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Plan C – A Response to the Open Letter from the Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders:
What if G- D Forbid Golus State of Israel ends like 100% of the other goluses??? The Zionist State is in Golus, too. In fact, everywhere on earth today is in Golus?
Did you hear of something called October 7? That occurred in Golus State of Israel.
Since the existence of the State is Israel, more Jews have been killed for being Jews in the State of Israel than the entire rest of the world combined.
Teretz? Only DAVENING helps. Nothing else.
Sincerely,
The Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders
The Mishpacha in Israel and in America are owned by the same person. And they both share articles (translated).
Rav Elyashiv never signed anything he didn’t mean to.
Just Visiting: If the thread was started by @147, it would have said exactly that.
Besalel: You’re basically correct but Sliwa would have to pull out of the race completely to give Cuomo a chance to win. In the absence of that happening, and Sliwa has given every indication he’s a kamikaze till the end, Mamdani is going to win. (Even if Sliwa does pull out the odds favor Mamdani.)
It’s more notable if there’s ever a case of someone r’l going into the IDF frum and coming out (even somewhat) frum.
The other direction, as the title of this thread discusses, is r’l the expected and default.
Mishpacha and Ami are left-wing rags. Both always have been that since the very first issues the each published.
Welcome back, Jothar!
Rocky: Even the OOT communities that are treading water and holding a steady frum population, often are simply experiencing no rate of growth, despite the obvious fact that the frum community B”H has a strong population growth rate. This is because even in those OOT communities many (even if not all) of the younger and newlyweds move to the Lakewood area.
AAQ: I include all the surrounding neighborhoods (including Toms River and Jackson among others) in my description of “Lakewood”. And the Greater Lakewood area (if you prefer that description) has been draining the populations of most out of town American communities, for the last 20+ some odd years. OOT frum communities over the last approximately 20 years have been hemorrhaging in either a decline or flat population (when frum population growth would typically increase the population.)
Is it still a possibility, at least theoretically, for Chabad Lubavitch to install a new Rebbe?
The reality of the last twenty plus years is that Lakewood has been draining the frum populations of most out of town communities, which are either smaller or simply flat population-wise.
Anyone who came pre-48 generally did so without their emigration being facilitated by the Zionists. So the Zionists argument that they owe allegiance is clearly false.
Many who came after 1948, also, did so without it being due to the Zionists. Just like those before 1948, who came despite the Zionists, not because of them.
Most of the Zionists themselves came after 1948.
The Ran in Nedarim paskens l’halacha that the halacha of dina d’malchusa dina does NOT apply in Eretz Yisroel, since the basis of the halacha is that the local country granted the right for its Jews to live in their land, therefore the Jews must obey the law of that land. Whereas, paskens the Ran, in Eretz Yisroel every Jew in the world has a G-d given right to live there, therefore they do not owe anything to the now current local rulers of Eretz Yisroel; and as such there’s no applicable dina d’malchusa dina in Eretz Yisroel.
I have the same problem with my Lamborghini.
Young Israel Talmud Torah of Flatbush, 1305 Coney Island Ave.
DaMoshe: Anyone who was hurt is included; you weren’t (despite your pretenses), so it isn’t applicable.
ZSK: Either you’re wildly confusing me with someone else or you’re pulling all those fictitious claims out of your hat. In fact, I hardly ever even discuss the DL community.
In any event, I’ll open a new thread to continue pointing out both your prevarications and won’t be addressing it in this thread any further, in order to keep this thread for its original and positive intent for grace, which you both are trying to invalidate with the opposite. You can continue such discussion in the new thread, if you expect a response.
AAQ: If a country makes an agreement with a group, future governments cannot unilaterally revoke it.
Think of the American government agreements with the Native Americans (better known as Indians). The US can’t cancel it today and say they aren’t bound by the American government that agreed to it 100, 75 or 50 years ago.
Like the Indians in America, the Chareidim predate, by far, the Zionists in living in Eretz Yisroel.
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