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October 30, 2025 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2465843ujmParticipant
somejewiknow: Absolutely correct. That’s exactly the point I’m trying to convey. Thank you for putting it very succinctly.
Yaakov Yosef A: You’re familiar with all the talmidim? Two are Reb Moshe Cohen and Reb Yitzchok Katz.
ujmParticipantujmParticipantmdd1, I personally know a man who bit a dog.
It happens.
ujmParticipantujmParticipantujmParticipantsam4321, welcome back. Looooong time no see.
October 29, 2025 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2465542ujmParticipantYaakov: I’ve already asked talmidim of the Steipler Gaon. And every one I’ve asked agreed with every point I made in this thread regarding the Steipler and his love and full support of the Neteurei Karta.
ujmParticipantSimcha: The Zionists army deserves no hakoros hatov whatsoever. The Zionists triggered the last 75+ years of constant and endless wars and terrorism. They set the bed. Now they want those who aren’t responsible for their terrible problems to fix it for them. Let them fix it themselves.
ujmParticipantHow is wearing a lace shaitel any different than wearing a top that is designed to look like it’s your actual cleavage and chest, looking like you aren’t wearing any top at all?
ujmParticipantOctober 29, 2025 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2464618ujmParticipantYaakov: You’re missing the point. I’m not saying the Steipler supported protesting together with Goyim against Israel. My guess (I’m not certain) is that he was against that idea. But what I am saying is that, despite the Steipler possibly being against this idea or that action that the Neteurei Karta might have felt (based on the Rabbonim that HaRav Amrom Blau ztvkl consulted) was the proper approach (therefore disagreeing on a certain point with the Steipler), nevertheless the Steipler clearly believed that on the balance of things, despite any disagreement on more minor issues, that the Neteurei Karta were great tzadikim that Klal Yisroel needed and benefited from, and that broadcast to the world that Torah Jewry is diametrically opposed to Zionism.
ujmParticipantYaakov Yosef A:
“It’s just that the Chareidim can’t say out loud that they won’t serve altogether”
Why can’t the Chareidim say that out loud?
ujmParticipantThe so-called “Hareidi units” of the Zionist Army is 95% dati leumi and 5% OTD Hareidim.
October 28, 2025 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2464302ujmParticipantYankel: You lost your bet before you even made it.
ujmParticipantujmParticipantOctober 28, 2025 10:12 am at 10:12 am in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2464037ujmParticipantYaakov: You must’ve missed my post on the previous page of this thread where I pointed out that the Neteurei Karta — in the time of the Steipler Gaon — joined a protest with the Palestinian Liberation Organization headed by Yasser Arafat — at the United Nations.
And — yet — the Steipler Gaon wrote what he wrote, in high praise of the Neteurei Karta, despite that fact.
The Neteurei Karta in the time of the Steipler Gaon was just as kanoish as they are today.
ujmParticipantujmParticipantSimcha613: If an apikorus publicly advocates for apikorsus, then Hagaon HaRav Yitzchak Yosef is obligated to call out that apikoros’ apikorsus.
ujmParticipantOctober 27, 2025 9:44 am at 9:44 am in reply to: There are other Issues Affecting Jews besides Yeshiva Funding #2463565ujmParticipantPro-Zionism is today’s pro-Nazism.
You’re falling into the same trap as the Biryonim (בריונים) of Jerusalem.
October 27, 2025 9:44 am at 9:44 am in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2463563ujmParticipantYaakov: You can read for yourself what the Steipler Gaon said in high praise of the Neteurei Karta, as written in קריינא דאיגרתא, and directly quoted above in the Opening Post of this thread.
October 27, 2025 9:44 am at 9:44 am in reply to: Prospective giores looking for connections #2463564ujmParticipantI think becoming a Ben/Bas Noach (a Noahide), rather than converting to Judaism, would be a much smarter thing to pursue.
ujmParticipantSephardic Chief Rabbi Hagaon HaRav Yitzchak Yosef sharply criticized several Religious Zionist Roshei Yeshiva who attacked his recent remarks on the issue of drafting yeshiva Bochrim.
“There are some of them that if they would come to join a minyan, we would not count them,” Rav Yosef said. “They are considered apikorsim.”
The Chief Rabbi also singled out Rabbi Tamir Granot, a Rosh Yeshiva at a Hesder Yeshiva who has publicly called for drafting Chareidim.
“There is one ‘rabbi’ — I don’t even know if he’s a rabbi — a Rosh Yeshiva of a Hesder Yeshiva, who goes on television to speak against us,” Rav Yosef said. “Does he not fear the sin of degrading talmidei chachamim?”
He added, “Anyone who calls for drafting those who learn Torah is an apikores. We would not include him in a minyan.”
ujmParticipantujmParticipantujmParticipantOctober 26, 2025 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2463198ujmParticipantIn order to have a Chasidish community, the community needs to have a Rebbe in town.
Otherwise it’s just a community that dresses Chasidish.
ujmParticipantLike Nancy Reagan used to say, just say NO.
ujmParticipantThere is NO ranked-choice voting in NYC general elections. The ranked-choice voting is ONLY for NYC primary elections.
There will be no ranked-choice voting in this election for mayor.
ujmParticipantujmParticipantHarav Shalom Ber Sorotzkin shlit”a decried the ongoing persecution of bnei Torah in Eretz Yisroel, comparing the situation to the dark days of Soviet oppression.
“I came to America to do a job that isn’t easy — to take care of bochurim,” Rav Sorotzkin said. “We have 13,500 talmidim across our mosdos, and every one of them is precious. When I heard this morning that they arrested a choshuve bochur in the yeshiva — an emesdike masmid, whose only ‘crime’ was sitting and learning Torah — I was shaken. We heard such stories from our fathers and grandfathers in Russia, when people were arrested for learning. Now it’s happening again, in Eretz Yisroel.”
The bochur, named Ariel Shammai, was sentenced to 20 days in military prison. “He was handed a 20-day prison sentence for one thing,” Rav Sorotzkin said sharply. “For being an oved Hashem and learning Torah.”
Following the arrest, a massive atzeres tefillah was held outside the prison Wednesday afternoon. Over 1,200 bnei Torah gathered to show support and solidarity with the imprisoned talmid. The gathering doubled as a psichas zman for the yeshiva, led by Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch shlit”a.
“It was a big maamad of kiddush sheim shamayim in a mechubadike way,” said Rav Sorotzkin. “We began Chezkas Habatim there. It gave the bochur chizuk — he saw that Klal Yisroel is with him.”
ujmParticipantujmParticipantujmParticipantOctober 22, 2025 9:44 am at 9:44 am in reply to: Plan B – An Open Letter to Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders #2461685ujmParticipantPlan C – A Response to the Open Letter from the Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders:
What if G- D Forbid Golus State of Israel ends like 100% of the other goluses??? The Zionist State is in Golus, too. In fact, everywhere on earth today is in Golus?
Did you hear of something called October 7? That occurred in Golus State of Israel.
Since the existence of the State is Israel, more Jews have been killed for being Jews in the State of Israel than the entire rest of the world combined.
Teretz? Only DAVENING helps. Nothing else.
Sincerely,
The Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders
ujmParticipantThe Mishpacha in Israel and in America are owned by the same person. And they both share articles (translated).
Rav Elyashiv never signed anything he didn’t mean to.
October 22, 2025 9:44 am at 9:44 am in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2461680ujmParticipantYankel & Yaakov: In 1970, the NK held a public protest alongside the PLO outside the United Nations.
And this was the NK that the Steipler issued extremely high praise, referring to the Neteurei Karta as his friends and colleagues and wishing them long lives and good days; and saying that he loves every single one of them. The Steipler says their zealotry is praiseworthy and l’sheim shamayim and he wants them to keep doing what they do.
October 19, 2025 9:15 am at 9:15 am in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2460419ujmParticipantYankel: How familiar are you regarding the activities of Rav Amrom Blau ztvk”l and the Neteurei Karta during his lifetime and during the lifetime of the Steipler Gaon?
They were considered very engaged in קנאות, as the Steipler writes and highly praises the Neteurei Karta for. Rav Blau and many others in NK were jailed many times by the Zionist state regime authorities in the Holy Land (during the Steipler’s lifetime.) Under Rav Balu (which was during the Steipler’s lifetime and which the Steipler is praising), the NK protested the existence of the State of “Israel”, Rav Blau praised the torching of a pritzus shop in Tel Aviv in 1972, the NK burned the Israeli flag in public in 1968 (not long after the ’67 war), they held many vigils and large street demonstrations and roadblocks that often resulted in physical clashes with Israeli police. Rav Balu and many other NK persons were arrested many times and were sentenced to quite a bit of time in Israeli prison. After the ’67 war they cultivated relationships with the PLO. In 1970, the NK held a public protest alongside the PLO outside the United Nations. The NK addressed the U.N. on the issue of Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem and strongly advocated their anti-Zionist stance. You can find documents even today on the UN website referring to the Neteurei Karta and the Neteurei Karta’s advocacy that Jerusalem become an international city not under Israeli sovereignty, among other anti-Zionists stances the NK advocated to the UN.
And the Steipler Gaon, after seeing all of the above, referred to the Neteurei Karta as his friends and colleagues, wished them long lives and good days; and said that he loves every single one of them. The Steipler says their zealotry is praiseworthy and l’sheim shamayim and he wouldn’t want them to stop doing what they do, as what the Neturei Karta does is necessary and beneficial for the preservation of Torah and Yiddishkeit.
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