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Rocky: Even the OOT communities that are treading water and holding a steady frum population, often are simply experiencing no rate of growth, despite the obvious fact that the frum community B”H has a strong population growth rate. This is because even in those OOT communities many (even if not all) of the younger and newlyweds move to the Lakewood area.
AAQ: I include all the surrounding neighborhoods (including Toms River and Jackson among others) in my description of “Lakewood”. And the Greater Lakewood area (if you prefer that description) has been draining the populations of most out of town American communities, for the last 20+ some odd years. OOT frum communities over the last approximately 20 years have been hemorrhaging in either a decline or flat population (when frum population growth would typically increase the population.)
Is it still a possibility, at least theoretically, for Chabad Lubavitch to install a new Rebbe?
The reality of the last twenty plus years is that Lakewood has been draining the frum populations of most out of town communities, which are either smaller or simply flat population-wise.
Anyone who came pre-48 generally did so without their emigration being facilitated by the Zionists. So the Zionists argument that they owe allegiance is clearly false.
Many who came after 1948, also, did so without it being due to the Zionists. Just like those before 1948, who came despite the Zionists, not because of them.
Most of the Zionists themselves came after 1948.
The Ran in Nedarim paskens l’halacha that the halacha of dina d’malchusa dina does NOT apply in Eretz Yisroel, since the basis of the halacha is that the local country granted the right for its Jews to live in their land, therefore the Jews must obey the law of that land. Whereas, paskens the Ran, in Eretz Yisroel every Jew in the world has a G-d given right to live there, therefore they do not owe anything to the now current local rulers of Eretz Yisroel; and as such there’s no applicable dina d’malchusa dina in Eretz Yisroel.
I have the same problem with my Lamborghini.
Young Israel Talmud Torah of Flatbush, 1305 Coney Island Ave.
DaMoshe: Anyone who was hurt is included; you weren’t (despite your pretenses), so it isn’t applicable.
ZSK: Either you’re wildly confusing me with someone else or you’re pulling all those fictitious claims out of your hat. In fact, I hardly ever even discuss the DL community.
In any event, I’ll open a new thread to continue pointing out both your prevarications and won’t be addressing it in this thread any further, in order to keep this thread for its original and positive intent for grace, which you both are trying to invalidate with the opposite. You can continue such discussion in the new thread, if you expect a response.
AAQ: If a country makes an agreement with a group, future governments cannot unilaterally revoke it.
Think of the American government agreements with the Native Americans (better known as Indians). The US can’t cancel it today and say they aren’t bound by the American government that agreed to it 100, 75 or 50 years ago.
Like the Indians in America, the Chareidim predate, by far, the Zionists in living in Eretz Yisroel.
*save
Better to have one Yehudi than ten nochrim.
The anti-Zionists posters are the *only* Jews. The Zionist apikorsus spewed is anti-Jewish are certainly from either Goyim or outright heretics.
DaMoshe/ZSK: My message wasn’t addressed to either of you, as I’ve done you no wrongs (real or even perceived). No need to flatter yourselves.
Asking mechila for any real or perceived slights or misunderstanding or whatever anyone may have been hurt from by me.
I am mochel those who feel they need or wish it, whether necessary or not.
Yes.
The Zionist Army isn’t worthy of them. They are opposed up Znus, whereas the IDF values Znus and engages in it in a widespread manner.
Maran R’ Shteinman Tells Yeshiva Student To ‘Go To India’ Instead Of IDF
Yeshiva student visited with HaGaon HaRav Aaron Yehuda Leib Shteinman Shlita seeking the Gadol Hador’s advice as he feels he can no longer remain in beis medrash, lacking fulfillment from his learning as he explained his situation. According to a Kikar Shabbat report, the young man asked what his next step in life should be, explaining to the rav he is considering enlistment into the IDF as an option.
The rav took the young man by surprise to put it mildly, instructing him “travel to India” in response to his thoughts of joining the IDF.
ubiq — Furthermore, in practice, like most things, the vast majority of Torah observant Klal Yisroel absolutely does follow Rav Moshe on this. Even the Young Israel shuls that used to have an open parking lot on Shabbos have all long closed them. There was one Young Israel in Las Vegas that was at one point the last Young Israel in the country that had it.
None2.0: Jews are obligated to censor themselves. And to censor others who fail to censor themselves.
At least if you’re an Orthodox Torah-observant Jew.
Yankel: All those Arab behaviors you’re describing started after that advent of Zionism and the Zionist agitation to take over political control of Palestine.
ubiq: Do you pull this stuff out of a hat or simply make it up as you go along?
Rav Shlomo Zalman does NOT permit it whatsoever. All he permits is inviting someone on Shabbos IF you offer him a place to sleep so that he doesn’t have to be Mechallel Shabbos to come. He does NOT permit renting a parking lot so people can drive there on Shabbos, like AAQ and his father wanted.
Do you really fail to see the huge, tremendous and significant difference?
And Rav Ahron Leib holds exactly as Rav Moshe.