WolfishMusings

FWIW, I agree with rosnr’s point. See how he treats the people he’s around. If he treats other people nicely, then he’s likely to treat you nicely as well. If, OTOH, he treats other people as garbage, there is little reason to see that you would be an exception to the rule.

The Wolf

FWIW, my kids already know to *never* complain to Eeees or I that they’re bored. We can always find something for them to do. 🙂

The Wolf

To get back to the point (as volvie suggested):

I didn’t think your idea was wrong, Bodek — it just needs to be refined further. Using your logic, cars can be banned outright. Your idea was good, but needs further elaboration or restriction.

The Wolf

Bodek,

To muss something means to mess it up. But, as I said, I never suspected you of ill-will. It was the mod whom I suspected of adding the extra letter to make fun of my moniker. And again, I apologize to him for my error.

The Wolf

what can one do when they have nothing to do after work?

Learn

Read a book

Volunteer

Say Tehillim

Spend time with family members

Develop a hobby

Learn a new skill that may be useful in your career

Learn a new life skill

Read business literature relating to your industry

Organize a community event

Write

Clean for pesach

Clean (in general)

The Wolf

In more heimish circles it is the accepted thing for the boy to start the conversation. For the girl to start would be pretty disrespectful.

Why is it inherently disrespectful for a girl to start a conversation?

Yes, i know this is quite extreme, but it just proves my point…

No, it only shows that it perhaps applies in a specific subculture of Judaism. It does not prove your point across the board.

The Wolf

Rochelle,

No, he didn’t. The mod edited it to add in the extra s. That’s the meaning of his comment (in bold) at the end of Bodek’s post

It wasn’t a typo — it was malicious.

Mod — If I’m wrong, let me know and I will gladly apologize.

The Wolf

Rochelle is correct, I *thought* that was obvious. The typo (double s) was made by the poster, I’m sure not maliciously. I turned one s to blue to “remove” it. I could have actually removed it but I wanted to point out the posters mistake to “kid” with him. It had nothing to do with you, only that Bodek made a *funny* typo. If you are somehow offended , I’ll gladly remove my edit, just let me know.

Oh and it is the guys job to keep the conversation going.

And where did you get that from? It’s not anyone’s “job.”

The Wolf

Wolfish Mussings

Bodek — it wasn’t particularly funny.

Mod – How about a law against needlessly embarrassing someone? Oh yeah, we have one of those — “malbin p’nei chaveiro” and all that…

But then again, I guess since I don’t always toe the party line, I don’t qualify as “chaveiro.” So, never mind — I withdraw the complaint. Make fun of my name.

Why stop there? Why not go for “Wolfish Pukings?” or “Wolfish Droppings?”

Yeah, I joke around in the CR too — but at least when I do it, it’s never directed at anyone else or at anyone else’s expense.

And, lastly, Mod, if you’re going to take cheap potshots at someone, at least have the courage to identify *which* mod you are.

The Wolf

Any behavior that can negatively affect the quality of life of other people.

That’s pretty restrictive. Based on that broad logic, you can ban cars because they cause noxious emmissions that negatively affect me.

The Wolf

Wolf, there’s nothing wrong with talking about the CR on dates

Yeesh…

I didn’t say anything was wrong with it. It was just a lame attempt at humor. Don’t read too much into it.

The Wolf

I’m not having second thoughts

OK, so then why the new thread?

The Wolf

I think you might be confusing “blogger” with someone who posts on a message board. Not everyone who posts on a message board is a blogger. To be a blogger, I would think, you must actually have a blog.

The Wolf

That didn’t answer the question.

If you made up your mind a month ago, why start a new thread today?

Or are you having second thoughts about your choice?

The Wolf

If you’re willing to expand your net just a bit wider than Brooklyn, I can recommend three schools on Long Island that impressed us when we were looking for a school for our son:

Mesivta Ateres Ya’akov (“South Shore”)

DRS-HALB

Rambam

The Wolf

AZ,

Having given a cursory read to the sources you provided, I gladly retract my comment about the sources begin fake. They are obviously real.

It seems obvious to me, however, that the meaning of words and phrases change over time. Tosfos uses the word “agunah” to clearly indicate a case where a girl cannot get married for financial reasons. Rav Shteinman uses it to indicate a girl who cannot get married for demographic reasons (assuming the age-gap theory is correct).

But those conditions are not the ones that people think of when you use the term “agunah” today. When you use that word, two things come to mind — the classic definition of a woman whose husband has disappeared or the more modern definition of a woman whose husband refuses to grant a get to his wife.

I’m not going to argue with Tosfos and Rav Shteinman — if they say that the other conditions mentioned above are technically cases of igun, then fine, they are — the semantics don’t matter to me all that much. But don’t expect people to understand what you are talking about when you use terms outside of their colloquial meanings.

The Wolf

And, as a side point, asking you to give us the exact source is not a sign of a lack of caring.

The Wolf

Wolf not so fast. I need you to show me how interested you are.

AZ, I’m not your mouse for you to play with me on the end of your claws. I’m through with this game.

If you don’t want to show me where the Tosfos is, then fine, don’t show me. But I don’t have to believe it exists simply because you say it does. For that matter, the same applies to the quote by Rav Shteinman — and you know what… until you show me otherwise, I’m inclined to believe they’re both fakes. Show me I’m wrong and I’ll gladly retract.

So, it comes down to this: back up your statements with some actual proof (aside from “I said so”) or else just count me out.

The Wolf

You know something, AZ, don’t bother responding… it doesn’t matter.

It’s silly to argue with you on whether they should be called “agunos” or not. You want to call them that — then fine. I think you’re wrong, but you’re free to do as you wish.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I not going to argue over terminology with you.

The Wolf

Wolf: I guess you are smarter than The Ballei Tosafos and rav shteinman who clearly equated the two.

Re: the ba’alei tosfos — meanings change over time. Before 100 years ago, the word “agunah” had different connotations than they do today.

Re Rav Shteinman — I never said I was smarter than he. Nonetheless, the fundamental difference that I pointed out *does* exist — or do you deny that?

The Wolf

everyone could use some changes…

Maybe… but the changes you are proposing are quite radical.

The Wolf

It is the boys the job to keep the conversation flowing

I don’t agree with that at all. It’s no one’s “job” to keep the conversation flowing.

I had a vested interest in keeping it going (because I *really* liked the girl), and so I did. But it wasn’t my “job” to do so.

The Wolf

Does Having a degree guarantee you a job forever?

Nothing guarantees anything. But with a degree you have a much better chance of being employed… and at a higher salary.

The Wolf