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Grata, my 3yr old at the time after watching asked – where’s Esther?
It’s stories like these which made me realize that I was wrong, and it’s not a good idea to mix fantasy in with Kesuvim.
Your last post. How are you being mechalek between movies and live?
I know a MO fellow who had to move to Eretz Yisroel because he has a lot of kids, and even running two successful businesses, couldn’t afford the tuitions in the U.S.
It would have been cheaper for him to become chareidi.
I don’t know what you mean.
Why?
I would need to see what R’ Y.C. Zonnenfeld said, but to me, other than the inaccessibility of the direct aveirah (which shouldn’t matter according to the way I understand the Baal Hamaor/Ramban), the difference would be the likelihood of it causing hana’ah/hirhur.
People are watching movies for hana’ah, so it’s not relevant to our discussion.
(Now watch someone pretend they don’t get hana’ah from the images that are expressly there for that purpose.)
??????? ??? ???? would obviously lead to ?????.
if there is no chance that it could bring one to improper thoughts
Obviously, that is not what we’re talking about (in any case, even live wouldn’t be a problem then).
But the Rema being machmir is a nice chap.
See ?????? ???? ?”? ??’ ??”? and further, who argues on that ????? ???.
Sam, there’s a difference between ????? and ???????. See ??? ??? ???? ??? ?’ ???? ?.
Popa’s makpid to fulfill all shittos.
Lior, Purim night is only a hechsher mitzvah for Purim day.
You’re first waking up now?
Nice ?”?. I don’t know how he deals with the ??? ????? and ???”?’s reference to ???? ?????. Not the pashtus.
See here: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=45428&st=&pgnum=76&hilite=
Machlokes you and HaLeiVi.
If I guessed right, it would probably get edited.
Also, I changed my mind about it, and we’re no longer showing it to our kids.
Another good point.
Well, the gemara (.??????? ?”?) says that ??????? ????? is ???? ??? ????, and ??????? say that a) ?????? are considered ????? b) the issur is to be ???? (in other words, there doesn’t need to be a ??? that the actual ???? will take place).
So, you would need to distinguish between live and pictures, and I’m not sure I hear a chilluk.
This is aside from the ??????? of ??? ????? and ??????? ??? ??? ??, for which I indeed don’t have a source that they would be ???? ??? ????.
JT, it might be, according to some shittos (probably not halachah l’maaseh, which is hard to conceive of anyhow).
Sam, what’s absurd is to compare actively being megareh yetzer hora to someone who “knows” he’ll have an improper hirhur without trying to. (Also absurd to think someone going to a typical movie isn’t being megareh Y”H.)
And shows that at least according to some, a ma’aseh is not required, as you suggested.
Abizrayhu d’arayos
So I wanted to buy a product with one of the aforementioned symbols on it, but wasn’t sure if it was good, so I bought the other one.
ZD, they find Shabbos, kashrus, and davening burdensome too.
ZD, you insist on turning this discussion into something it isn’t. It’s not about blowing off steam vs. OTD. It’s about someone who knows she’s doing something wrong, and wants to stop.
I know. 🙂
RY23: True, but the Torah tells us ????? ?????.
I am mot speaking out for or against movies. That is for the individual person to decide for him/herself. There is a lot of anti-Torah values junk being marketed as movies today
I hope you don’t include the junk in your assertion that it’s for the individual to decide.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=oc_x1532
So, yes, of course the boy/girl types of things are assur.
Also, how young a teen is she? 2
If she’s 2, it’s alright.
Also, http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/monsey-girls-high-schools#post-556770
You shouldn’t be hanging out with a boy, or pretending that it’s your daughter who is.
I assume the OP and lovelyme are female. They also make men only dancing copies.
You mean like chasunah videos? Maskim.
Global warming was made up by AZ and Rechnitz. Rechnitz also funds research into CBT and vaccines. He made his money in the diamond industry.
I could be wrong, but I doubt the Sheepshead Bay theater only shows nature films.
Come on.
I wasn’t referring to the tiny minority of movies which have no unclean content, and neither was the OP.
They are all doing aveirahs, and on top of that, it’s a great chillul Hashem.
A lot of people doing aveirahs together doesn’t make it muttar.
What a shame that they’re not embarrassed.
It’s really not too difficult to figure out that the overwhelming majority of secular entertainment is not to Torah standards, and I don’t mean hashkafically, I mean halachically.
Gamanit, the OP pretty much described the content… and as cherrybim was saying… and ZD, viewing inappropriate material is assur l’halachah.
We’re not talking about pushing anyone away from any community. This is simply about an individual struggling with her yetzer hora, and asking for advice (and maybe chizuk) in doing so.
As others have suggested, find something else to occupy yourself with.
And if you fall occasionally, never give up. Remember how much Hashem loves the efforts you put in, and that ??? ???? ???? ???. We grow from our struggles, even though we sometimes fall, but we have to keep getting up.
I would start by installing appropriate filters.
The struggle itself is infinitely valuable to Hashem.
ZD, so don’t struggle and fight against the yetzer hora, just float through life?
Shopping613, you know it’s the right thing to do. It’s up to you to be strong and do it.
ZD, so no one should open a gemara? What are you saying?
Once again, this is someone who is self motivated to improve.
Also, the result might also be that the person will succeed at abstaining from a severe issur.
but I think the OP is a BT from a much more modern place
I don’t think so, but either way, so what? She’s asking for advice in her struggle, not threatening to go OTD if she can’t watch movies.
And just to be clear, I am not trying to scold the OP, we all have our yetzer hora, and I applaud and admire her for her sincerity in trying to fight.
I am just disturbed by the attempts to minimize the importance.