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DaMoshe: Baruch Hashem I’m thrilled that you’ve seen the light and you became a supporter of HaGaon HaRav Eleazar Mann Shach zt’l and shared some of his thoughts. I’m sure you’ll just as much appreciate a few more thoughts from Rav Shach.
Rav Shach said that secular Israelis are “breeders of rabbits and pigs” who did not “know what Yom Kippur is.”
Rav Shach said places like Yeshiva University promoting a fusion of Torah with secular studies are “an absolute disaster,” warning that they posed a threat to the endurance of authentic Judaism.
Rav Shach rejected the Religious Zionist movement, viewing it as a secular ideology cloaked in religious garb. He criticized the movement for attempting to merge Jewish religious identity with nationalist aspirations, which undermined the sanctity of Torah. He related that the Religious Zionists had adopted a secular messianism, attempting to solve the “Jewish Problem” through human means rather than divine intervention.
Square, you make clear Chareidim are terrible people.
I’m sure you advocate that they be placed into Concentration Camps and forced to wear a Yellow Star, to keep them away from good people like yourself and others.
Kosovo, which is legally part of Serbia, is occupied by foreign forces.
Some people call Texas as the Occupied Mexican Territory.
Just to get into the spirit of CR, as you describe it above, if you’re non-Orthodox like none2.0 and GadolHadofi, the answer to the question at the end of your OP is they make no bracha at all.
The Czarist Russian army also had a Chareidi/Jewish division.
The IDF violates Torah laws on a daily basis.
Now you understand why the Gedolim shlita banned the Internet.
There’s no kashering neveilus.
You should never cast aspersions on a Befeirushe Artscroll.
I still call Western Ukraine (the Carpathian Ruthenia region) as Occupied Northeastern Hungary.
What’s so important that Jews constitute a majority?
Is anyone here familiar with the migration trajectory of Ashkenazim, Sephardim, etc.? As in, which came from Eretz Yisroel, which from Bavel, etc. And where the separation formed between Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and others.
Of course Ashkenazim and Sephardim aren’t the only groups. There’s the Teimanim, Italkim, Mizrachim, etc., who contrary to some popular thought are not Sephardim.
The Sephardim, of course, are those descending from the Spanish peninsula (Spain, Portugal), hence the name. Which is in Europe, so someone’s earlier comment questioning European influence upon Sephardim doesn’t make much sense.
ZSK: A large portion, indeed likely well over a majority, of current fully Torah observant Sephardim, are religiously observant under Ashkenazic influence. This includes them (or their parents/grandparents) having attended Ashkenazic Yeshivos, etc. A lot of this is the result of the Ashkenazic Torah world having strongly helped their Sephardic brethren remain strongly Torah observant during their transition from the Arab lands to Israel, when the State of Israel spent considerable resources in attempts to secularize the Sephardic immigrants.
This includes a great portion of the contemporary Sephardic religious leadership.
You can easily observe some of these influences in how they dress nowadays similar to the Ashkenazic Torah world, etc. Of course this is a superficial point, but it extends much deeper.
YYA: Sephardim were a minority compared to Ashkenazim even before the Spanish Expulsion. In regards to Israel today, according to the Israel Census Bureau, the breakdown is approximately 51/49 in favor of Ashkenazim.
The Italian Jewish you’re referring to that’s neither Ashkenazic nor Sephardic is Italikim.
Mods: You must’ve fallen asleep at the wheel to have let the previous comment through… And it’s up for over a day already.
That’s a seriously severe oversight.
I don’t mod very much anymore – what thread are you referring to?
Nevermind, found it. Ugh.
Alan Dershowitz should return to observance. He does not have the excuse or alibi that he’s a tinok shenishba. He’ll be held fully responsible for every time he violates Shabbos, Kashrus, and every one of the 613.
Yaakov Yosef: Your wife traded in her Sefardic minhagim for Chasidish minhagim?
CTL (you’ll never be ex to me): Am I misremembering that you’re supposed to fly either First Class or Business Class?
Rocky: That’s a pipe dream. The average student of those 80 places would have trouble being on the same level as a third rate American Yeshiva designed for those who couldn’t enter a standard Yeshiva.
The best vacation is spending a week or two or three full time in the Beis Medrash.
Ishpurim:
A “Safek Mamzer” has the worst of it all; he/she cannot marry a regular Jew and he/she cannot even marry a mamzer.
HaKatan: Thank you for all your excellent posts fully explaining the Torah’s position on this issue.
Abba_S:
Based on that, anytime anyone is considering you marry a BT or even the child, grandchild or great grandchild of a BT, they need to thoroughly investigate the Yichus of that person, specifically all the marriages, divorces, mesader kedushins and gittin, of all that prospective groom or brides parents, grandparents and great-grandparents to check a) whether each and every of the marriages were valid under Jewish Law and b) of the marriage was valid if any subsequent separation/divorce had a gittin that was fully valid under Jewish Law, and if G-d forbid not, any subsequent children from such a woman would be considered to be mamzeirim along with all future offspring of that mamzer. (And thereby render and potential marriages with those offspring as impossible.)
IzoBar: The Jews living in the Arab countries for thousands of years before Zionism, lived there *relatively* peacefully for thousands of years. Yes, there were exceptions every now and then and you cited to examples. But you don’t have that many examples.
If you want, you can find prominent examples of antisemitism even in the US, the Leo Frank case, Henry Ford, Father Charles Coughlin, etc. Do you consider Americans to be antisemites?
The truth is we are living in Golus, and in Golus antisemitism is the rule and not the exception. Everywhere in Golus antisemitism is to be expected, from the time our bitter Golus began 2,000 years ago about through today. And that applies everywhere; in Europe (most prominently), in the Arab countries, in the State of Israel and in the United States and elsewhere.
By contrast, Jews living in Europe experienced murderous violent antisemitism every Monday and Thursday. Not to mention that the Europeans from Rome destroyed the Bais Hamikdash and attempted their first genocide in Yerushalayim and Eretz Yisroel; and not long thereafter Bar Kochba revolt they crushed. And ever since.
Compare how the Jews in Spain fared. Under Muslim rule the Jews in Spain lived in the golden age; when the Christians took over Spain, the Jews faced violence, forced conversions to Christianity and, finally, expulsion and the Inquisition with Jews being burnt at the stake.
The Europeans committed the Crusades multiple times, blood libels ongoing for centuries and centuries, expulsions of Jews from almost every European country that had Jews, at one time or another (including England, Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, etc.) over hundreds of years, confined to ghettos throughout Europe,, blamed for the Black Death persecutions, murdering 100,000 Jews in Tach V’Tat/Khmelnytsky Massacres in Ukraine, Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, many murderous Pograms, etc. etc. etc.
And, of course, the biggest of them all, the Holocaust, when Europe murdered 6,000,000 Jews just a few decades ago, with survivors of that still alive with us today.
Indeed, the whole European Christian Church is explicitly built upon the claim that the Jews killed their “god”; and what on earth can be worse than killing “god”. So the Europeans had a ready-made excuse to justify their centuries and millenia of anti-Jewish violence, murder and genocide.
The Arabs never came close to the above; not even a drop in the bucket, by comparison. The reality is that Jews lived under Arab rule for thousands of years, prior to the advent of Zionism, *mostly* peacefully.
Indeed, by comparison, throughout Golus, from all the places that many Jews resided in, those living under Arab rule fared the best; far better than the countries that had many Jews outside the Arab lands.
Unlike the Jews in Europe.
JV: Although the State of “Israel” claims to be a “Jewish State”, it is anything but. It is an atheistic state, just as much as the Soviet Union was; and it always was so.
HaKatan:
Thank you. Excellent point.
Judaism IS superior in religion.
And we must conform with Jewish law, tradition, customs and religious Torah Judaism.
You’re right.
Perhaps emigrate Canada to the United States.
We are obligated, per Jewish Law, to hate and to mock apikorsim.
Morality is defined by the Torah. Nothing more and nothing less.
Conformity is demanded by the Torah on many issues. And on many other issues, conformity is highly appropriate, even if not explicitly demanded by the Torah.
The Seforim Hakedoshim say that when Moshiach comes only one in five will make it.
Additionally, everyone has the absolute right to be exempt due to the fact that the IDF is openly and proudly a “melting pot” explicitly designed to turn every enlistee into a pure (read: secular) Israeli. This has been the express case since 1948 through today.
Furthermore, the IDF is internationally infamous for their notorious well documented and sometimes even openly admitted debauchery, fornication, unchastity, and licentiousness between the two genders enlisted and serving together; especially between male superiors and female subordinates.
“Let’s take it as a given that learning Torah adds to our protection and is a component of our military defense. Personally, I believe this. It’s part of our Mesorah. The big problem is that it’s a very vague statements and WE DO NOT KNOW HOW IT WORKS.”
So what? We don’t need to know “how” it works; we know it works. That’s enough.
“what’s the ratio of learners to soldiers?”
Currently there are far far too few learners. We need to increase, greatly, the number of learners.
“there is no critical, detailed, analysis of how it works and what we need”
The Gedolei Yisroel shlita have already long made this analysis. There’s no one more qualified than Gedolei Yisroel shlita to make this analysis. The Gedolei Yisroel shlita are easily reachable. They do not live in Ivory Towers. They do not have security details. The Shin Bet does not keep people away from them. You can easily approach them and respectfully ask them. They will answer you. No need for coffee room threads.