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646,
1. Apparently the Hamas is not as fearful as the Iranians (who do not yet have missiles that can reach Israel from their country) and Syrians. Moreover, the fact that the IDF and Shabak have freedom of action in Judea-Samaria prevents many terror attacks.
2. According to international law a country may annex land taken in a defensive war. In any case, J-S (as well as Jordan) was set aside by the San Remo agreement as part of the Jewish state. There are also precedents for expelling hostile populations (e.g. the Greek-Turkish population transfer of 1923 of the expulsion of the Volksdeutsche from several European countries after WW2)
3. J-S is ours according to Hashem’s law.CS, if it was out of character maybe he did not exactly say that. Rabbanim very often make nuanced statements that different people hear according to what they want to hear. Once some people took a dispute to Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook. As soon as they left they argued over what he said.
CS, what is an “act of Pinchas”? A woman entering a shul during a chachnasat sefer Torah is not listed as one of the jobs of a kanai. Does that mean that if the guard had shoved him back she would have been justified? It may have been a maaseh Rav Ada bar Ahava (Berachot 20a) but then he might have to pay her a large sum of money as compensation (ibid).
AJ, personally I think that in general the rules of the “Torah wing” are criminal coddling. I even heard from a relative of his that a certain “rav” is very happy there as he has a chevruta with another “rav” and so far they have learned 200 pages of Gemara.
646, they have only themselves and their “leaders” to blame. In 5708 they could have gotten even more but they refused. Arafat ym”s could have gotten 99% but he refused. According to pols the vast majority support terror. Those individuals who are willing to live in peace live very well. I live on a settlement so I see their houses and cars. I see that some of the Arab workers in an area supermarket even have supervisory jobs. In fact, yesterday I saw an Arab woman walking alone in the middle of my settlement (no Jew could do that in any Arab village) . When I asked someone about her I was told that she is a doctor in the clinic.
CS, I looked him up and he seems to be a reputable rav so I cannot believe that he said what you claim. In fact, Rav Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg said that if he had a nickel for every time he was misquoted he would be a rich man. When someone complained to Rav Moshe about the Chatam Sofer being misquoted he said “People misquote me and I’m still alive”. Even in the Gemara there are arguments between chachamim over what tehre rav said with each swearing that he was correct. In any case, Schlisel is clearly an extremely disturbed person. I would classify him as Chareidi except in the colloquial sense. The same goes for “Chareidi” fraudsters.
646,
1. Jordan was carved out of the British Mandate of Palestine in 1922 in violation of the San Remo agreement.
2. Jordan illegally annexed Judea and Samaria in 1948, conferred citizenship on the Arabs there and later revoked it. It is already 70% Fakestinian. Many Arab notables in J-S see Abdullah II as their king (and ave compleat contempt for the PA kleptocracy).
3. Do you believe that hashem gave EY to the Jewish people? Read Rashi’s first comment on the Chumash.000646, they already have a state. It is called Jordan. The fact of the matter is they do not want a state. That is why they do not declare one and why Arafat ym”s refused Ehud Barak’s offer of 99% of Judea and Samaria plus eastern Jerusalem. They prefer eternal victimhood. That is the highest honor a leftist can bestow.
Unfortunately, “Chareidi” has become an quasi-ethnic group complete with identification politics (see the complaints about Judge Freier) as has “Chiloni”. Rav Kook decried this in Massa haMachanot and wrote that it prevents teshuva as the former think that they are without sin and the latter think that a religious concept does not apply to them. IMHO, this may have been Acher’s mistake.
000646, not if they do not belong there. Besides, do you think that they will govern themselves should they be given a state c”v? Both the Abbas regime and Hmas are brutal kleptocracies that trample on basic civil rights. Moreover, Abbas is 83, in very poor health and has no successor. This means that when he goes the way of all flesh there will be a very nasty civil war. This is why those Arabs who hold Israeli citizenship are insistent that they remain Israeli citizens. As for those who don’t, the best thing for them is Jordanian citizenship. They can vote for the Jordanian parliament just as I can vote for Congress and POTUS. They can even be given exterritorial seats as in the French
Assembly of French Citizens Abroad and National Assembly, which has eleven seats for expats.Joseph, I already posted that. However, to save you the trouble of scrolling up I will repeat it. They should be offered a generous emigration package by an international fund. According to polls the vast majority would take it. Those who stay should be offered either full citizenship on condition that they sign a loyalty oath and do national service. The rest should receive permanent residency with full personal rights (e.g. labor laws would apply to them) but no political rights.
DY, Mendelssohn also thought that denying are national aspect and would solve all our problems. The Dreyfuss case proved him wrong and the Holocaust settled it.
000646,
1. Given the fact that the other parties will not agree to the best all around solution – paying them to emigrate t countries that need immigrants, the present situation is the best (and BTW, Arabs who have clean records work in Israeli enterprises in Judea and Samaria at much more than they can dream of getting in the רשעות הפלסטינאית.
2. The status quo has been sustained for over 51 years.
Shopping, what is the difference between the two groups?
000646 (so why the triple zero – does that signify the value of your comments?), there has never been a country called “Palestine”. It is the name given to EY by the Romans in a futile attempt to erase our ownership). In fact, when Mark Twain visited here the land was almost empty, as he describes in The Innocents Abroad. The ancestors of the Arabs who are squatting on our land came when Zionist settlement opened up economic opportunities. They are a fake people.
Dor, maybe the Trump team realizes that there is no practical solution being that the Arabs and Europeans see it in their interest to prolong the status quo. Have you ever wondered why Abbas does not declare state nor soes Hamas? They prefer their present kleptocracies.
000646 (BTW, what is the meaning of that number?), FYI the ENTIRE Ottoman province of Palestine was given to the British ym”s by the League of Nations to establish a Jewish state. They partially reneged by creating Transjordan (now Jordan) in 1922 in order to reward Abdullah I for services rendered in WW1. They then further reneged by severely limiting Jewish immigration while allowing unlimited Arab immigration. Thus Jordan is Palestine. Judea and Samaria should be part of Israel. Read the Faisal-Weizmann agreement and the Levy report.
BTW, the Jordan Times, which is mostly owned by the government Social Security fund, recently published a pro-Trump article by veteran former diplomat Walid M. Sadi . Look for a plan for Jordanian citizenship to be restored to the Arabs and some sort of joint administration.
DY, there has already been a bat kol. The only deniers are the NK and the BDS.
00646, I did not write that it will be done only that it should be done. However, those countries are going to have to get immigrants from some place.
DY, we have already gone through the non-starter of the shaloshet hashevuot several times. Not to mention the fact that there are two mashiachs and according to Rav Kook Mashiach ben Yosef as already arrived.
00046, very few will sign and even fewer will do national service, which is also a condition. As for countries willing to take them, Canada, especially under Justin Trudeau will probably be happy to do so. With the resettlement package several other countries will also be interested. Western European countries will have no choice as someone will have to support their aging populations.
Philosopher, I never claimed that they did. However, thirty years ago they certainly were.
00046, almost thirty years ago I heard a lecture on the “demographic problem”. The lecturer said “Maybe the Iron Curtain will come down” and everyone laughed. Moreover, I specified that they will have to sign a loyalty oath and agree to do national service. How many will agree to this? Polls show that a majority of Arab in Judea-Samaria and 80% in Gaza are willing to admit that they would leave if they could. There is computerized testing for American professional exams such as the actuarial exams is available in Ramallah, which shows that there is an interest among young Arabs (they can even apply for jobs over the Internet and once there is an offer a green card is not a problem. Offering them a new life in a country like Canada (which needs 350,000 workers) or Germany (which needs 800,000) plus a generous stake would lead to a mass exodus.
I am in favor of a two state solution. Israel and Jordan. Jordan is, in fact, Palestine. It was part of the Ottoman province of Palestine and is majority “Palestinian” (as opposed to Beduin.). The Arabs in Judea and Samaria should be paid to leave to countries that need immigrants with money by an international resettlement fund. Those that do not can be offered permanent residency or citizenship (if they agree to do national service and sign a loyalty oath).
@DY, there is a Torah obligation to establish a state in EY. This has been discussed several times here.Rashi says that the function of the shotrim (police) is to beat recalcitrants with clubs and straps. The Reish Galuta’s police even imprisoned people for haughtiness (Baba Kama 59b). However, the Israeli police have a new method. Skunk water, which I’m told leaves an extremely foul odor for days. Even that was the subject of a frivolous lawsuit.
Laskern, he adds that one should not address the dead but only Hashem.
Knaidlach,
1. I find it hard to believe that Rav Eliashiv said “machnissei harachamim”.He was a Litvak and the Gra even opposed “barchunei l’shalom”. In any case, what does that have to do with the dead (BTW, the Gra opposed going to cemeteries in general as do the Briskers)?
2. If you are referring to Rav Kook’s teshuva on leaving EY to go to kivrei tzaddikim,he odes not say that it is a chumra but ikar hadin. He also says that it is not clear that there is a mitzva at all.
3. Rav Tuchachinsky casts doubts on the practice of making requests of the dead (Gesher haChaim 2:25). Certainly actually davening to them is a”z.
What about the facts that Trump’ son-in-law, daughter and grandchildren are Jewish and the fact that his late father was a major ohev Yisrael (he prefered Jewish tenants, built the Trump Village shul and donated every year at the dinner, and let tenants the rabbi told him were having money problems slide on the rent)?
I don’t think that Trump is a charlatan. He is a showman. Moreover, he knows who elected him and that he has to please them. Even if he is,
what if the choice is between a charlatan and a crime boss? If he is are you saying that he should stuff his support for Israel and appoint enemies of religious freedom to the courts?What is “degraded conservatism” as opposed to “full-bodied conservatism”?
Time, you are guilty of plagiarism. You lifted your “as one libertarian put it” statement from Michael Anton’s Rejoinder: Dear Avengers of the Free Market . . .</em? in the blog Law and Liberty without citing him. If your post was part of an academic work you could have been kicked out. Not only that
“Most cases of plagiarism are considered misdemeanors, punishable by fines of anywhere between $100 and $50,000 — and up to one year in jail. Plagiarism can also be considered a felony under certain state and federal laws. For example, if a plagiarist copies and earns more than $2,500 from copyrighted material, he or she may face up to $250,000 in fines and up to ten years in jail.” (From plagiarism.org)
Time,
Silicon Valley’s products are only that. Products. They are only tools. How they are used is up to the user. As the NRA has always pointed out, guns don’t kill people. People kill people (this is also the halacha – a person who shoots an arrow cannot escape liability by claiming that it is the arrow’s fault). Conservatives (and if you would be even a bit familiar with Edmund Burke and Russell Kirk you would not contend that conservatives have “no philosophic or moral framework for judging good from bad or right from wrong” should get moving and jump on the bandwagon. Unfortunately, so far only the Alt-Right crowd understands this and they are just as bad as the Left radicals.
As fi libertarians, IMHO they are simply way before their time. In the messianic age when all will desire to do Hashem’s will (see Rambam at the end of Hilchot Melachim) there will be no need for government coercion (and BTW, libertarians are split between anarcho-capitalists, who think that insurance companies can take over all of government’s protective functions, and minarchists, who favor in the “night watchman state”). Even today, the extent to which government is needed depends on the extent to which a people is, in John Adams’ word, religious and moral. The Netziv also alludes to this in his commentary on the mitzva to appoint a king.
Ubiquitin, also אור הזהר. I also checked that website.
In gematria דונלד טראמפ=משיח בן דוד.
Chiefshmerel, you are right. the Arabs have to concede that we have the right to all of EY.
Joseph, how did you attain the level of בוחן כליות ולב? I did not find anything on which bet din converted him. Moreover, it happens frequently that people change their opinions over time.
correction: Rema CM 25:1
Joseph, if he became an apikoros (which IMHO he is) after his conversion he is like any Jewish apikoros.
1. Actually, if the husband cannot be home when the time to light comes the wife should light.
2. Rashi says that Noah was able to invent the plow because Adam’s curse expired. perhaps Chava’s also expired at that time.
Laskern,
1. You went toa goyish university?
2. I wrote that 111/106 is close to pi/3. Rounded to eleven decimals it is 1.04716981132. Pi/3=1.0471975512.
3. The Gemara mentions Amoraim who lived in very different generations arguing with them.
4. When do you consider the end of the period of the Achronim to have been?
5. Many Achronim care. Just to give one every week and very important example, the Mechaber paskens like Rabbenu Tam regarding the beginning and end of Shabbat and the Rema does not disagree. The Gra reopened the matter and paskened like the Gaonimand most observant Jews follow him.
5. Obviously the Maharshal, Shaagat Arieh, Schach and Gra disagree with the Or haChaim haKadosh. See Rema CM 25:61.Laskern, how did you study goyish Math? BTW, FYI I also am somewhat of a mathematician having worked in the actuarial field. In any case, if you look at Rambam’s commentary on the mishna in Eruvin (it’s in the back of most gemarot) you will see that he holds that a convenient estimate is sufficient for halachic matters. 1.4. Interestingly, he knew that pi is irrational although this was not proven until Johann Heinrich Lambert did so in 5521. The Gra points out that the word קו is spelled קוה in the pasuk. קוה divided by קו is extremely close to pi/3.
Doing, an ordinary Jew arguing is not even a question. I believe that the subject refers to poskim.
Laskern,
1. In that case Rav Moshe cannot argue with Rav Yosef Etlinger. However, he can and an Acharon who is of sufficient stature can argue with a Rishon. For that matter, rishonim argue with Gaonim. The Mishna and Gemara are different because there was an acceptance that they are closed (although some Savoraim were added to the Gemara and see also Chochmat Shlomo on Sanhedrin 52b.
2. Why would Tosafot not want to rely on it? Chochma b’goyim taamin. Moreover, Chazal rely on it in hte discussion of a round sukka. See also Tosafot on Eruvin 14a d”h v’haicha where they bring a difficulty from Greek geometry (see Rambam’s commentary on the mishna where he resolves it (there is also a way if one uses an inner an outer border for the yam).
Rabbi Shay Schachter has a shiur (36:29) on the YU website called
Rishonim Arguing With Achronim & Arguing With the Shulchan Aruch.One must be a bar hachi. The Maharshal, the Schach and the Gra all disagreed with Rishonim. As for arguing with Acharonim, the major contemporary poskim are themselves Acharonim. Rav Asher Weiss has disagreed with the Chatam Sofer. The same goes for taking sides. Of course, a person can decide to rely on a certain posek against another, especially on a d’rabbanan (safek l’kula). This is not the same as arguing as he is not saying who he thinks is right.
How are Lubavitch hats any different than Litvish hats?
They are worn on leil Pesach.Someone once interviewed Israelis about their attitudes towards the present generation of Germans. One commented that blaming them for the Holocaust is like blaming him for killing Yushki.
Curiosity, maybe the nisayon is to see how the person will discuss it with the knuckle cracker.
Akuperma, a negative income tax only applies to people who work but have low incomes. The best solution for disabled people is to enable them to work around their disabilities. For example, a person who is homebound could telework. This is, in fact, becoming generally accepted as it saves companies expensive office space and saves employees commuting time (and very often aggravation).
Curiosity, for that matter, there was a gadol in Morocco who was famous for his concentration. Someone once bet that he could disturb him so he fired a shot into the air while the gadol was davening. It did not work. However, very few people are on that level. Gezel tefilla is a very serious matter. See, for example, Mishna Berura 98:3 regarding bringing small children to shul. As for Hashem having sent the annoying person, that does not excuse him. Hashem sends chova by way of a chayav (Taanit 29a)