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Avi KParticipant
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1. If a vet is not qualified for a job why would any sane employer hire him? The answer is job training. I would add that the student loan program should be junked as it only encourages bloated tuition fees and useless majors. The merit system should also be restored. CCNY was the gateway to the middle class for thousands of children of immigrants, mainly Jews, when it was a meritocracy. When Open Admissions went in in went down the tubes. In fact, I would restore the apprentice system, along with formal courses, for professions. Washington never attended college but was a surveyor. Lincoln never even earned a BA but was a successful lawyer. Truman also never attended college.
2. Abarbanel also opposed monarchy. He believed, based on bitter experience and the record in the Tanach, that it will always lead to despotism. He considered the republics of Venice and Florence to be models for government.
Avi KParticipantThe Israelites did not ask Pharoah for scholarships.
Avi KParticipantCTL,
Having multiple businesses also has a cost. I knew someone who owned a hardware store and then decided to open a second store. He was working so long that his marriage fell apart. Then both stores failed. A healthy work-life balance also makes one a better worker. In fact, according to Halacha an employee may not moonlight without permission as it could harm his performance.Avi KParticipantIt, learn it yourself. The very first mishna says that all is according to local custom. Moreover, the employee can accept a condition not in accordance with the custom. In fact, in monetary matters two parties can even make a condition not in accordance with Torah law (SA CM 296:5).
Avi KParticipantIt, do you consider the Baal haTanya to have been an apikoros c”v? Here is what he wrote (Iggerot Kodesh #22):
My dear friend….”Remember the days of old, understand the years of every generation” – has there ever been anything like this since the beginning of time?! Where, in all the books of the scholars of Israel, whether the earlier or later ones, have you ever seen such a custom instituted, to ask about a secular question, such as what to do in some mundane matter, even from the greatest of the early wise men of Israel, such as the Tannaim and Amoraim…but rather [people would turn to] actual prophets, such as there used to be, such as Shmuel the Seer, to whom Saul went to ask about the donkeys which his father had lost. But in truth, all matters relating to a person, other than something having to do with Torah or fear of heaven, are not apprehended other than through prophecy, and not by a wise man. As our rabbis have taught, “Everything is in the hands of heaven other than fear of heaven…” And when our rabbis zt”l said that people “derive benefit from him [from a talmid chacham] by advice and sound wisdom,” this refers to words of Torah, which is called “sound wisdom” [Translation from Rabbi Alfred Cohen in his article on Daas Torah]
Being that we do not have prophesy we must rely on professionals. For example, if we want to know if someone must eat on Yom Kippur we ask a doctor, even if he is not Jewish. Similarly, in matters of Economics we ask economists. The Halacha, as Rav Chaim David haLevi says, only sets the goals, not the means.
Avi KParticipantIt, how so? Is there a halachic view on which model car to buy? The Baal haTanya complained bitterly about people who bother rabbanim with questions on secular matters. Of course, if a rav is also an economist one can ask him in his economist role. Rabbi Prof. (Emeritus) Israel Kirzner is an example (and BTW, his teacher in Economics was Ludwig von Mises, who was an anti-religious Jew).
Avi KParticipantNo. In fact, technically a worker can agree to accept any condition as in monetary matters a condition always applies – even against a Torah law. Secular law does not allow it and it may have a halachic status.
However, according to most economists it causes unemployment by pricing labor above the value of its production. It is also inflationary as there is more money. Both are functions of the Law of Supply and Demand. Thus it is counter-productive.
As for the restaurant owner in Seattle, maybe he would have another six without the raise. Or maybe he cut labor costs. You, laskern, have committed the logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this). Your statement is akin to someone saying “Hocus Pocus”, rain falling ,and then saying that the rain was caused by his statement.
Avi KParticipantMDG,
1. No one today is on Yosef’s level.
2. Rashi says that the wine steward was known as an ingrate who never helped anybody.
3. A person has an obligation towards his employer to work as hard as he can. Even if he is self-employed he should still give his all. Thus, Yaakov asked the shepherds why they were sitting around doing nothing whether they were working for someone else or themselves,Avi KParticipantBisBoy, the problem is that no one knows what is “extra” for him.
Avi KParticipantDY, not true. When Israelis want to use vulgar words they use English or Arabic.
Avi KParticipantWe are required to do hishtadlut. Chazal say that a man is obligated to teach his son a trade or profession and if he fails to do so he teaches him to rob and steal (Kiddushin 29a). In general, when something is given one must go out and get it. For example, a farmer must leave a corner of his field for the poor but they must come and collect what they need.
Avi KParticipantIt,
4. I have never, ever heard that term. It also does not appear in the online Hebrew dictionary “Milog”.
5. I do not know the statistics. However, I do know that Yiddish turned at least one perfectly acceptable German word word into a vulgar word.Avi KParticipantIts,
1. The Gemara says it (Berachot 34b).
2. A polyglot is someone who speaks many languages. It is not a language itself.
3. Rav Ovadia says that the Israeli pronunciation is the correct one. He goes on to say that the various Ashkenazi pronunciations are distortions caused by the constant expulsions in Europe. He goes on to say that Ashkenazim should junk their Galut pronunciation already.It is certainly a mistake to emphasize the next to last syllable on most words. Not to mention mistakes like “shabbosim” (even in Ashkenazis it should be “shabbassos).
4. I think that you made up “Achshavit”.
5. Plenty of crudity is found in Yiddish literature and speech. Some of I.B. Singer’s stories are cases in point.Avi KParticipantNeville, the Klingons did teshuva. Where they stand a tzaddik gamur cannot stand.
Yosef,
1. As a matter of fact, there is a story about a woman who went into a butcher shop n Boro Park and spoke in Hungarian. When the butcher told her that he only spoke Yiddish and English she asked if he was Jewish.
2. I was also thinking about medieval literary Arabic as all of the Sephardi philosophical literature was written in it.Avi KParticipantMy point in all this is that there is only one holy language. One language that unites all of Am Yisrael. That language is Hebrew.
Avi KParticipantI thought that old (new) home is Eretz Yisrael. I guess some people have intention for the Pale of Settlement when they ask Hashem to bring us back to our land.
Avi KParticipantIt, do you observe Tisha b”Av. If so you also are against being in galut.
Ubi, I wrote “a modified version”. <edited> although I see now that it is not exactly Rav Goren’s nusach. Basically, it changes עיר to מקדש (and therefore lashon nekeiva to zachar – for example, בניו rather than בניה).
Avi KParticipantJoseph, the “design” is the galut. Up to the churban bayit rishon all Jews spoke lashon hakodesh.
Avi KParticipantSyag, Geula unfolds gradually (Yerushalmi Berachot 1:1). Since 5708 we have been in an increasing stage of Geula. As I live in EY I am not in Galut by definition (Rav Kook did say that there are some whose souls are in Galut even though their bodies are in EY but I hope that it does not apply to me). Thus, in my community we say a modified (by Rav Goren) nusach of “Nachem”.
July 20, 2018 6:35 am at 6:35 am in reply to: What gives police the right to impound the car? #1562241Avi KParticipantשו”ע חו”מ ס’ שסט סע’ ח
וכן מלך שכעס על אחד מעבדיו ושמשיו מבני המדינה ולקח שדהו או חצירו אינו גזל ומותר ליהנות בה והלוקחה מהמלך הרי הוא שלו ואין הבעלים מוציאין אותה מידו (וכ”כ לעיל ס”ס רל”ז)
אבל מלך שלקח שדה או חצר של אחד מבני המדינה שלא בדינים שחקק הרי זה גזלן והלוקח ממנו מוציאין הבעלים מידו כללו של דבר כל דין שיחקוק אותו המלך לכל ולא יהיה לאדם אחד בפני עצמו אינו גזל וכל שיקח מאיש זה בלבד שלא כדת הידוע לכל אלא חמס את זה הרי זה גזל:
הגה: ואם חקק לבעל אומנות אחד כגון שחקק למלוה בריבית איזה דבר י”א דלא אמרינן ביה דינא דמלכותא דינא הואיל ואינו חקוק לכל (מהרי”ק שורש ס”ו) י”א דלא אמרינן דינא דמלכותא דינא אלא במסים ומכסים התלוים בקרקע כי המלך גוזר שלא ידורו בארצו כי אם בדרך זה אבל בשאר דברים לא (הרא”ש פ”ד דנדרים בשם הר”מ ומרדכי פ’ הגוזל בתרא) וי”ח וסבירא להו דאמרינן בכל דבר דינא דמלכותא דינא (מרדכי שם בשם התוס’ ות”ה סי’ ש”ט) ולכן המלוה על המשכון יכול למכרו אחר שנה הואיל וכן דינא דמלכותא (שם בשם ר”י בר פרץ) וכן הוא עיקר וכמו שנתבאר לעיל סי’ שנ”ו סעיף ז’:
In Israel there is also the din of cherem hakahal.
Avi KParticipantCherrybim, many non-Hispanics speak Spanish. Does that make Spanish a non-Hispanic language?
Avi KParticipantUbi,
1. Yiddish is a relic of a galut for which there should be zero nostalgia.
2. All this nonsense about Yiddish being holy is racist – and I am half-Sephardic.Cherry, what about Ladino (spoken by Judíos)?
Izzyg, how did the younger members feel about that?
Avi KParticipantUbi, in fact, I have considered petitioning the German Research Foundation to include Yiddish along with Rabaul Creole German (Unserdeutsch) as a German creole. Perhaps a few of the posters here can apply for grants.
Yosef, would they also tell Sephardim that there is a preference for Yiddish?
Avi KParticipant1. Something is holy if it has at least one hole. In Jerusalem, for example, there is a chain of food stores called “The Holy Bagel”. It becomes holy when one puts a hole in it.
2. If someone’s name is Ehrlich and he does aveirot should he change his name.
3. What is “linguistically inept”? Jews in Antwerp typically speak six languages (Hebrew, Yiddish, English, French, Flemish and German). Is someone who only speaks five linguistically inept?
July 17, 2018 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm in reply to: Would you let your children listen to non-jewish music? #1559511Avi KParticipantKnaidlach, I have also listened to Simon & Garfunkel (do they count?), John Denver, Elton John (toeva) , etc. I have even listened to Motown songs. Does this mean that my soul is attuned to the whole world? What about Rav Ovadia, who loved listening to Umm Kulthum, even when he learned?
July 17, 2018 10:36 am at 10:36 am in reply to: Would you let your children listen to non-jewish music? #1559512Avi KParticipantWhat about Chassidic music that comes from non-Jewish sources?
Avi KParticipantAY, it is well known and documented that Rav Kook already preferred to speak in Hebrew in Volozhin. I obviously do not know how well your parents spoke Hebrew but Rav Shlomo Aviner was commented thath is grandfather was once by a rav who only spoke “Hebrew” on Shabbat. The rav would say things like “roitzeh shoitteh?” in a valiant but futile attempt. Even major talmidei chachamim made glaring mistakes in speaking (I once attended a lecture on this). Even in writing there are many grammatical errors in sefarim (e.g. נשים חשובים).
As for having heard mussar talks (BTW “shmuess” comes from שמועות – news, not such a holy source), what about those who heard the Ben Ish Hai’s talks in Baghdad Jewish Arabic? It is said that small children were so awed that they sat quietly for hours. Does this make Baghdad Jewish Arabic holy?
Regarding modern Hebrew, just as a person can undergo giur so can a word. The Shela haKadosh says (Sanhedrin 4b regarding “tot” and “fot”) that some words were lost from Lashon haKodesh but retained by other peoples. Perhaps by bringing them back we are bringing back the sparks of kedusha in those languages.
July 17, 2018 1:02 am at 1:02 am in reply to: Would you let your children listen to non-jewish music? #1559398Avi KParticipantKnaidlach, does that mean that a Litvak should not listen to Chassidic music. If I do not approve of draft dodgers should I refrain from listening to their music? What about someone who claims that Reform Jews are not Jewish?
Avi KParticipantIt,
1.Rav Lichtenstein did not come to America until age eight so English was his third language after Yiddish and French.
2. Rav Yaakov changed the language of instruction to English in the Fifties because he felt it was too hard for kids to learn in a language they did not speak. Ditto Rav Soloveichik.Avi KParticipantJoseph, Rambam, Ramban, Rashaba and Ritzva did not speak creole German. Neth di the Radbaz, the Arizal. the Chida, Rav Chaim Palaggi, the Ben Ish Hai, etc. Rav Ovadia even made fun of the Ashkenazi pronunciation of Hebrew.
It, When Rav Charlop first met Rav Kook he addressed him in creole German. Rav Kook said “Being that you are new here I will not hold it against you. However, you should know that one does not address me in Jargon”.
I reiterate, “Yid” is a pejorative in English. Archie Bunker, in fact, used it.
Avi KParticipantZD,
1. Regarding the Septuagint, the point is that it did not make Greek holy (and BTW, the lingua franca of the roman Middle East was not classical Greek but Koine Greek).
2. The takkana to use Yiddish was a response to the Neolog (Reform) who were, as they said, more Hungarian than the Hungarians. BTW, the bachurim in Pressburg earned an external academic diploma in return for a draft exemption as theological students. This stood the Orthodox in good stead when Franz Josef was forced to sign a compromise with the Hungarians that included him speaking in Hungarian, which is an extremely difficult language, while in Hungary. The head of the Neologs spoke to him in literary Hungarian, which annoyed him very much. When the Chief Rabbi, Rav Koppel Weiss, first met him the Emperor started to rattle off his prepared speech when the rabbi interrupted him and told him in perfect German that he did not understand Hungarian. FJ patted him on the shoulder and said “We are two old gentlemen. We will never learn this language”.Ubi, the first generation to grow up in America also did not use Yiddish in their daily lives except for a word here and there. In any case, Yiddish was certainly not spoken by Sephardim (who mainly spoke Ladino) or the Eidot haMizrach (Judeo-Arabic). Yiddish is simply a dialect of German. in fact, I have a friend whose wife is from Switzerland. She told me that Yiddish is close enough to Swiss-German that she can understand it if the person speaks slowly.
Avi KParticipantKnaidlach, not true. James Cagney spoke fluent Yiddish and used it in two of his movies. Colin Powell is also fluent in it. Someone told me that when her mother was sitting in a park the Arab cleaner complained about the mess in the Yiddish he learned as a child in the Old City.
Avi KParticipantMake, Xtianity is half Jewish. Is it also holy?
ZD, on the contrary, that day was as dark for Am Yisrael as the day on which the golden calf was made.
Yosef,
1. It depends on the person. If he needs the language for parnassa he might get a heter.
4. My experience is that kids (and adults) do mix languages but also know how to speak in one language.Some kids even speak each language with the proper accent. What is a problem is when the parents speak to the kid in different languages from the get-go as absorbing both at the same time is too difficult for a toddler.Avi KParticipantBais, actually it is creole German. Agnon wrote a story about a Polish rabbi who went to germany for medical treatment. Every time he spoke in Yiddish the locals corrected him.
Tiawd, why not learn Judeo-Persian or Bukhori.
It’s, Rav Kook disagreed with him.
Avi KParticipantJD, I do not know how true that is today. Paradoxically, when non-Jewish clubs started to accept Jews and restrictive covenants went out the window Jews became less Jewish culturally. This opened the door to intermarriage as people no longer perceived that there was a difference. I think that his is also true of other white ethnic groups. At one time an italian would only marry an Italian, etc. Now this is not so true. Moreover, many non-Jews have such a positive view of Jews that they seek Jewish spouses. On one secular Jewish dating site 5% of the member are open about not being Jewish.
Avi KParticipantA Jew who sins remains a Jew (Sanhedrin 44a). Rav Soloveichik, in Five Derashot explains that there are two aspects to Jewishness: the national aspect (haberit ben habeitarim), which is not connected to free choice and the religious aspect (berit Horev), which is. In fact, we see that a secular Jew today will scream if someone contends that he is not Jewish.
As for the O.P.’s question, Rav Kook explains (Al HaKefira that kefira has its source in some lack among observant Jews. In fact, the Chafetz Chaim once commented that if a Jew in Vilna puts down his Gemara to early a Jew in Paris (then a secular bastion) will eat pork. Thus there is areivut.
As for children of non-Jewish mothers, while they are not halachically Jewish some mekubbalim say that there is an inyan to bring them back. The work of Rav Eliahu Avichail and of Michael Freund’s “Shavei Yisrael” is well-known.
July 6, 2018 1:22 am at 1:22 am in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1553474Avi KParticipantJack,
1. Don’t be disingenuous.
2. So what is?
3. Only half tongue in cheek. If someone is relocating anyway why chose another galut? What really made me sick was an article in a certain “Hareidi” magazine trumpeting the revived Jewish community in Berlin. @TLTIK, if Rav Meir Simcha could not move German Jew to make aliya what can I do. Secular Jews are disappearing anyway. Orthodox Jews will soon have no place in Western countries except possible, thank to Trump, the US. Why I think that is is a whole other subject.
4. So let the USPS trim the waste and be competitive. Anyway, what is so bad about charging according to distance? Buses do it. Besides, with email snail mail is a museum piece. We have saved the trees.July 4, 2018 8:09 am at 8:09 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1552020Avi KParticipantIt, that is a complement. Chazal also said it about Avraham Avinu saddling his own donkey.
July 4, 2018 12:49 am at 12:49 am in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1551990Avi KParticipantJackk,
1. What about FBI agents explicitly working against his election? Is that respect for the Constitution and separation of powers? As for trade wars, he wants a fairer deal for America. What’s wrong with that. I also wouldn’t care so much if he blocked Jews from coming. Let them make aliya.Little, so what if Amazon bankrupts the USPS? I would completely privatize it and let the free market decide. This is, in fact, the true public interest.
As for alternatives, I od not see any of the abovementioned candidates running in 2020. It takes a great deal to unseat a President from leading his own party. So far as I know it has not happened, at least not in the last 100 years. As for the Democrats, that party is drifting increasing into leftist never-never land. They might as well call it the Sanderscratic Party.
July 3, 2018 9:52 am at 9:52 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1550858Avi KParticipantInterestingly though 5751 was the year of the Oslo accords.
July 3, 2018 9:52 am at 9:52 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1550857Avi KParticipant1. This seems to be Rav Kook’s sheeta.
2. I never heard that. However, according to the Gra if Am Yisrael prays for him he will not die,July 3, 2018 9:28 am at 9:28 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1550815Avi KParticipantNeville, Rav Kook seems to say that he is a movement. Perhaps he is the State of Israel. This might not be an abstract concept but an entity. Similarly, both Rav Kook and Rav Soloveichik say that a tzibbor is an entity by itself. Thus, according to RS, we continue to say Chazarat HaShatz even though all have siddurim and need not motzied. RK goes on to say that unlike other nations, which are only collections of individuals, Am Yisrael is a collective entity with the individual its limbs and organs similar to the relationship between an individual person and his limbs and organs.
July 3, 2018 12:15 am at 12:15 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1550769Avi KParticipantNeville,
1. So what if Rav Kook’s sheeta does not agree with them?
2. There are actually two mashiachs. This is explicit in the Gemara (Sukka 52a). According to Rabbi Hillel Rivlin’s exposition of the Gra’s sheeta it is clear that Mashiach ben Yosef is here.
3. The thread is about the Geula being here. The Geula unfolds slowly in stages (Yerushalmi Berachot 1:1).July 3, 2018 12:15 am at 12:15 am in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1550770Avi KParticipantAvram, are you saying that the US should take in all comers? How exactly would you monitor them without establishing a totalitarian state?
July 2, 2018 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1550286Avi KParticipantAvram, it is a crime to try and enter the US illegally. See The Truth about Separating Kids By Rich Lowry in National review.
Midwest, which of the sheva mitzvot did he violate? That is not to say that he will be a choir boy or get an Artscroll bio. However, many politicians did the same things he did and are leftist icons. JFK was just the tip of the iceberg. Then there was Teddy the drunken murderer who dared to lecture the Senate on morality during the Bork confirmation hearings.. What about the moll of the Clinton crime family who declared war on traditional religion?
July 2, 2018 7:21 am at 7:21 am in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1550115Avi KParticipantCK,
1. I disagree.
2. I disagree.
3. It is a major problem and chillul Hashem that the frum world depends on these programs. It will come back to haunt them if the increasingly leftist Dems get back in power c”v just as it is in the UK and Belgium. Unless of course Trump’s judicial nominations get in the way. Just for that frum Jews should vote Rep.July 2, 2018 7:21 am at 7:21 am in reply to: Should serial killers be held responsible? (T) #1550114Avi KParticipantRY, maybe he is telling us to remember the day of death.
Avi KParticipantAnybody for chumrot on ben adam lachaveiro?
July 2, 2018 7:20 am at 7:20 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1550112Avi KParticipantAdam, first of all, there are two Mashiachs: Mashiach ben Yosef, whose job is kibbutz galuyot and building the material aspect of EY, and Mashiach ben David, who job is to build the spiritual aspect (Kol HaTor by Rabbi Hillel Rivlin). Rav Kook (HMisped b’Yerushalaym – said at a gathering to commemorate the conclusion of the shiva for Herzl) held that the Zionist movement in general was the ikva d’MBY. The text can be accessed online. There is also has a commentary (in Hebrew) on the Betel Yeshiva site .
July 1, 2018 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1549842Avi KParticipantWhitte car, you’re right. TY for reminding me.
Crazy,
1. What he does is much more important then what he says.
2. If you made a bad deal you get out and cut your losses.
3. Let the blue states cut their enormous expenses. -
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