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The Halacha is very clear and explicit. If someone isn’t frum, Beis Din is obligated to beat him senseless, if necessary, until he becomes frum.
Meir, you can’t mix/compare Litvish and Chasidish.
YO (Ye?), Name which “many rabbonim and tzadikim” you’re referring to, big shot. We both know that you won’t be able to name even one mainstream rabbi, since it is non-existent, let alone “many rabbonim and tzadikim”.
“I mean of course you cant force people to become frum”
Yes you can force people to become frum. Indeed, we’re obligated to force people to become frum.
Perhaps what you meant to write is that since the Goyim and the Frei control the governments and make the laws they use those tools to stop us from forcing people to become frum, as we’re required to do. But, certainly, under proper circumstances we can and should force people to become frum.
Of course they should know Loshon Kodesh (not Ivrit.). But they should not speak Loshon Kodesh (and certainly not Ivrit.)
Shlomo: The Marriott, the Sheraton and the Hyatt are also frequented by the frum oilem including many choshuv Rabbonim. That doesn’t mean any of them could or should get a hechsher.
MOISHE PLOTNICK’S CHINESE LAUNDRY
Walking through San Francisco’s Chinatown, a tourist from the Midwest was fascinated with all the Chinese restaurants, shops, signs and banners. He turned a corner and saw a building with the sign “Moishe Plotnik’s Chinese Laundry.”
“Moishe Plotnik?” he wondered. “How does that fit in Chinatown?”
So he walked into the shop and saw a fairly standard looking Chinese laundry. He could see that the proprietors were clearly aware of the uniqueness of the name as there were baseball hats, T-shirts and coffee mugs emblazoned with the logo “Moishe Plotnik’s Chinese Laundry.” There was also a fair selection of Chinatown souvenirs, indicating that the name alone had brought many tourists into the shop.
The tourist selected a coffee cup as a conversation piece to take back to his office. Behind the counter was a smiling old Chinese gentleman who thanked him for his purchase. The tourist asked, “Can you tell me how this place got a name like “Moishe Plotnik’s Chinese Laundry?” The old man answered, “Ahh… Everybody asks me that. It’s the name of the owner.”
Looking around, the tourist asked, “Is he here now?” “He is right here,” replied the old man.
“He is me.”“Really? You’re Chinese. How did you ever get a name like Moishe Plotnik?”
“Is simple,” said the old man. “Many, many years ago when I came to this country, I was standing in line at the documentation center. The man in front of me was a Jewish gentleman from Poland.
The lady at the counter looked at him and said, “What is your name?” He said, ” Moishe Plotnik.”Then she looked at me and said, “What is your name?” I said, “Sam Ting.”
YO: Are you still an adherent of Avi Weiss’ OO?
“Whose life would have been saved had the Warsaw Ghetto uprising not happened?”
Potentially any life lost when the Nazis razed the ghetto, and whoever was in it, to the ground.
America was winning in Vietnam. But Americans got tired of losing American servicemen.
The Warsaw Ghetto uprising was foolhardy from the start, never had a chance and caused needless Jewish deaths as a result.
The Nazis did what they did despite the “partisans” making armed resistance. The Nazis killed 10 in revenge for every one of theirs killed by a partisan.
We don’t even reach the ankles of our Elter Zeidas and Bubbes in Yiddishkeit.
uno: Don’t be a fool. If Jews were armed in Europe, they couldn’t outshoot the Nazis.
Reb Eliezer, so you believe government programs/hand outs should be time limited for use only as a temporary springboard period?
Yay.
Yseribus: “Headlines” are your Toras Moshe MiSinai? The New York Times is your bible? You believe everything you read? All the headlines and media articles start with a presumption of being misleading, biased and very possibly outright untruthful.
Now you are arguing who wants to give *more* welfare money versus who thinks a lesser dollar figure is the appropriate amount of welfare. That is a completely different question than your previous false assertion that one party ever proposed to completely eliminate welfare, food stamps, Medicaid or Medicare. If Republicans want to fund, let’s hypothetically say, $500 billion a year for welfare whereas Democrats want to fund it with $600 billion, that doesn’t make Democrats better. Otherwise, if someone else proposes to fund it for $700 billion, suddenly the Democrats are the bad guys.
Yseribus: What you are writing is a complete falsehood. Republicans voted to fund Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, WIC, etc.
alanschwartz: Why would you encourage anyone to stop reading the Torah from a Godol HaDor? Would you rather he read the propaganda and falsehoods you find every day in the New York Times?
Yseribus: That’s a complete fabrication and falsehood. Republicans have consistently voted in favor of funding welfare.
moishele: The discussion here is about threats to Jews; not to democracy. In any event, the thousands of Far-Left Antifa terrorists and BLM anarchists burning cities and killing police officers and civilians across the US over many months where and are a far greater threat than the 150 rioters in DC one day in one place a year and a half ago.
The mainstream left accepts and honors their antisemites, such as those in the black community (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and numerous other fully accepted black Democrats) whereas the mainstream right rejects their antisemites. Furthermore, antisemitism is very large on the left whereas it is the fringe on the right. Additionally, the violence from the left, just look at all the reports in major cities of black violence against Jews in NY, NJ, etc., far far outnumbers the rare violence from the right against Jews.
This bais havaad is simply a financial-issues specialty Beis Din. This author has no particular specialty in medical issues.
“pour water from becher into wine bottle before kiddush”
It’s a very common minhag.
Coffee Addict: DaMoshe’s afraid to hear the answer they’ll give him. So he instead pretends they are very difficult to reach people, who are too busy for his 3 minute phone call, so he’ll put words in their mouth instead.
“The idea that Zelensky would send a rocket into Poland and then blame Russia for it in order to bring NATO into the war is far fetched.”
It’s hardly far fetched at all. Zelensky has been attempting to draw the United States and NATO into war against Russia, in what would effectively be World War III, since February. He made many such attempts, including trying to get NATO to establish a no fly zone and shoot down Russian pilots.
DaMoshe: I could easily get Rav Dovid Feinstein on the phone. Or Rav Shmuel Kamimetzky. He even picked up the phone himself 90% of the time without anyone else answering it for him. Or any number of other gedolim who are easily reachable.
I assume that Rabbi Bender doesn’t live in an Ivory Tower. What are you afraid of?
AAQ: You’ll happily purchase German cars as easily as you might purchase a Japanese car? After all, you say what the Germans did 75 years ago killing six million of your grandparents, brothers and sisters is irrelevant to today’s Germans.
Would you be crying in defense of Germany if France bombarded German cities and invaded it?
Avira, don’t expect him to call Rabbi Bender. He knows he’s wrong and he knows Rabbi Bender will tell him so, if he had the audacity to ask him. So instead he’ll continue playing the game that he’s sure he knows what Rabbi Bender would say, and to make you happy he’ll agree to ask him — when he meets him next, within the next year or two. Call him today? Interstate long distance calling charges between NJ and NY are apparently too expensive on his 1990s era landline.
All the folks named in the title are executive members of the Elders of Zion.
I’m surprised no one pointed this out yet.
DaMoshe: Rav Gav Friedman and Rav Hershel Schachter are on par with each other as far as gadlus.
Since you don’t rate gedolim, I’m sure you don’t disagree with this.
“likely assur” but maybe muttar, DaMoshe? Where do you get such chutzpah?
CS: Trump doesn’t have yiddishe grandchildren. A Reform conversion, even if he calls it “Orthodox”, is no more valid than any other Reform/Conservative “conversion”.
YO: As a self-loathing Ashkenazi who is envious of Sephardim, even though you completely do not understand a thing about Sephardim, you’ve blamed your having grown up Reform on your ancestors who ditched Torah observance. Yet your claims to have become a baal teshuva are belied by your disagreements with following Jewish law.
What’s so hard for you to pick up the phone and call Rabbi Bender?
North Korea is developing ICBMs that can carry nuclear payloads to American cities.
YO: You’re an ignoramus. The Rosh Yeshiva of Chaim Berlin, Rav Hunter zt’l, and the Satmar Rebbe zt’l we’re very close to each other.
“Taiwan is the #1 leader in semiconductor manufacturing worldwide. The US does not want China gaining dominance over such an important market… there is still a serious national interest for the US to defend Taiwan. North Korea isn’t the up and coming rival of the US the way China is.”
Marxist: America’s national interest would be much better served by the elimination of North Korea, via it being absorbed into South Korea, at the trade-off of granting China the benefits of acquiring Taiwan. North Korea is mortal nuclear threat to the world. Taiwan is, by comparison, only an economic advantage.
DaMoshe: Who do you think you’re kidding. You know as well as anyone that Modern Orthodoxy is split between the Left-Wing Modern Orthodox (LWMO) and the Right-Wing Modern Orthodox (RWMO). YU has both, both in the student body and in the faculty. Mr. Avi Weiss is as mainstream Modern Orthodox as anyone. He was a YU Rabbi and RCA member. He was with YU and the RCA as long as he wanted to be. They never threw him out. He only quit the RCA not long ago. Mr. Weiss’s so-called “synagogue” is STILL and official Orthodox Union shul and he an OU “rabbi”. The OO have always identified as MO, from long before the term OO even existed. And they’re claim to being MO is at least as strong as that of RWMO.
Furthermore, the LWMO is larger than the RWMO, in terms of adherents. This is mainly because the right of MO (which is still to the left of traditional Orthodoxy) split over the last 40-50 years, with most members either moving left to LWMO or completely irreligious or otherwise moving to the right, such as becoming Chareidim (most Chareidi shuls and Yeshivos in America have numerous former MO Jews.)
What accomplishments does Mrs. Obama have that anyone should vote for her to hold the nuclear suitcase? That she bakes great cookies?
Avira, Yasher Koach for explaining so well what Torah Judaism and Yiddishkeit really is, as opposed to the charlatans who attempt to redefine it to something other than what the RBS”O wants.
Fool. The Reform don’t have anyone to blame for their rishus, other than themselves.
AAQ: The United States and the United Nations both recognize the Beijing government as the legitimate government of China. The US and the UN do not recognize Taiwan. And the US does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan.
How many irreligious people became religious as a result?
“Does it ever occur to ask the people in Taiwan, which is a democracy, what they think?”
akuperma: Did the US care that the people of the South wanted to secede and form the Confederacy? Did it occur that the people of Crimea wanted to secede from Ukraine?
If we allow Taiwan to secede from China, there’s no stopping the secessionists today in Spain (where Catalonia has already voted to secede), France, Bosnia (Republika Srpska) and others from seceding.
Everyone, including Taiwan (whose legal name is the “Republic of China”), acknowledges that Beijing and Taiwan are both part of the same country.
The British acknowledged China’s right to Hong Kong when they returned to it to China in 1997, despite the Hong Kongese preferring British rule.
Compromise ideas for the Xi-Biden Summit.
Philosopher, keep up the great contributions. I stand behind all your comments here.
Welcome to Golus.
Avira, some of the big Chasiduses endorsed Hochul for the very reason you’re outlining.
MDD, is your comment directed to the OP/Jack?