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VBL: Any thoughts on my most recent comment to you?
HaLeiVi: Israeli Nationalism is the Zionism of today that is the ideology and movement claiming to supplant Yiddishkeit, and capturing people’s imagination, much the same way as pre-State Zionism.
Five times the same ingredients you’d use if making for a crowd of 10.
Dorah: Were the fakes of Trump and Schumer realistic enough that an average intelligent person (not up to speed regarding AI) would likely think the videos were real?
VBL: If someone lives in a warzone (1914 Europe, 1938 Europe, 1948 Palestine, 1967 Israel, etc) he shouldn’t worry? He can worry and due to his worrying daven intensely.
AI, of course, doesn’t rise to the level of war. In fact, I don’t think there’s what to worry about regarding AI that some of the experts are warning about. But in principle, why shouldn’t people worry about general dangers, if warranted?
HaLeiVi: You could, more or less, rewrite your comment to be about the Reform (instead of Zionism.)
VBL: Of course the answer is Hashem. As we must daven to Hashem to protect us. But is that a reason not to be worried (as you concluded in your OP)?
DM: “The rulers of the area agreed to the land being a Jewish homeland.”
That is inaccurate. The United Kingdom abstained in the vote in the UN General Assembly in November 1947 for the Partition Plan for Palestine, which included a proposal for the establishment of a Jewish State in a part of the British Mandate territory.
Furthermore, the Israelis took more land than was even offered.
Ray K: Agreed. But that point is dead obvious. You’d think it was self-explanatory and hardly needed to be pointed out. Which is why it is perplexing that some otherwise intelligent computer scientists are seriously worried that AGI will destroy (as in physically kill) humanity.
VBL: Yes, that’s what I was addressing.
Note that there’s a difference between “computers take over the world” (and “and I’m not worried about AI”), that you said in your OP, and “artificial general intelligence could lead to an artificial intelligence catastrophe.” A catastrophe is possible short of AI taking over the world and even granting that Hashem runs the world.
Participant: You need to type your new password twice and they must match.
A good number, though certainly not a majority, of AI technologists believe that the development of AGI will lead to the technology operating independently from any human intervention, which can pose a lethal threat to humans. Within those who subscribe to that notion, there’s a sub-debate how rapidly such capabilities will start appearing in the marketplace. Some think within a few short years while others think it’s decades away.
Unless someone had been paying very close attention to the very recent rapid advancement in AI technology and capabilities, one would not be aware that it has progressed to the point that today the top AI programmers who are creating these newly released technologies themselves are surprised by its capabilities and themselves do not fully understand how their AI creations obtained many of its abilities.
The industry is anticipating that in the future, possibly near future, they will release what is called AGI — Artificial General Intelligence.
In 1938, in Los Angeles, the Kossoner Rebbe, Rav Moshe Shmuel Rottenberg (who had previously been Rebbe in the Kloiz in Kisvarda) made a Lag B’Omer bonfire. I saw an image of the invitation to it. The invitation also referenced that he did it the previous year, so this wasn’t his first year doing it in Los Angeles.
The Kossoner moved to America in the 1930s, at which point the Salkaver Rov from Tiszaszalka, Rav Roth, took over his position in the Kloiz in Kisvarda.
ames was a terrific member with tons of excellent posts. It was really sad for it to all be removed. She requested it be deleted because of a silly worry.
CA: An old timer poster “ames” managed to delete virtually all her voluminous posts, about two years worth. But she had, let us say, some inside help.
Neville: You’ll also need to change it to a fictitious email in order to prevent yourself from doing a password reset.
N0m: The old Flatbush eiruv from the 1970s was built by the MO and the MO were the only ones that used it. Rav Moshe was opposed to it.
Neville: You remember illini07? He was from the pre-CR days when there was only the main site. When the CR started in the summer of 2008 he was from the first posters here. (In fact, his last post was directed to me.)
Any old timer will surely remember this classical thread:
Eight highly active far-left-wing posters [from a Torah perspective] (all of whom were active on both the main site and the new CR) were identified in the OP. And they weren’t the only ones.
The Modern Orthodox built an Eruv in Flatbush, that only the MO used, during Rav Moshe’s lifetime. In the 1970s, about.
You can do avoda zora for darkei shalom?! You have to die rather than do avoda zora!
ubiq,: I’m glad to see that you still have that Pintele Yid in you.
Neville: Every Ben Torah has a little bit Joseph in them.
Kiryas Yoel
A July 29, 1981 JTA news wire states that Chief Rabbi Immanuel Jakobovits did NOT attend the church service wedding of Charles and Diana.
mentsch: This isn’t an isolated incident. This same Chief Rabbi has in the past expressed public support for toeiva practitioners as well as having taken other positions anathema to the Torah.
Neville: Thank you for this post. You have said everything that needs to be said.
And welcome back.
DaMoshe: Without addressing your claim, since it is irrelevant to this case for the following reason, the official invitations sent to everyone authorized to attend the coronation specifically says:
“… The Earl Marshall is directed to invite Mr. John Doe to be present… “
(Replace John Doe with the invitees name.)
It does NOT whatsoever “command” the invitee to attend.
mentsch1: Yes, it absolutely is hard to believe that this was done by many chashuv rabbanim throughout history, because it simply never was. No chashuv rabbanim have attended a Christian prayer service in a Christian church where they bow down to yushke and pray to him. No matter what the reason or excuse. No matter if it was the King himself who directly ordered him to or not.
Do you remember the story of Chana and her seven sons? Jews do not enter the sanctuary of a church for a prayer to Avoda Zora.
Throughout history Yidden have rather given up their lives and allowed themselves to be killed rather than do such a horrendous thing.
The British coronation service was in the main sanctuary of the church.
smerel: That’s untrue. They have not been doing this for 150 years. It is a recent thing.
Additionally, the prohibition is to even enter a church when there are no services. But the coronation as well as weddings and funerals are official Christian church service, replete with Christian prayers and bowing to yushke. It is not a secular service.
Camilla was coronated today, with her official title henceforth being Queen Camilla, and styled “Her Majesty The Queen”.
DaMoshe: Even according to the shittas you quoted, you cannot disregard right is left, etc. You cannot decide to ignore it and not question the Rov. You must ask him for clarification based on your objection. And follow right is left, etc. if he continues to insist that you do.
hoo hoo: What’s Brooklyn have to do with it, regarding this, that you’re differentiating Brooklyn?
Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau and Suffolk are all part of the same one land mass.
How’s this different than the Boro Park Eruv built 24 years ago or the Flatbush Eruv built 50 years ago?
Chinese people eat dog meat.
What does the donor lose or what is the cost to him (not financial, other)?
BTW, even under the original plan when she got married the Palace announced that Camilla “intended” to use the title Duchess rather than Queen upon Charles ascension, when had they stuck to that intention Camilla would still have legally been Queen. The announced intention was only that Camilla would only publicly advertise herself as duchess even though she*was* Queen. After the ascension she immediately advertised herself with her higher title of Queen Consort, per Queen Elizabeth’s “fervent desire” that she announced about a year before her passing. And now with the coronation the Palace is simply calling her Queen Camilla, without reference to Consort. Which is in line with how traditionally the British Queen Consorts have not used Consort as part of their title as Queen.
CS, again, Rambam very clearly and explicitly declares Christianity to be avoda zora for goyim.
CS, and, as i mentioned, rambam specifically writes that Christianity, whether you call it shituf or not, is avoda zora.
CS, the Noda B’Yehuda wires that shituf is avoda zora even for a Goy.
CS, Christians are akum, worshipping avoda zora. It says so specifically in Rambam.
Fish juice.
There are no covid vaccination requirements. You can be totally unvaccinated.
The one excellent outcome, certainly, is that the adulteress Diana never got the undeserved title of Queen that she strongly coveted.
College today is 1,000 times worse than 50 years ago, when the Gedolei Yisroel, even back then, said it is forbidden.
Jackk: Hilary was a bigger political nobody when she used her last name and husband to run for the Senate.
This Kennedy is a lot better than Ted Kennedy ever was.