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HaKatan: Thank you for all your excellent posts fully explaining the Torah’s position on this issue.

IzoBar: The Jews living in the Arab countries for thousands of years before Zionism, lived there *relatively* peacefully for thousands of years. Yes, there were exceptions every now and then and you cited to examples. But you don’t have that many examples.

If you want, you can find prominent examples of antisemitism even in the US, the Leo Frank case, Henry Ford, Father Charles Coughlin, etc. Do you consider Americans to be antisemites?

The truth is we are living in Golus, and in Golus antisemitism is the rule and not the exception. Everywhere in Golus antisemitism is to be expected, from the time our bitter Golus began 2,000 years ago about through today. And that applies everywhere; in Europe (most prominently), in the Arab countries, in the State of Israel and in the United States and elsewhere.

By contrast, Jews living in Europe experienced murderous violent antisemitism every Monday and Thursday. Not to mention that the Europeans from Rome destroyed the Bais Hamikdash and attempted their first genocide in Yerushalayim and Eretz Yisroel; and not long thereafter Bar Kochba revolt they crushed. And ever since.

Compare how the Jews in Spain fared. Under Muslim rule the Jews in Spain lived in the golden age; when the Christians took over Spain, the Jews faced violence, forced conversions to Christianity and, finally, expulsion and the Inquisition with Jews being burnt at the stake.

The Europeans committed the Crusades multiple times, blood libels ongoing for centuries and centuries, expulsions of Jews from almost every European country that had Jews, at one time or another (including England, Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, etc.) over hundreds of years, confined to ghettos throughout Europe,, blamed for the Black Death persecutions, murdering 100,000 Jews in Tach V’Tat/Khmelnytsky Massacres in Ukraine, Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, many murderous Pograms, etc. etc. etc.

And, of course, the biggest of them all, the Holocaust, when Europe murdered 6,000,000 Jews just a few decades ago, with survivors of that still alive with us today.

Indeed, the whole European Christian Church is explicitly built upon the claim that the Jews killed their “god”; and what on earth can be worse than killing “god”. So the Europeans had a ready-made excuse to justify their centuries and millenia of anti-Jewish violence, murder and genocide.

The Arabs never came close to the above; not even a drop in the bucket, by comparison. The reality is that Jews lived under Arab rule for thousands of years, prior to the advent of Zionism, *mostly* peacefully.

Indeed, by comparison, throughout Golus, from all the places that many Jews resided in, those living under Arab rule fared the best; far better than the countries that had many Jews outside the Arab lands.

Unlike the Jews in Europe.

HaKatan:

Thank you. Excellent point.

You’re right.

Perhaps emigrate Canada to the United States.

Morality is defined by the Torah. Nothing more and nothing less.

Conformity is demanded by the Torah on many issues. And on many other issues, conformity is highly appropriate, even if not explicitly demanded by the Torah.

Additionally, everyone has the absolute right to be exempt due to the fact that the IDF is openly and proudly a “melting pot” explicitly designed to turn every enlistee into a pure (read: secular) Israeli. This has been the express case since 1948 through today.

Furthermore, the IDF is internationally infamous for their notorious well documented and sometimes even openly admitted debauchery, fornication, unchastity, and licentiousness between the two genders enlisted and serving together; especially between male superiors and female subordinates.

No.

Thank you for noticing and pointing this problem out.

Me.

Da: You never addressed the point other than dodging it with the same repetitive non-answer that the poor RCA was afraid to kick out apikoros Mr. Avi Weiss and his fellow OO cohorts who were rabbinic members of the RCA, since the RCA was afraid that by getting rid of the RCA apikorsim it would only, somehow, make them more powerful.

They’re like the Democrats who want to import immigrants to vote for them.

He went back on his agreement with the RCA and started calling his females Rabbis, again.

Popa had great foresight 13 years ago, in this OP. Indeed, the BDA has gone to the left/Conservative.

I respect Chasidim for their tremendous Chesed they provide for all of Klal Yisroel, regardless of the affiliation (or lack thereof) of whom they’re helping.

I respect the Litvish for their dedication of their lives to Limud Torah.

I respect Sefardim for their extremely strong respect and reverence of Rabbonim (even among those in the population who aren’t very observant themselves).

I respect the Modern Orthodox for remaining religious despite all the secular amenities and cultural pushes to abandon religion.

AAQ: Dr. Tendler himself related the story how he met his wife in the New York Public Library and got engaged to her in an interview with a periodical that is (or was) published online at the time.

The US has draft deferrals, including during war time such as Vietnam, for religious seminary students as well as for general conscientious objectors.

I don’t know that son, but whatever his position is no raya about anything about his father. Many tzadikim unfortunately had children where the apple fell far from the tree.

Simcha613: “(though I assume and hope they have their own poskim making these decisions)”

You’re going too far out on a limb trying to be find a zchus in wrongful activity. If you walked by and saw a group of Jewish teens through the windows of McDonald’s having a jolly time partying eating cheeseburgers and shrimp with cheap goyish wine, you wouldn’t “klerr” that “I assume and hope they have their own poskim making these decisions” allowing them to party in a treif McDonald’s with cheeseburgers, shrimp and wine. Nor should you klerr as such about MO bungalow colonies with mixed swimming, MO shuls with a three foot “mechitza” and a social hall with mixed dancing, MO teens keeping a “half Shabbos” while texting each other, or those eating in non-kosher “vegetarian” restaurants simply by deciding it is okay by simply looking through the list of ingredients. (Only when “away from town”, of course.)

Nor should you make that deduction regarding girls schools that have a mandatory Gemora class (or virtually mandatory, where it is socially unacceptable and embarrassing to opt out and/or they are enrolled by default.)

What’s so hard to farshtay, AAQ? By time he found out they had already fallen in love and he was powerless to seperate them. They were both over 18, you know. He made the best of the situation by supporting their decision, rather than making a useless fight — and hoping for the best. But the best case scenario didn’t turn out. As the sign in law later defied his father’s positions on more than once occasion, both during and after his lifetime. This fact is available in a public letter from the same Agudas Yisroel than Rav Moshe was the head of.

Now we know the source of the lie, thanks to hadopi. The lie comes from the Zionist Orthodox Union magazine, only quoting a Zionist Rabbi of Israel, according to what was published in the Zionist publication Techumin, published by the Zionist Yisrael Rosen, who was the head of the Zionist/MO Zomet Institute and was a politician in the party of Naftali Bennet (the guy who is married to a secular woman and who teamed up with Yair Lapid of the anti-Torah, anti-Orthodox, Yesh Atid) and teamed up with an Arab party, HaBayit HaYehudi.

And there is no other source for this false quote, exactly because it is… false.

AAQ: He did not suggest him at all to his daughter. His daughter met him in the New York Public Library and from there it just went from there. Rav Moshe accepted it because by time he knew about it, it was too late. The son in law misrepresented his father in law on multiple occasions.

Certified Bubbe Maaisa.

Shazsheri: Excellent comment.

Yasher Koach!

Chaim87: You’re a liar. Rav Isser Zalman opposed the State and its creation.

Coffee Addict: So America is Christian, since they shut down government offices on Chrsitmas?