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Stuart, Yaakov also prepared for war. I imagine that he took weapons training.
CTL and Time, criminals will obtain guns no matter what. Today one can even print a gun from the Internet. After a wave of terrorist shootings in Israel the Minister of Public Safety eased the regs for gun licenses. Many attacks have been completely prevented or at least stopped because of armed civilians. However, to get a license one must show need (living in certain areas in considered an ipso facto need) or be a reserve officer in the IDF. Periodic weapons and psychological training are also required.
Dor, Rav Soloveichik , in fact, said that that is the lesson of the Holocaust.
CA, you are correct. The Nazis ym”s did not know what to do about the Karates so they asked three Jewish professors. To save their lives they said that they are not Jewish. However, Rav Ovadia says (Yabia Omer 8:12) they are and it is even permitted to marry a Karaite who declares acceptance of Rabbinic Judaism although some Ashkenazic poskim rule that they need giyur l’chumra.
Iacisrmma, TY for the post. Note that he said the word “shul” twice. Just one small point. It was not the exactly the anniversary of Kristallnacht . That was two days before. However, 18 Marcheshvan is the date of the meeting to make further plans.
Time, there is a midrash that says that Hashem fired Eliahu for badmouthing Am Yisrael. Because he said that they did not do berit mila he has to come to every berit.
Faker, Lashon haKodesh changes and sometimes “converts” foreign words/ Sometimes the opposite happens. The Shela HaKadosh says this about learning four parshiot in tefillin from “tot” and “fot” in foreign languages. For example, in this week’s parsha the term “am haaretz” refers to the elite.
Laskern, they can be two sides of the same coin. for example, one who does din with reshaim does chesed for tzaddikim. Even with the same person din can really be chesed as it directs him.
Laskern ,he does not say that. He says that if we start to assimilate there will be antisemitism in order to remind us who we are.
On the contrary, Time. He was in favor of military service for Jews so that we would be prepared for our own state.
The, another fake story. In fact, the CI met with BG and they had a discussion regarding whose camel was more laden and therefore should go first. The CI also said that the observant would eventually win because they have many more children.
Laskern, TY for the correction.
Rav Kook (Iggerot HaRaya vol. 1 pg. 170-171) wrote a letter to a rav whose sons all became communists and counseled him not to hate them and even to help them. He compared the spirit of the times to an evil seductress (see also on this Sanhedrin 26b Tosafot d”h hechashud). Rav Yosef Ettlinger was also of this view (Responsa Binyan Tzion HeChadashot 23) as does Rav Asher Weiss (Responsa Minchat Asher 1:10). If you have an hour he has a whole shiur on the subject online You can google (מחלל שבת בפרהסיא (תשע”ז.
Laskern, the Tifferet Yisrael points out that ambam says that Hebrew is called Lashon haKodesh because it has no bad words. Rather he says that the reason is found on Sanhedrin 5b where a serious mistake was made due to either someone who did not speak clearly or talmidim whose did not hear clearly.
After the Har Nof massacre Rav Asher Weiss ruled that all of his congregants who have gun licenses should bring them to shul.
Joseph, Rav Moshe does not say that. On the contrary, he says that in our time someone who desecrates Shabbat does not do so because he has renounced Judaism but for some imagined benefit.
Rambam (Hilchot Mamrim 3:1) says that the Karaites in his time were condiderd tinokkot shenishbu because they were raised in their beliefs. This is exactly analogous to today’s non-observant Jews. They truly believe that religious commandments are optional. Non-observant coworkers even used the words “prohibited to you” . The Rema (YD 340:5 in the name of the Or Zarua) apparently rules like him.
This sounds like the argument over masechet Beitza. The Tifferet Yisrael says at the beginning of the masechta that the Gra’s son said that he Gra said “beitza”:. He gives an interesting reason for the change. Look it up.
Thinker, in Israel it is not used. FYI, i was in a shiur given by a a rabv who learned in Kol Torah and he said לסבר.
Fake Maven, you are indeed. Rambam says that Hashem’s “middot” are actually expressions of His will. What we cannot know is what He is.
Laskern & FM, להסביר את האוזן means that you are explaining the ear.
לשבר את האוזן is no longer used as it means to smash it (although the Academy of the Hebrew Language points out that it is meant figuratively – to break the barrier to the intellect). The expression is
לסבר את האוזן. That is to say, to make the statement appear reasonable (סביר),Laskern, that is what I wrote.
ובגלל הדבר הזה הדעת האמיתי אצלי לפי האמונות התוריות והנאות לדעות העיוניות הוא שלא יאמן בנמצאות כולם שהם מפני מציאות האדם אבל יהיו גם כן שאר הנמצאות כולם מכוונות לעצמם לא מפני דבר אחר. ותבטל גם כן שאלת התכלית בכל מיני הנמצאות ואפילו לפי דעתנו בחידוש העולם. שאנחנו נאמר כל חלקי העולם המציאם ברצונו – ומהם מכונים לעצמם ומהם מפני דבר אחר האחר ההוא מכון לעצמו. וכמו שרצה שיהיה מין האדם נמצא כן רצה שיהיו השמים וכוכביהם נמצאים וכן רצה שיהיו המלאכים נמצאים – וכל נמצא אמנם כון בו עצם הנמצא ההוא ומה שאי אפשר מציאותו אלא אחר הקדמות דבר המציא הדבר ההוא תחילה כהקדים ההרגשה לשכל. וכבר נאמר זה הדעת גם כן בספרי הנבואה – אמר “כל פעל יי למענהו” אפשר שיהיה זה הכינוי שב אל הפעול; ואם יהיה שב אל הפועל יהיה פרושו למען עצמו ית’ – רצונו לומר רצונו שהוא עצמו כמו שהתבאר בזה המאמר. וכבר בארנו שעצמו ית’ יקרא גם כן ‘כבודו’ באמרו “הראני נא את כבודך” – הנה יהיה גם כן אמרו ‘כל פעל יי למענהו’ כאמרו “כל הנקרא בשמי ולכבודי בראתיו יצרתיו אף עשיתיו” – יאמר כל מה שיוחס לי פעולתו אמנם עשיתיו למען רצוני לא זולת זה; ואמרו ‘יצרתיו אף עשיתיו’ הוא מה שבארתי לך שיש נמצאות אי אפשר מציאותם אלא אחר מציאות דבר אחר – אמר אני יצרתי את הדבר ההוא הראשון אשר אי אפשר מבלתי הקדימו כחומר על דרך משל לכל בעל חומר; אחר עשיתי בדבר ההוא הקודם או אחריו מה שהיתה כונתי להמציא. ואין שם אלא רצון לבד:
Guide 3:13 Ibn Tibbon translation
Laskern, He did not create to become greater but to fulfill a desire to give.
Laskern, Rav Ashlag says in Torat Eser haSefirot that it was created because Hashem wanted to give. Rambam in Moreh Nevuchim that nothing was created for us per se. It was all created for Hashem.
Stuart, Rabbi Avram Belinski a.k.a. Gene Wilder fainted.
HaLeVi, what do you mean by “active”? Free choice is a fundamental principle of Judaism.
1.41421356237309504880168872420969807856967187537694807317667973799…, some say that Hashem could know but does not look. I think that it is also possible that it is a matter of probability. Moreover, according to Rav Dessler (Kuntras Nekudat haBechira) tzaddik and rasha are relative to the individuals givens. For example, a person who was born into an assimilated family will have an easier judgement than someone born into a yeshiva family. This is in line with Rambam’s statement (Hilchot teshuva 3:2) that only Hashem knows the magnitude of mitzvot and aveirot even though in the first chapter he seems to say that the magnitude of aveirot is based on the punishment.
HaLeVi, people write the darndest things. In any case, we already took over. The Israeli police have no trouble limiting Moslems who can go there. The fact that the Bet haMikdash has not yet been built is because of halachic problems as well as the fact that we are not yet on the requisite spiritual level.
Laskern, the Gemara also does not discuss electricity. Should we be like the Amish? Both Ramban and the Arizal discuss gilgulim so the subject is definitely normative Judaism.
Laskern, I heard that the Maggid of Wilkommer screamed against that Tifferet Yisrael and proved from pesukim that it is incorrect. Later someone found similar stories about Socrates and Aristotle. However, I did read recently about a neuroscientist named James Fallon who discovered to his shock that his brain scan matched those of psychopathic murderers although he is happily married and has never been in trouble with the law. He wound up writing a book about it called The Psychopath Inside: A Neuroscientist’s Personal Journey into the Dark Side of the Brain.
HaLeVi,
1. Islamists recognize the right of non-Moslem monotheists to live i their countries but as second-class citizens (dhimmi).
2. The Brits did not incite hatred they simply empowered those who did such as the Mufti ym”s.
3. a. True. Emir Faisal was in favor of a Jewish state so long as Moslems would have freedom of religion.
b. They allowed it but again they did not incite it themselves.
4. I would also say the converse. Religions sometimes become ethnic or ideological groups. For example, when someone was asked if there were atheists in Northern Ireland he was told that there were many but some were Catholic atheists and some were Protestant atheists.
5. The fact of the matter is that our claim to EY is religious. BG even said that our title deed is the Tanach. Similarly, the Arabs cannot compromise because of a religious claim or fear of those who have a religious claim.646, why can’t they? Ben-Gurion did. In any case, they have no real leadership and, as I posted, after Abbas goes the situation will completely disintegrate.
646,
1. a. The Iranians don’t attack because they still do not have long-range missiles and are busy in Syria. The Saudis have made peace with the idea that Israel is here to stay. They are also mostly concerned with Iran. There is an Arabic saying that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
b. If Arafat would not accept 99% and certainly would not recognize Israel what will the much weaker Abbas do? Besides, he obviously lies the present situation, as does Hamas, because he has not declared a state.
c. Abbas is 83, sick and has no successor. What will happen after he goes?
d. Do you believe that Hashem gave it to us? If so, would you agree to share your house with someone who comes in and squats?
3. I agree regarding economic cooperation but that does not require giving them a state. There can be some kind of extraterritorial Jordanian arrangement.L, I started on thread on that subject. You are invited to comment.
Akuperma,
1. In the case of EY the Brits did more than that. They violated the Mandate by severely limiting Jewish immigration and encouraging Arab immigration.
2. I do not know what are the relative levels of piety among different Arab groups. In J-S they are mostly secular except in the Hevron area but Gaza is pretty Moslem. I also do not know how you define a religious Jewish state. Shabbat and Jewish holidays are legal days of rest and non-essential government employees even are off for Chol haMoed. The Army is kosher and does not allow chametz to brought onto bases during Pesach (tough on Druze soldiers). Jewish law (Mishpat Ivri) has legal standing and is not only often cited in legal opinions but the Knesset has a full-time employee who researches halachic aspects of proposed laws (I know him personally) and the ministry of Justice has a whole section for Jewish law.
3. Jewish-Arab criminal activity mainly involves Arabs who hold Israeli citizenship. Like their law-abiding brethren they know on which side their bread is buttered.
Why is being able to speak in broken German considered an accomplishment?
1. You have not addressed my point about terrorist attacks. We have no idea how many are nipped in the bud because the IDF and Shabak have freedom of movement in J-S. You have also not explained why Hamas is not afraid (it is obvious why Israel has not obliterated Gaza).
2. The Arabs in J-S never had self-rule. They were first ruled by the Turks and then the British. Under Jordan they were subjects of an absolute Bedouin monarchy. They are a non-people.
3. On the contrary, as I previously posted Israeli businesses do invest in J-S and hire Arabs for much more than they could get under Abbas’ kleptocracy. There are also joint ventures between Jewish and Arab entrepreneurs. However, the BDS is trying to push them out and the kleptocrats are not telling them to shut up.
ChadGadya, see http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=53344&pgnum=236
According to Rav Charlap (Mei Marom Bamidbar vol. 11 p. 167)
עצם הדין שהבועל ארמית חייב מיתה אינו אלא בזמן שיש קנאים. שאלה מתוך הרגשתם בקדושת ישראל ורוממותם, באים לגלות את הקדושה הזאת, ומתוך זה מתחייב הלה מיתה. אבל כאשר אין קנאים, ואין כאלו המתעוררים על עומק קדושתם של ישראל, באמת אין הלה חייב מיתה. חיוב המיתה מכח הקנאי הוא בא, ולא מצד הבועל. ובזה מובן … כיצד היה מותר לו (=לזמרי) להרוג את פינחס, עד שאפילו לא יתחייב על כך. אבל לדברינו שחיוב המיתה בא דווקא כאשר הקנאים פוגעים בו ולא קודם לכן, נמצא שלפני שנהרג זמרי, לא היה הוא באמת חייב מיתה
In any case, the deed must be done in front of ten Jews exactly at the time of the deed (Rambam, Hilchot Issurei Biah 11:4). If the boel kills the kanai he is exempt from punishment. I would imagine that there would have to be a trial to determine if the killer is really a kanai. There might even be a determination by the authorities in their right and duty to maintain public order (mishpat hamelech) that no one today is on that level, as Rav Charlap suggests.
646,
1. Apparently the Hamas is not as fearful as the Iranians (who do not yet have missiles that can reach Israel from their country) and Syrians. Moreover, the fact that the IDF and Shabak have freedom of action in Judea-Samaria prevents many terror attacks.
2. According to international law a country may annex land taken in a defensive war. In any case, J-S (as well as Jordan) was set aside by the San Remo agreement as part of the Jewish state. There are also precedents for expelling hostile populations (e.g. the Greek-Turkish population transfer of 1923 of the expulsion of the Volksdeutsche from several European countries after WW2)
3. J-S is ours according to Hashem’s law.CS, if it was out of character maybe he did not exactly say that. Rabbanim very often make nuanced statements that different people hear according to what they want to hear. Once some people took a dispute to Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook. As soon as they left they argued over what he said.
CS, what is an “act of Pinchas”? A woman entering a shul during a chachnasat sefer Torah is not listed as one of the jobs of a kanai. Does that mean that if the guard had shoved him back she would have been justified? It may have been a maaseh Rav Ada bar Ahava (Berachot 20a) but then he might have to pay her a large sum of money as compensation (ibid).
AJ, personally I think that in general the rules of the “Torah wing” are criminal coddling. I even heard from a relative of his that a certain “rav” is very happy there as he has a chevruta with another “rav” and so far they have learned 200 pages of Gemara.
646, they have only themselves and their “leaders” to blame. In 5708 they could have gotten even more but they refused. Arafat ym”s could have gotten 99% but he refused. According to pols the vast majority support terror. Those individuals who are willing to live in peace live very well. I live on a settlement so I see their houses and cars. I see that some of the Arab workers in an area supermarket even have supervisory jobs. In fact, yesterday I saw an Arab woman walking alone in the middle of my settlement (no Jew could do that in any Arab village) . When I asked someone about her I was told that she is a doctor in the clinic.
CS, I looked him up and he seems to be a reputable rav so I cannot believe that he said what you claim. In fact, Rav Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg said that if he had a nickel for every time he was misquoted he would be a rich man. When someone complained to Rav Moshe about the Chatam Sofer being misquoted he said “People misquote me and I’m still alive”. Even in the Gemara there are arguments between chachamim over what tehre rav said with each swearing that he was correct. In any case, Schlisel is clearly an extremely disturbed person. I would classify him as Chareidi except in the colloquial sense. The same goes for “Chareidi” fraudsters.
646,
1. Jordan was carved out of the British Mandate of Palestine in 1922 in violation of the San Remo agreement.
2. Jordan illegally annexed Judea and Samaria in 1948, conferred citizenship on the Arabs there and later revoked it. It is already 70% Fakestinian. Many Arab notables in J-S see Abdullah II as their king (and ave compleat contempt for the PA kleptocracy).
3. Do you believe that hashem gave EY to the Jewish people? Read Rashi’s first comment on the Chumash.000646, they already have a state. It is called Jordan. The fact of the matter is they do not want a state. That is why they do not declare one and why Arafat ym”s refused Ehud Barak’s offer of 99% of Judea and Samaria plus eastern Jerusalem. They prefer eternal victimhood. That is the highest honor a leftist can bestow.
Unfortunately, “Chareidi” has become an quasi-ethnic group complete with identification politics (see the complaints about Judge Freier) as has “Chiloni”. Rav Kook decried this in Massa haMachanot and wrote that it prevents teshuva as the former think that they are without sin and the latter think that a religious concept does not apply to them. IMHO, this may have been Acher’s mistake.
000646, not if they do not belong there. Besides, do you think that they will govern themselves should they be given a state c”v? Both the Abbas regime and Hmas are brutal kleptocracies that trample on basic civil rights. Moreover, Abbas is 83, in very poor health and has no successor. This means that when he goes the way of all flesh there will be a very nasty civil war. This is why those Arabs who hold Israeli citizenship are insistent that they remain Israeli citizens. As for those who don’t, the best thing for them is Jordanian citizenship. They can vote for the Jordanian parliament just as I can vote for Congress and POTUS. They can even be given exterritorial seats as in the French
Assembly of French Citizens Abroad and National Assembly, which has eleven seats for expats.Joseph, I already posted that. However, to save you the trouble of scrolling up I will repeat it. They should be offered a generous emigration package by an international fund. According to polls the vast majority would take it. Those who stay should be offered either full citizenship on condition that they sign a loyalty oath and do national service. The rest should receive permanent residency with full personal rights (e.g. labor laws would apply to them) but no political rights.
DY, Mendelssohn also thought that denying are national aspect and would solve all our problems. The Dreyfuss case proved him wrong and the Holocaust settled it.
000646,
1. Given the fact that the other parties will not agree to the best all around solution – paying them to emigrate t countries that need immigrants, the present situation is the best (and BTW, Arabs who have clean records work in Israeli enterprises in Judea and Samaria at much more than they can dream of getting in the רשעות הפלסטינאית.
2. The status quo has been sustained for over 51 years.
Shopping, what is the difference between the two groups?
000646 (so why the triple zero – does that signify the value of your comments?), there has never been a country called “Palestine”. It is the name given to EY by the Romans in a futile attempt to erase our ownership). In fact, when Mark Twain visited here the land was almost empty, as he describes in The Innocents Abroad. The ancestors of the Arabs who are squatting on our land came when Zionist settlement opened up economic opportunities. They are a fake people.
Dor, maybe the Trump team realizes that there is no practical solution being that the Arabs and Europeans see it in their interest to prolong the status quo. Have you ever wondered why Abbas does not declare state nor soes Hamas? They prefer their present kleptocracies.
000646 (BTW, what is the meaning of that number?), FYI the ENTIRE Ottoman province of Palestine was given to the British ym”s by the League of Nations to establish a Jewish state. They partially reneged by creating Transjordan (now Jordan) in 1922 in order to reward Abdullah I for services rendered in WW1. They then further reneged by severely limiting Jewish immigration while allowing unlimited Arab immigration. Thus Jordan is Palestine. Judea and Samaria should be part of Israel. Read the Faisal-Weizmann agreement and the Levy report.
BTW, the Jordan Times, which is mostly owned by the government Social Security fund, recently published a pro-Trump article by veteran former diplomat Walid M. Sadi . Look for a plan for Jordanian citizenship to be restored to the Arabs and some sort of joint administration.
DY, there has already been a bat kol. The only deniers are the NK and the BDS.