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If you want an answer please be a sincere person and go to someone directly that can give an opinion and explain you what the Rebbe means.Not evey yankul todris has a right to have a opinion.
CS
I don’t know who you are, but please don’t give any explanation.Someone who just wants to ask to mock askes on the coffee room someone who is sincere ask sitting person.
And again if you understand the points I posted earlier if will be a lot easier to understand. You can’t have an opinion if you don’t know the concepts.
All I can do is to post the Rebbes words.
דער אמת איז אבער ניט אזוי. כשם ווי ישראל אורייתא וקוב”ה כולא חד, ניט נאר וואָס ישראל מתקשרין באורייתא ואורייתא בקוב”ה, נאר טאקע חד ממש, אַזוי איז אויך די התקשרות פון חסידים מיטן רבי’ן, ניט ווי צוויי זאכן וואס פאראייניקן זיך, נאר עס ווערט כולא חד ממש. און דער רבי איז ניט קיין ממוצע המפסיק נאָר אַ ממוצע המחבר. במילא איז דאָך ביי אַ חסיד, ער מיט דעם רבין מיט דעם אויבערשטן איין זאך.
איך האב עס ניט געזען עס זאל זיך אזוי ריידן מפורש אין חסידות נאָר עס איז אַ הרגש, במילא ווער עס וויל מרגיש זיין זאל מרגיש זיין און ווער ניט, וויל איך זיך מיט אים ניט שפּאַרן, יהי לו אשר לו.
במילא איז דאָך ניט שייך צו פרעגן אַ קושיא וועגן אַ ממוצע, וויבאלד אַז דאָס איז עצומ”ה אַליין, ווי ער האָט זיך אריינגעשטעלט אין אַ גוף. ועל דרך מאמר הזהר °) מאן פני האדון דא רשב”י *) אָדער ווי, בעת השליחות איז אפילו מלאך נקרא בשם הוי’ *) אָדער ווי משה רבנו האָט געזאָגט ונתתי עשב.
Anyone please feel free to learn the full sicha yourself and please learn it with someone that actually his opinion is worth something. (Like the Rabbi’s I mentioned in a previous post)
I can say one thing that it definitely doesn’t mean the Rebbe is G-d ח”ו.
Feel free to disagree like the Rebbes own words און ווער ניט, וויל איך זיך מיט אים ניט שפּאַרן, יהי לו אשר לו. And those that have questions, how would you explain מאן פני האדון דא רשב”י and why a malach is called with hashems name, and how is it possible that Moishe said ונתתי עשב.
You can disagree, but you absolutely have no right to call Lubavichers koifrim or the Rebbe ח”ו (he said it on the frierdiker Rebbe).
And to note many many gedoilim came to the Rebbe and spoke to him in person or in writing even after he said this.
Avi K
The qualifications of being a chabad chossid are in place no matter if the captain is it live or not.
Yes there might not be a Rebbe saying to throw someone out but the “rules” are ther and there are rabbonim and the heads of the Rebbes moisdis that occasionally throw people out.
So please take back your nonsense.yisroellazear
“You won’t see them at a Siym Ha Shas or any other asifah where all b’nai Torah/ G’dolai Torah. The End”
“which we simply see Chabad “B’chutz””
Again you are completely wrong. There are many chabad daf yoimi shurim/magidei shurimin Lubaviche and some were on stage with all the chosheveh people.
And I have many Lubavicher relatives that went through Shas. (more then once)Are you not going to call them benai Torah because they’re Lubaviche???.
And those that don’t come are not beniei Torah?.Stop bad mouthing yidden. And stop with your hatred.
Yes it’s called hatred when you don’t bother checking up the facts.Avi K
“The problem with Chabad (and Breslov) is that it is a chassidut without a rebbe. That is like a ship without a captain. Anyone can claim to be Chabad or Breslov or both (yes, there are such people). The “official” Chabadniks never talk like this. they even say “the Rebbe zatsal”.”I don’t if you realize but you’re arguing with people that are much greater then you.
You are going against the Rebbes words of what a tzadik is which is brought in tayah from a mamar chazal.
Just look it up tayah igers hakoidesh chof Zain. And look up what the Rebbe said around the time of hay taives of what a Rebbe is.
When you have looked it up you would see that chabad is not “chassidus with out a Rabbe” (aderabeh the whole inyan of a Rebbe is his chassidus, his Torah , and ahavah and yirah) and you can still say zaztal. It’s not a stirah. For people that are am haratzim everything becomes a stirah.(I don’t know what this has to do with people claiming to be chabad. But either way not everyone can claim to be chabad.)
If you want to understand what it means you got to understand these points and if you don’t have an understanding what they’re then it’s just fear to say you can’t have an opinion on the topic.
Points:
What a neshomah is.
The difference between a tzadiks neshomah and a regular
neshomah.
What does it mean melubish.
What does atzmus mean.
What is Rebbe .
What’s the job of a Rebbe
And what’s so important of having a Rebbe.You can easily get the answers if you just get off the CR and go to a lubavicher that has an understanding of chassidus and can explain chassidus well. You won’t be the first 😉
To name some that are non in the velt: Rabbi YY Jacobson, Rabbi Shies Taub, Rabbi Yossi Paltiel, Rabbi Manis Freidmen. But there are many others that are good too.And just to note.
The statement does seems radical especially to those that learned chassidus. Because atzmus can’t be nislabish, and if it is then atzmus isn’t atzmus. So obviously you need to explanation.
And it’s a no brainer that you go to a Rebbi for this not a CR.
By going to the CR you give and impression that you’re not actually sincere to understand. Rather just to…….I haven’t gone make nor have the time for the CR but the heading caught my attention.
“Friends, you are never going to get them to change their minds, and as long as they hold these beliefs, they are (sort of, consult your posak/Rov) “chutz l’machenah”. Ignore them, learn as much Torah as you can, do Mitzvos Bein adam “Makom and bain adon v’chavaro. You won’t see them at a Siym Ha Shas or any other asifah where all b’nai Torah/ G’dolai Torah. The End”First of all who are you to put us chutz lemachaneh?
Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it right, especially when many gedoilim don’t have the same views as you. Aderabeh they hold of chabad.
Maybe of you learnt chassidus and understood what a true rebbe is (not a borocha machine), maybe you would understand. (There are many non lubavichers not understand)
Second you’re a complete lier there was many chabad rabonim/magidai shurim/liomdim at the siyum hashes and some were on stage. So either you’re a lier or just don’t hear enough to get the fact before you’re moitzei sham rah.This is the book Hadras Ponim Zokein, if you want to know what poskim hold regarding shaving.
https://zbermanbooks.com/%D7%94%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%AA-%D7%A4%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%96%D7%A7%D7%9FBe aware if you read it you might just feel guilty shaving.
(Even if you say it was written with an agenda. He brings the actual tzshuvaois so there’s nothing really to argue about).
Also lately there was a video posted (if I’m not misstakin) of Harav Kaniefski telling someone to cut his tshup and grow his beard).
I don’t know what all you guys call a success, but in chabad every Mitzvah is a success. Evey mitzvah bring kedusha upon the person no matter his level in Yiddishkiet. Obviously the ultimate is they should become frum, but the goal is to do as much mitzahs has possible.
It’s not Zionism, anti-zionism, Israel, or all the other mishigasim that convince/gets the person to come more affiliated, it’s straight from the neshoma, every mitzvah that you do reveals more of the natural desire every single jew has for Hashem (whether frum or not).
By default every single Jew would be doing all 613 mitzvos it’s just that his neshoma is covered up by dirt. The more you reveal the neshoma the more the more dirt falls off and being able to do more mitzvos and come closer to Hashem.The way to do it is to go to sleep for 4 hours after alois and daven shachris at the proper time, take your children to shul so they can also hear the eseres hadebrois.
My shul did that this year and everyone davened properly with no complaints.“Sigh… Everything you’re saying is super kiruvdik. You’re talking to frum yidden. We all know the first rule of kiruv is to pretend you aren’t engaged in kiruv. I don’t know why you think you have to talk to us like that.”
Did somebody brainwash you? Since when does Chabad “pretend” we aren’t doing “kiruv”?
And btw I still didn’t find a single site that 99% bashis other Gedolim.Please excuse me for my typos
To those that think and say what chabad is or not.
Call it what you want you want but Chabad is not a kiruv organization, nor did it ever call it’s a kiruv organization, (the name came from litvaks) it’s a “reviling Hashem” organization. (We don’t call it that either, but that’s our goal).Chabads shita which goes back to the Bal Shem Tov, is to reveal the eibershter in this world. It starts from yourself learning Torah doing mitzvos and learning pnimius hatorah. Then it goes to spreading it to others, to help people that are not shoimer Torah and mitzvos to start performing them, and those that don’t learn pnimius hatorah to start learning it.
In all generations this shita express it self in different ways, from that Bal Shem Tov which went around town to kids to tell them to say Baruch Hashem etc. To the last Rebbe sending shluchim to all the little derfuls around the world to mechazik yeddishkiet.Our final end goal is what it states when moshiach comes כי מלאה הארץ דעה את יהוה כמים לים מכסים
Just an example: the resent shooting in Poway CA which that Chabad Rabbi got shoot, we he did afterwards was just credible, it took his tragedy and flipped it around and made a huge kidush Hashem, made it a way to spread the eibershter to all the TV shows that all the schools should focus on Hashem. That’s a way of reviling Hashem.
It doesn’t cost to hate people, but it cost to love and spread light the this dark word.
If everyone just thinks a sec before they say something and check if what I’m your saying comes from a good place of your heart the world will be a much better place
“Chabad forums are 99% a bash-fest on other yidden, primarily gedolim.”
Neville so you’re finally admitting that you’re bashing chabad, and you’re just using this as an excuse. Cool.
But you haven’t brought a single Chabad forums that 99% are bashing Gedolim. You are straight out liar or a simple sionei Yisrael.
I don’t know of a single Chabad forum that bashis other people needless to say Gedolim and 99% of it.You claim and lied also that Chabad doesn’t learn Mishna brurah, I’m starting to wonder of you ever learned MISHNA BRURAH or SHMIRAS HALOSHON.
Maybe Chabad should start opening up Chabad houses in litvish communities to teach them what ahavas Yisrael is.
“Chabad forums are 99% a bash-fest on other yidden, primarily gedolim.”
Name me one
In a fascinating overview, Rabbi Yitzchok Naparstek, shliach in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, explores the Rebbe’s stance on Zionism and the State of Israel.
The Rebbe’s approach to the State of Israel is complex. On the one hand, the Rebbe strongly supported Eretz Yisroel and assisted the Israeli goverment. On the other hand, the Rebbe said that he is staunchly opposed to Zionism like the Rebbe Rashab and more so. What exactly was the Rebbe’s stance?
Preface
1. Chabad’s task is to build and illuminate, not chas veshalom to destroy and foster divisiveness. Therefore the Rebbe once instructed: מיעוט הויכוח בכיוצא בזה ישובח – by remaining apolitical and not isolating any group, political or nonpolitical alike, Chabad remains in the position to engage all circles of Jews in matters of Torah and mitzvos.
2. Historically, prior to 1948 most Gedolei Yisroel were opposed to the creation of a Jewish State.
3. The opposition was primarily based on two factors:
a. The efforts to create the State were coupled with the desire and hope to be redeemed through our own force and powers. This constitutes a rejection of Mashiach and the Redemption as promised by the Torah (hence these efforts were also not in the spirit of the shalosh shevu’os). This is true regardless of how religious the envisioned state would be.
b. Jewish nationalism—the foundation on which the State is built on—sought to transform the Jewish people into a nation like all nations of the world, ככל הגוים בית ישראל, by substituting Torah and mitzvos with nationalism (Jewishness would amount to “national affiliation” without the requirement of belief and performance of Torah and mitzvos), thus “normalizing” the Jew. The reality, however, remains that the Jewish people are the am segulah and, as Rav Saadia Gaon taught .אין אומתינו אומה אלא בתורתו
The Existence of the State
4. The dire circumstances in Eretz Yisrael in 1948, constituted piku’ach nefesh and necessitated the establishment of a Jewish government; by Divine Providence—not chas veshalom by our own force and powers—large parts of Eretz Yisroel were returned to the Jewish people. As such, the existence of the State is not in violation of the shalosh shevu’os.
5. The State of Israel provided and provides a makom hatzalah for Jews. This makomhatzoloh could have been established elsewhere, but Hashem granted us the wonderful zechus (and great nisayon) by allowing the creation of the State in Eretz Hakodesh.
6. This positive development and tremendous opportunity, has no relation to the process of ge’ulah; no ge’ulah—or any stage thereof—transpired in 1948 (or in 1967). Rather, the State is a technical instrument through which we experience a greater measure of autonomy and self-governance during our final days in galus.
The Nature of the State
7. Even though some of the Jewish laws are upheld by the State of Israel, it was not founded on Torah law; the State adopted the British common law. To this day, the nature and character of the State is defined by nationalism in practice. Hence the State is not governed in the spirit of Judaism. (This is also, and foremost, evidenced by the tragic law of mihu Yehudi.)
8. The events that transpired in 1948 were an opportunity missed. Had the Jewish leadership established a government based on Torah and mitzvos, it would have been an unequivocal positive development.
9. Miracles occurred for the Jews in Eretz Yisroel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, and in the years that followed. Hashem performs miracles through the unrighteous as well. While we must be grateful to Hashem for these miracles, they by no means sanction the State.
The Appropriate Approach
10. As several million Jews are governed and protected by the State, for all practical purposes, we must support and encourage—physically and spiritually—the continued existence of the State, and its positive dimensions, as a Jewish state. In short: we recognize and support the de facto State of Israel, though it falls short of the way it ought to be, a truly Jewish state.
11. The Rebbe rejects the view (espoused by Satmar and the Edah HaChareidis) that ignores the very existence of the de facto State and doesn’t grant recognition to the State even b’dieved. The Rebbe stridently rejects the view (espoused by the Mizrachi movement and religious nationalists) that sanctions the State and considers it a step in the process of ge’ulah.
12. The Rebbe showed affection and honored the personnel of the Israeli government, its elected and security officials. Perhaps this was based on the Talmudic statement, “Rebbi mechabed ashirim”. The Rebbe also reached out to draw them closer to Torah.
Through הפצת היהדות והמעיינות – locally and globally, individually and collectively – we will merit the true and complete redemption through our righteous Moshiach.
Click here to view in PDF format and to see sources/footnotes
One of the main factors Chabad chassidus is based on is what the Bal Shem Tov said אימתי כאתי מר, לכשיפוצו מעינותיך חוצה
Spreading yeddishkiet and chassidus through out the world.Rebbitzen
If I’m not mistaken ( correct me if I’m wrong), kabolas hatorah nowadays is at krias hatorah when we hear the eseres hadebrois. Not at alois.
And lechatchila we don’t daven before nietz. So there’s no problem to go to sleep.
But anyways we’re up at alois and we go to mikava right before, so we only end up going to sleep to time after alois, so even if kabalas hatorah is then we aren’t sleeping then.CORRECTION:
“Well, I’m glad you think it’s my first.”
I don’t count your lies
But it’s not true. We learn shulchon aruch harav for the simonim we have, but for the ones we don’t have, the Rebbe said we should learn MISHNA BRURAH. So please get your facts straight.Now am I false accusing you, if I say that you say straight out loshen hara for now reason and it’s just hatred?
Well, I’m glad you think it’s my first.
I don’t count your liesBut it’s not true. We learn shulchon aruch harav bit that only works for the simonim we have but for the ones we the Rebbe said we should learn MISHNA BRURAH. So please get your facts straight.
Now am I false accusing you, if I say that you say straight out loshen hara for now reason and it’s just hatred?
Chabad is not pro Zionism but rather pro safety of Yeddin.
There was ones a Yeshiva that sang hatikva at a dinner, and when the Rebbe heard about it he took his name of the Yeshiva.
Chabad is against the Zionist shita. But ones there is a land where Yeddin live we support there security. And ones they’re making a government it should be according to Torah.Unfortunately there are many people here that make fun of holy, and think they know it all
What makes you say Chabad is pro Zionism?
“As a side note, glad to see your trolling career has forced you to look into the Mishnah Berurah. That’s something most Lubavitchers wouldn’t do.”
First straight out lie
Second what exactly encourage you to say this?????First where is the source that you say it’s getting harder to do kiruv? (Very possible it is, just wondering where your question based off that everyone is trying to give answers)
I think there is a misconception here, It’s not about convincing people to come religious, rather lighting the pinteleh yid inside of thrm. Yiddishkiet is not something external to a Jew it’s what he really is, the nature of a yid is to do all 613 mitzvos, he’s just covered up in a lot of dirt, but ones you reveal his neshoma everything starts moving forward and he starts doing one mitzva at a time till eventually he comes a frum yid.
Yes nowadays there might be more dirt but ones you touch his neshoma it usually goes for forward.laskern
Sorry didn’t mean to get personal.
Your wording through me off. “Zombie” as your personal comfort
But yes If it’s ממעיט your kavona, there is probably a some heter. Also I’m not sure if the minhag was (I think minhag arizal) was expected by everyone.Yes I do care about davaning bekavona and try to, but I’m far from being a perfect Yid.
The question is what’s more important the night of shvuos staying up all night or davaning with kavona the next day. (I don’t have an answer, maybe I should learn little more about the topics)
But let’s be honest here would you not go to some party/ wedding etc because it’s going to distribute your kavona?
I would go to the wedding (Maybe I got to work on myself)Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying your a bad guy in any shape or form. It’s just something that we should all think about regarding compromising on עבודת ה for עבודת ה’ but not compromising own daily stuff for עבודת ה’.
This is not you specifically, it’s everyone INCLUDING ME.“I am up for Shavuos but not the whole night. I don’t like to daven like a zombie.”
Don’t mean to attack, but aren’t you davaning to Hashem, which he himself would want you to stay up all night?
Where does feeling like a zombie come into the picture?If your excuse is because it’s hard to stay up then fine, but blaming it on Davaning doesn’t make sense. (Unless there is some heter)
All this assuming you are a male
Lit
I agree Lubavitche as PR.
But from where do you get the fact that the hired Rabbi Krinsky for PR?DaasYochid:
“The early ovdei avoda zara rationalized that way about the son and the moon.”There is a huge difference between a mimutza hamechber and amimutza hamafsik.
Are you going to compare the yeddin in the midbor asking Moishe Rabbiu for their need, is compared to people serving the sun a the moon? Not only that Moishe said ונתתי.DaasYochid:
I think we can both agree that we had some what normal conversations together, but when someone just repeats himself just stating false facts and not interested in explanations, doesn’t deserve more than my above comment.
I’m sure you can see yourself his intentions.LerntminTayrah
Here we go again……
First:
“Evryone else follows the Rambams’ 13 ikkarim.”And then you had to say it again
“The litvish follow the 13 ikkarim. The Rebbe said you don’t have to since a Rebe is the essense of G-d in a human body and it’s ok to pray to a Rebbe (as per 1979 sicha)”
You can’t hold yourself back from expressing hate and making division.
You keep on saying this nonsense without explaining the concepts and answer my questions on the subject.
You are not interested in explanations
Just wondering have you ever learned the sicha? Do you know where it’s printed? Do you know what the Rebbe is trying to explain with this? Have you trying finding out what the top mashpiem in Lubavitche say about the sicha and explain it? Or you only interested what it says online?
You say you’re litvishe, do you even know yeddish to learn the sicha? Very possible you do, they’re some litvishes that know yeddish.
You said litvishe believes in the 13 ikrim, what about Chassidim?
IchVeisNit
What exactly is the reason you opened up the room?This is your profile
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Do you by any chance have to accounts? One to open and the another to reply?
………..I’m trying to figure out how sincere you are………
Why focus on our differences? let’s focus on our similarities.
And learn from each other.I think the reason why there is anti-semitism, is an outcome of jealousy. They know that we say the Jews are the chosen Nation, but if we explain to them how they are also special, created with the image of Hashem, came in this world for a purpose etc.. then I think we would see a decrease in anti-semitism.
The hate won’t stop by calling it out. (As we see it doesn’t help, it just causes more hate.)And the same goes for us yeddin, if we are thought and focus on how special we are, then we won’t look to copy the goyim.
Chassidish used to be called “der frielecher”
Joseph
“Does anyone disagree with that?”
Do you?
You interested in an answer, or you set already and not interested?*write
DaasYochid
I ziya because that’s what we have done in the past g generations, and the Rebbe did that to on the frierdiker Rebbe but those that write shlita are not committing kifira, because it’s exactly from these quotes that they say, Please don’t pick and choose.DaasYochid
So let me get this straight, I’m a koifer and the Rebbe is distorting Torah Cs”v when it says in Torah צדיקים במיתתן נקראים חיים.
Very interesting.Neville ChaimBerlin
Is yakov avinu still alive now? Or since it’s so many years later he by now he passed away?
How do you explain יעקב אבינו לא מת. מה זרעו בחיים אף הוא בחיים. צדיקים במיתתן נקראים חיים
At what point is it’s kifira if I hold that yakov is still alive?“You don’t say he’s alive because of those quotes. You use those quotes to defend your mishugas that he’s alive.”
Don’t tell me why we say he is alive, go check up the Rebbe sichos, and see for yourself exactly what the Rebbe said on the frierdiker Rebbe, it’s exactly from these quotes. And the same is the way we hold regarding the Rebbe.
Go check up the meforshim on them. And stop getting your education from other websites.
Stop being a moron picking and choosing to hear what you want to hear, and learn what you want to learn, and twist what you want to twist.
All we have is the words of the Rebbe. And what Torah says on tzaikim. Torah decides what life and dead is.DaasYochid
“Am I a koifer if I say מה זרעו בחיים אף הוא בחיים?
Am I a koifer if I say צדיקים במיתתן נקראים חיים?No”
So if I say the Rebbe is alive because of these two quotes, am I a koifer?
Most Lubavitchers agree that the Rebbe was passed away,(besides a few that are living in denial) and they also write זי”ע, yes we did kria vechulu, but he can still be alive, it’s not a stira, a death certificate is what is koiveiah a person that he passed away, Torah is koiveiah.
So if your to call me a koifer because of a death certificate, you need major help.Did יעקב אבינו pass away?
Am I a koifer if I say מה זרעו בחיים אף הוא בחיים?
Am I a koifer if I say צדיקים במיתתן נקראים חיים?Well I don’t know who your friend is, but he definitely got to see a doctor. This is not what the Rebbe holds or the people that the Rebbe put in charge of his moisdois.
I got some friends that are tzoikim, should I now smear the whole Judaism that they don’t believe in Torah sheh Bal peah?
I got a friend, his name is Bernie Madoff, should I go smear all jews as scammers?
I got a litvak in my shul that did a terrible sin (which I won’t mention) should I now say all litvaks commit it too?
DaasYochid
On a serious note.
Did you open this to find out an answer? Or to mock?
If you’re looking for an answer, then go ask someone in real life like a normal person, if not then it seems like your just interested in mocking people.
Very nice of you and the mods for letting this through.(And I’m saying this with the opinion that I don’t say shlita, nor did the Rebbe say it on the frierdiker Rebbe)
I going to leave at that.I don’t know if my moshel is exact, but you get the point
🍫Syag Lchochma
I don’t know exactly what you want I should answer, and where is the question.
All I see is bunch of idiotic statements.
Anytime I say to check something up, no one wants to bother checking, (at least thets what I see from vast majority of you) and just relie on what people say and what it says online.
I don’t think it’s right to state a facts , before checking up exactly what the concepts mean.LerntminTayrah
What would you tell someone challenges you and claims that “it says in Torah בראשית ברא אלוקים that bereishis created Hashem (Cs”v) and says you guys are koifrim because it says in the Torah that breishis created, it’s black and white kifira? And if Torah didn’t really mean that, then Torah shouldn’t have said it in the first place”?
Obviously you would tell them to check up Rashi, and meforshim.
Same is with Chabad yes in the first place it’s sounds radical, but of you only do some REAL research of the concepts and ask the well respect rabbonim in Lubavitche you would have the sugyia clear. Like all the Gedolim and Rebbeim that still visited the Rebbe even after his statement. (I doubt you are going to call all of them ovidei avoda zorah.) They came because they knew what the Rebbe meant and it wasn’t kifira at all.
If you have brains and use them if not go seek help.Mods nice for checking to zatzal.
Can you also change next time someone says the Rebbe is “dead” to the Rebbe “past away”?.
Out of respect please.I just got a chance to look at the CR.
Will try to respond.LerntminTayrah
Have you let everything out yet, or you still need more time?
Let me know when you flush.Yeshivishrockstar
“I’m aware of a Chabad house where there’s a big (as in HUGE) picture of the Rebbe on the Mizrach Vant. Anyone who flies from Israel can confirm this – it’s in Ben Gurion airport. People make minyanim there all the time, contrary to halacha”
It’s news to me. It’s totally wrong, and not allowed, to me they are not considered Lubavitche, because the Rebbe would never let that happen.
Next time I’m there I will go check it out. Iyh.