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YYA: Yes; but putting simple quotation marks around your quotes is quick and easy (unlike using bold or italics).
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To use bold first put the character ” < ” then put the word “strong” then put the character ” > ” then put the word or words or sentence that you wish to appear bold.
After the word/words/sentence that you want bolded put the character ” < ” then put “/strong” then put the character ” > ”
Do not use any spaces (and do not use any of the quotation marks I used above when explaining) between the character before or after the word strong.
To use italics do exactly the same as above but instead of “strong” use “em” (and “/em”)
YYA:
Please put quotation marks around any quote you repost from another poster.
Otherwise readers will mistakenly attribute to you when you are quoting other people (even though you intend to disagree with them).
And, again, for the umpteenth time both Yaakov and Yankel attribute to me what they confused from hearing by others even though I said nothing. In fact, other than one minor comment pointing out the context of someone’s comment, I hadn’t even posted in this thread.
Yankel: Those are individual strategies, with purposes, that do not indicate whatsoever that HaGaon HaRav Menachem Man Shach in any way believed or supported the idea that Chareidi bochorim who are NOT learning should enlist.
The reason disallowing non-learners from regiatering as a learner, is totally obvious: not to risk having the secular government take it away altogether, even from learners, by claiming it is being abused.
And the license issue is also quite obvious; there legally they could be exempted at no cost to anyone else. But the Gedolim were so strong against being licensed that they threatened bochorim who did contemplate getting licensed against the directives of Gedolei Yisroel, something much much worse — being forced into the IDF.
That was successful in stopping those thinking of it from getting licensed; no one wanted to go to the army.
No one is seeking ZSK’s “admission”, as coming from someone with demonstrable krum worldviews, it wouldn’t be worth the paper (or pixels) it is written on.
ZSK even got the very basic facts wrong. The Sephardic rabbis leadership at JTS was quite brief. It completely ended in 1902 when Solomon Schechter, another non-Orthodox apikorus, took the leadership at JTS. Yes, that was 1902; and no one ever considered JTS to be Orthodox any time thereafter. That was long long before apikorus Lieberman joined that openly treif institution.
Faur was a marginal figure in JTS (who quit it in disgust); he and Dimitrovsky (who was not Orthodox) were simply professors there and neither were part of the leadership.
Reform was dominant already in the 19th and early 20th century. By time the Conservatives became larger than them (much later; and which only lasted a relatively brief period), both movements were fully apikorsum.
The European Shtetl may have been materially a difficult place to live, but spiritually it was far far above and beyond any alternative. Better spirituality than materialism. And the churban in Europe was a physicaly one; spiritually it is the direct and unambiguous cause for the renaissance of Torah Judaism in America with the arrival of the European Torah sages to the shores in America.
This is a complete lie, falsehood, canard and fiction. The Chazon Ish and Rav Elazar Menachem Man Shach never ever supported Chareidi men — even though who are NOT learning Torah — from routinely enlisting in the IDF.
The Chazon Ish objection to IDF service was based the army being a secularizing “melting pot” that is an environment as a place of shmad and spiritual destruction, with mandatory exposure to secular culture, non-observance and Shabbos desecration.
All the so-called “Hareidi units” aren’t Hareidi. They are 90+% dati leumi/religious Zionists; and a small minority of mostly OTD Hareidim.
I’m not comparing the two, but rather making a broader point. Saul Lieberman was also a so-called “talmid chochom”. Yet Mr. Lieberman was an apikorus. Being very book smart (in Jewish holy books) doesn’t mean much in some cases.
WB 147! Your immoral words of pure wisdom have been absent from these hallowed pages for nearly two years.
Yes, I was correct:
Country Yossi?
Some of the Gedolim agree to paying lip service to “quotas” which are tacitly understood to be filled mainly by shababniks, OTD, Chardakim, etc. who “are anyway being mechalel Shabbos and doing issurei kares”… (It is known in the Chareidi world who said that.) Others disagree even with that. There is a difference between “not learning” and “mechalel Shabbos” (“Issurei kares” means having a GF if you didn’t understand.)
It’s hardly a secret that was said by HaGaon HaRav Ahron Leib Shteinman. It was widely and publicly reported at the time:
Recently Released Letter By Maran HaRav SHteinman To Hagon HaRav Don Segal Regarding Nachal Charedi
YYA: Every secular, Reform and Conservative Jew, virtually anywhere in the world, also, had frum great grandparents, not too long ago.
Evalimoshavlo: Israel is part of Golus. You can’t leave Golus before Moshiach comes.
anonymous Goy: Do you eat chazer?
Chizuk? Don’t worry; you’re in the Five Towns. When Mamdani rounds up the Jews to put them into concentration camps, he won’t be able to reach you.
mdd, like YYA pointed out to you — Satmar (and Brisk, Toldos Ahron, the Eidah HaChareidus and a number of others) never accepted Israeli government funding, ever, to begin with. Since 1948. And they are all still around. And thriving.
If the Yeshiva velt, the Litvaks, other Chasidim, etc need to give up every penny of Israeli government funding to keep the government out of our business and keep us our of their treife army, we’ll all give up every penny from their government and still stay far far away from the tuma army.
I do a write in vote for any office that there’s no Republican or Conservative candidate. (With a tiny number of exceptions, sometimes.)
mdd1: I would like to hear your opinion on the question of should shvach bochorim be completely and entirely exempt from army service, given the fact of how so so many shvach bochorim enlist in the IDF while observant but by time they’re discharged from service they’re frei.
Yes or no, Reb mdd?
Democracy is not a Jewish concept. Judaism supports a monarchy that’s a Jewish theocracy.
The statistics I’ve seen was around the 50% mark as the figure of RZ/DL enlistees in the IDF that come out frei.
You should submit this as your thesis for your Master’s.