my own local kingdom B”H.
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First there was the Pizza truck and later it became a store.
“Population growth is natural and everyone needs a place to live.”
I do wish though that the zoning laws weren’t changed so drastically and people spread out to accommodate growth rather than squish together, creating the current monstrosity.
Joseph: Lets put away the age thing. You are right – I have no idea how old any of you are. (although he would be writing from an old age home if he were double my age 🙂
As for the chinuch he received, I can only go by his words.
Having said that, I would probably be good neighbors with any of you if you lived in my neighborhood. No offense to anyone. I can respect anyone’s view as long as it isn’t an issur min hatorah.
My point being, respecting another person’s way of life is waaaay more important than trying to make people over to fit your view.
simcha613: Don’t bother. Health isn’t changing his mind. Both you and health need to learn to respect another person’s view and live your life the way you see fit, without trying to convince others that your way is the best or only way to serve Hashem.
Health: I’m probably double your age. My best friend belongs to your shita as well as my close neighbor and family members. I know the “shita”. I’ve been called “agidisten tziyonisten” by frum women who don’t know me, but grew up with the same chinuch you received.
The point being it is time to end the hate fest and come together, whatever our differences so we can finally bring Moshiach.
Regarding the pro Zionists: I have a problem with parents taking young children to live in areas which are clearly dangerous in their zeal for Yishuv Eretz Yisrael.
Squeak: You should probably try to broaden your definition of heimish yidden.
squeak: Did you know that there is a chassidishe kollel in Baltimore?
Zehavasdad: And how many yidden were stabbed in Baltimore?
Rabbi: I am not praising or dismissing anyone. I am simply stating facts the way I see them without taking sides in this debate.
The way I see it is:
First of all, whatever happens and happened in Eretz Yisrael is Hashem’s will. Nothing happens without the will of Hashem. That is premise number 1.
The Israeli army is fighting to protect Yidden and the soldiers deserve our tefillos. The soldiers are putting themselves in harms way for people living in Meah Shearim too.
Having said that: The only reason the army can protect the yidden, is because Hashem wills it. Naturally with the amount of enemies surrounding Israel, Israel should’ve been gone by now. In reality Hashem is fighting the wars for us.
The anti Zionist group, had a point in the 40’s and 50’s when the Zionists were kidnapping Teimene babies, and cutting their peyos off in absorption centers. In those days the Zionists were definitely trying to create a G-D-less country, and the Anti Zionists took on the role of the Maccabees with the cry of Mee LaHashem Ailye.
Today, most of the old guard Anti – G-d Zionists are dead. There still are some of them like Tommy Lapid. However, most of the yidden in Eretz Yisrael even the frei yidden, believe in G-D, Fast on Yom Kippur and are looking for direction. Most are tikonos shenishba and it behooves frum Jews to be them mekarev, not to hate them.
What I disagree with from both sides of this debate is:
The Pro Zionists have made yishuv Eretz Yisrael into the first and foremost mitzvah in the Torah. The fact is that if it would be mandatory for yidden in diaspora according to the Torah, to live in Eretz Yisrael, you wouldn’t find Gedolim in Diaspora and you do.
The anti Zionists have made anti Zionism their Torah. And while it had a place in the past, it is time to get with the times. It isn’t relevant anymore. Yes there are Frei Yidden in charge of the Medina. However, as mentioned most of them in year 2016 are simply tinokos shenishba. The time to hate them is gone. It’s time to be them mekarev to yiddishkeit.
Joseph: “You crossed a line there. DY was not taught to hate anyone, let alone it being his Torah.” I’m sorry if I misread him. He seems from his post anti (a hater of)Zionist. My apologies.
Elazar: I have close family living in Israel. I am not making up the fear. I also read the news of all the stabbings happening. Remember Har Nof??
Your hislahavas for the mitzvah of yishuv Eretz Yisrael is commendable.
Rabbi: Thank you for the compliment. I’ll keep you guessing. How many people were killed in Crown Heights? How many in Har Nof? How many stabbing incidents of Heimishe Yidden do you know of in Diaspora in the last several years? How many in Israel?
Live and let live, in whichever country you so choose.
“In America one cannot even go to a shopping mall or an office party without fear”
False.
By America, I don’t mean China town or Harlem, sir. There is no fear or homicides in the heimishe areas.
Avi K: Who am I to argue with Rav Ovadia?
Basmelechpenim: People like Dassyochid were taught from birth to hate Zionists. It is their Torah. No one is going to change that ever. This is what they learn in school. They actually have tests about it in school. (I saw the test).
Nothing you will say is going to change that. It will be more beneficial for all sides to concentrate on loving your fellow Jew, regardless of your differences.
If what you are so passionate about is bringing all Jews to Eretz Yisrael, and Moshiach, then do yourself a favor and leave it alone. Talk about something you can agree on.
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” It makes my blood boil “
Calm down. It isn’t good for your health.
“Did you realize that the only reason it’s even possible to live or go on vacation there is because the the incredible, selfless soldiers of ??? who defend and protect the state”
Do you think that soldiers can protect the state? It’s Hashem who is protecting Eretz Yisrael. Don’t be fooled.
There is a book by Yisrael Neuberger, I forget the title, it’s his vision of how it will be when Moshiach comes, with eagle rides, (very soft feathers, nice ride) for meals add your own imagination…
DY: I am hoping to Chap a ride on an eagle.
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(slow hartzig music)
“What is the excuse for staying in the tumah of Eretz haamim once one can make a safe journey to Eretz Israel, the land under direct hashgacha from Hashem, which he watches from the beginning of the year until its end? “
Being in Eretz Yisrael is arguably not safe. I know people who cancelled trips to Israel due to the matzav.
Can you please point me to where it says in the Torah that Yidden are mechuyav to live in Eretz Yisrael before Mashiach comes?
I think that the pro Israel and Anti Israel factions can agree that Shalom will hasten the Geula and not endless debating over who is right.
It doesn’t matter who is right. Ailu VeAilu divrei Elokim Chaim (if you are listening to the views of your daas Torah.)
” I agree with you, though I do like my block with its single-family homes with yards. “
I like my block with single family homes as well 🙂 I HATE the jungle of buildings that have sprung up in recent years. Not the people living in the homes… and there was no pizza shop. there was a pizza truck – Kleins. I believe that Bais Yaakov on Smolley Drive was also in existence way back as well as Bais Medrash Elyon, which also had chasidish and litvish talmidim. Unfortunately my grandparents have passed on so technically they are not living here anymore…
rabbi:”What you write is irrelevant.”
I don’t think it is irrelevant to people who have lost their lives or loved ones to terror in the past few months. I am not having an ideological debate here. I am talking basic safety.
rabbi: “To “TheQueen”, a new member of the unholy club:”
I will thank you for not affiliating me with any clubs. I have merely stated the facts as they stand today. I know very well what happened in Hungary, my family was decimated on Shevuos together with the rest of the yidden of Hungary.
That doesn’t change the fact that my Sisters in Israel are afraid to go to Main street in Jerusalem to do their shopping for fear of being stabbed. And I am not saying this out of ideological convictions. I don’t belong to Satmar.
writersoul: “I’m a second-generation Monsey resident, from a family here long before the chassidim came.”
My family has 5 generations living in Monsey. Chasidim all. And we love all our chasidishe, litvishe, sfardishe, teimene, neighbors as long as they don’t litter.
There isn’t anything we can do about what happened in the 1930s and 1940s. Neither can we do anything about the motives of people long dead. Welcome to year 2016. What will you do today to make the world a better place to live in? Inside or outside of Eretz Yisrael.
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“Compared to most places that have significant numbers of Jews (US, Canada, UK, Australia), Israel statistically has more risks of anti-Jewish attacks, killings and wars than such anti-Jewish attacks elsewhere.”
This is at present a FACT unfortunately.
“Only seventy five years ago, six million Jews were murdered “outside of israel” Before that, for many centuries,jews were killed,banished, expelled from a multitude of countries -try Russia, France, Spain,etc-“outside of israel”
True. However right now, the facts on the ground are such that there are countries outside of Israel that have less terror than Israel. If you put aside for a minute your “beliefs” and think purely about safety, you are less likely to be looking over your shoulder walking down Avenue USA or Canada than Ave Jerusalem. It is the unfortunate truth, whatever side of the great divide you belong to.
Joseph: True. Nevertheless, if given the choice to live in Iran or Eretz Yisrael, which would you choose? and why?
OK Health, you win. Iran is a better place to live. Why aren’t you moving to Iran? They aren’t killing Jews there.