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For that matter, when was the last time you heard a girl say, “I’m engaged to the second to most amazing guy in the world!”?
They require black hats, velvet yarmulkas, and white shirts. I don’t know of any MO schools that require that.
No true Scotsman…
Now that we’re done with that, how do we define “rich”?
I hear a rumor that popa is sponsoring prize #3 in the Oorah Purim Auction. Any truth?
I don’t think this is a question anyone can answer without knowing the girl.
Ironicaly while he does not believe in the existance of Autism (see above). I recently heard him say he thinks there may be somehting to the vaccine/Autism link.
If he was a Rishon, I would kler a chakirah: does he mean that the measles vaccine causes brattiness, or efshar the type of parents who vaccinate are bad disciplinarians, or a third tzad, he means the other 1%.
I think ubiquitin’s #2 and #3 are likely to lead to some of those objectionable things, but there’s no absolute correlation.
Gavra, I try not to denigrate, I rather disagree more often with certain actions I find objectionable, which some may choose to (or not) associate with MO. I probably could define MO in a vague sense, or give examples, I just don’t think it’s a productive endeavor.
Torah613, we’ll see about that (nice to have you back).
Ubiquitin, there’s truth in that, but I think Zionism is easier than the others to put a ? or X in front of.
Interesting tzu shtell. There, though, there’s a necessity to categorize, to fit into the category of legal or illegal. I don’t see a compelling reason to do so here.
If we were discussing frum vs. not frum, we would need (and in fact the halachah does define) more specific parameters, because there are nafka minas, such as drinking their wine and.
No, I think there are lots of people who are clearly definable as MO or yeshivish aside from their views on Zionism, it’s just hard to pin where the line is.
Ubiquitin, there’s a difference between a minhag which never had a valid reason and one whose reason no longer applies.
Rabi Akiva holds it’s d’rabbonon. Machlokes Rishonim whether the Chachomim agree or hold it’s d’Oraisa.
M’mareach is a toldah of m’machek. Calling the normal application of ChapStick kilachar yad does not make any sense (although further research needed if there are any opinions out there that it’s not d’Oraisa anyhow).
I can’t think of a clear defining line, other than perhaps Zionism.
LC, if a minhag was completely arbitrary, we would call it it a minhag shtus or taus and disregard it.
As it happens, the A”H’s shittah is based on the shitas Rishonim that the gemara’s din of waiting until the next seuda means the normal time between seudos, so calculating from the end of the seuda makes sense. The gemara’s reasoning would be something like a “lo plug”, which although not seeming to match the din with the reason (which would be true whether the reason was digestion, ta’am, or meat caught between the teeth), is common enough and not arbitrary. It is Chazal’s way of implementing takanos in a way more likely to be followed.
It would still be just as bad
It would be infinitely worse.
Popa, only one that I know of (he wasn’t posting then).
It’s still not kilachar yad, because it’s the normal way to apply it, and it would still be assur regardless. If you want to find a limud z’chus, fine, but find one that makes sense.
And ran Camp Kol Reenah. But I still never heard of his sefer.
Toothpaste is not considered assur by everyone, but the minhag is to be machmir like R’ Moshe, the Tzitz Eliezer, and others. There are more reasons to be machmir by ChapStick (it’s thicker, and stays in the skin, whereas toothpaste is thinner, and washed away immediately). Lipstick has the additional problem of tzovea.
But my point wasn’t that the issur is universally held (although that is the mainstream psak). My point was that you made up a heter of kilachar yad. ChapStick comes in a stick, is meant to be applied from the stick, and that is in no way shape or form kilachar yad. Note that the OP didn’t say what type of lip balm was used or how it was applied; you just assumed, for no reason, that it was done kilachar yad. (Even if one did apply it kilachar yad it would still be assur in the vast majority of cases, BTW.)
See, the thing is, popa thinks the reason why it took me (aka the altah bochur) so long to get married is because the girls thought I was nuts for proposing on the first date. The truth is, most of them said yes, and that’s why it took so long.
So you ask, how did I eventually get married?
My wife proposed to me on the first date. I chapped right away that this was it. The l’chaim was that night.
Kiddush clubs.
Yeah, and he learns daf yomi.
Also, if no bumping, kol shekein no new posts!
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-im-an-amaaretz#post-547247
From a Mishpacha Magazine online teaser article:
Rabbi Yaakov Bender
It was 12:50 when Yaakov arrived at his house. His whole family was waiting for him to leave to the levayah, which was at 1:00 in Torah Vodaath, where his father, Rav Dovid Bender, had been the menahel.
During that period of intense grieving, Yaakov found solace in writing his memories of his father. The 60-odd pages that he wrote during that time, 47 years ago, became the basis of the biography later written about his parents by Mrs. Devora Gliksman (ArtScroll/Mesorah).
Well, my cousin (even the one you called MO) did not have any of them as his rebbe.
OURtorah, the Satmar Rav (R ‘Yoel) was possibly the biggest ohev Yisroel of the generation. He saw fit to teach his followers (but writes not to bother with others because they won’t understand) how bad Zionism was because he was defending Hashem’s word.
one MO/Baal HaBatish
You must know him (I didn’t describe him that way), so ask him yourself! 🙂
Really, though, how are you defining MO?
The OP is talking about telling someone they are a mechallel shabbos.
Which thread?
so, if i apply toothpaste or chapstick using my finger, all is good?
Where did you get that from?
I did. He said it is.
Amazing. Now ask him how one can ever possibly be certain that the person will listen.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=916&pgnum=177
In separate teshuvos, R’ Moshe says that lipstick and toothpaste are ????. Both are applied using a ???.
Who else?
(Aruch Hashulchan is here: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14242&st=&pgnum=412&hilite= at the end of ‘?).
That’s the Aruch Hashulchan’s shittah.
It’s completely relevant.
I might see him at a simcha next week, but come to think of it, I have another cousin who sends as well, and this one is actually quite yeshivish (in fact his oldest is in a mesivta which would be considered yeshivish by any standard) so I can’t imagine it’s MO.
Only when you are certain the person will listen.
Ask your Rav if that’s true.
Midvar sheker tirchak is also one of the taryag mitzvos.
Ask your Rav if it applies here.
That’s a different heter (see Tzitz Eliezer and Halichos Shlomo).
I have a cousin who sends to Darchei. I would call him balabatish. No TV or movies, velvet yarmulka, hat on Shabbos, wife completely tznius, etc. but not yeshivish. I’ll bl”n ask him his take.
Of course it’s not ????? ??. That’s the normal way to put on ChapStick.
In context, though, he seems to be contrasting it to a yarmulka, not to someone who doesn’t wear a hat in the street.
According to your interpretation, it should have said “k’derech sheholech birchov”.
That’s probably because of all the poor Far Rockaway MO families who can’t afford HAFTR. 🙂
Gavra: source?
I don’t have a problem seeing movies since it isn’t something that I feel breaks my connection with the one above.
You wouldn’t say that about other issurim, so why do you say it about this?
please cite which of the Taryag mitzvos specifically makes them assur
??? ?????
That’s the chasidish system
No, in the chassidish system, the chosson and kallah have little idea, and rely on the parents.
I did mention that, actually.
I hereby remind 147 that zionism existed before medinat yisrael.
I do believe him when he says they’re not an issue to him, but by definition, that means his hashkafos are off.
Realizing that doing aveiros is an issue is very important.
I really don’t get how you can say that music and movies aren’t an issue yet claim solid hashkafos.
Anyhow, if she’s okay with music and movies, I don’t think a hat should be an issue one way or another.
Golfer, no. To whatever extent I meant it seriously, I meant:
A) You can never prove cause and effect from two ideas coinciding.
B) It’s hard to be poor with kids and be MO, so some may choose not to be (in either direction).
The article popa referred to actually suggested that some who can’t afford it go OTD (more make aliyah, as I had mentioned).
The point of the article was to lament that the high cost of being MO drives people towards high paying professions, and there are therefore too few people in professions which allow for more expression and creativity.
Efshar farkert – maybe being rich makes you Modern Orthodox.