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At times of medical stress, individuals who are not familiar with the medical care payments/insurance system might incorrectly believe they could be held responsible for hundreds of dollars of ambulance costs.
I don’t know of any studies, but I think there are people who will think twice about calling if Hatzala bills.
This is one of the reasons this is a bad idea.
Any tznius problem in Chabad is nowhere near as bad as in the MO or Open Orthodoxy.
That’s not a very compelling defense.
That’s all been debunked.
I’ve learned that we don’t sleep in the sukkah for the same reason we don’t sleep wrapped in tefillin
The Mishna, Gemara, Rishonim, etc. didn’t have that concern.
They weren’t vaccinated for the flu.
There is no evidence that vaccination causes health problems.
The only evidence seems to indicate the opposite.
There are many real Medical Doctors and real Scientists who have done research and studies and concluded
that Vaccines are DANGEROUS, cause Autism and many other chronic illnesses.The ones who have claimed to do real research are frauds.
The rest are a tiny minority and are naive like you.
I don’t remember if it happened to me.
So please explain how both co exist.
Because חולק על רבו doesn’t mean to disagree on a halacha, it means to open a competing yeshiva without permission.
Machla lol
Why Not??? There WERE Smoker vs NonSmoker retrospective studies that showed that Smokers have MUCH Higher Rates of Lung Cancer so why can’t there be a Retrospective study on Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed???
Because there’s no way to control for side factors. For example, you wrote:
“The Vaccinated children had:
1) had mothers with more education,
2) had higher socioeconomic status,
3) lived in larger homes,
4) had more toilet/sanitation access,
5) had fewer siblings,
6) had better-nourished mothers,
7) had more breastfeeding as infants”Again, there is no way to do a fully vaxxed vs. fully unvaxxed study accurately, as repeated multiple times, but there are multiple studies indicating that more vaccination is beneficial.
As I said, they’re not perfect, because they’re retrospective.
Would you least admit that more vaccination is better than less?
Of course, as I mentioned, the studies are far from perfect because they’re retrospective, but they exist.
“I’ve heard this claim several times. Ever since I found out that it is not true, I have been amazed how it just keeps resurfacing. I would like to put this myth to rest. I am aware of at least seven original research papers and one meta-analysis (looking at another 6 randomised clinical trials or RCTs) published since 2009 which look at myriad aspects of general health, comparing large unvaccinated and vaccinated populations. I will lay them out below, but to put it shortly: vaccinated people are as healthy or healthier in all aspects compared to the unvaccinated. The vaccinated populations studied have fewer vaccine preventable diseases (may seem obvious, but nevertheless needs to be mentioned), fewer cases of asthma, fewer heart attacks, better birth outcomes, and higher cognitive scores than their unvaccinated counterparts. To note, the incidence of autism is also unchanged in populations with or without the MMR vaccine…”
Thoughtscapism
Pay attention. I said a RETROSPECTIVE study. Comparing children who are already Unvaxxed with the
Vaccinated. It is still legal for parents not to vax so there are plenty of Unvaxxed available.Pay attention to what I’m responding to. “It’s as if Tobacco Industry got CDC to FORCE everyone to Smoke Cigarettes so it would be impossible to do a Smoker vs Non-Smoker Study!!!” That’s not retrospective.
As far as a retrospective study, unless you specifically have a group with placebos, which would be immoral, you can’t control for variables besides the actual vaccine, so the study wouldn’t be accurate. This has been pointed out before; I’m not sure why you keep on reiterating debunked arguments.
Otherwise no I don’t see any casual untzniusdik mixing of genders between lubavitcher chassidim
I do. When I mentioned this to an older Chabad chossid, rather than deny the obvious as you keep on doing, he sighed and acknowledged what a chillul Hashem it is.
I haven’t gotten an answer to my question:
Do the branches of Hatzalah which bill insurance send bills to the patients’ home?
the current vaccines are no better than shots in the dark.
No, they’ve been studied extensively and found to be both safe and effective.
The only response to that will be to claim that it’s all a huge conspiracy theory.
It’s as if Tobacco Industry got CDC to FORCE everyone to Smoke Cigarettes so it would be impossible to do a Smoker vs Non-Smoker Study!!!
That would be immoral.
So would not having people vax to do a study.
There might be other factors on why children whose parents decided to vaccinate them scored better.
Right. Genetics.
There are studies comparing cognitive test scores that were done in the Philippines. Vaccinated children scored better.
There might be a genetic factor.
2. The Rosh yeshiva asks a Talmud for a chosen mishpat and orach chaim. Talmud brings them over, the Rosh yeshiva stacks them on the floor, steps on them to reach a sefer on a high shelf.
Ridiculous, and pure motzi shem ra.
there are a number of other hatzolahs that collect from insurance and have been doing this for a very long time.
Do they send bills to the patients?
The answer is no.
Is there a scientific study on this?
Let’s hope they find a vaccine for them
I don’t think it was so unreasonable to refuse since they had a sefer Torah and it was only a matter of rolling it.
DY: Hatzalah world do what is medically prudent rather than follow financial incentives; even if they’re not paid at all for the call. Just as now.
They should, but we’re dealing with human beings here.
I heard from Hatzolah guys that if they take insurance then they have to provide care to everyone who calls them.
Wait, don’t they anyway do that?
My only solution to this was to have 2 companies and depends on the situation that’s the one that responds but it can get tricky
“It can get tricky” is an understatement. It would unquestionably affect response time and overall efficiency.
What it comes down to is that on several levels, accepting insurance is likely to have a negative affect on Hatzola’s effectiveness, as well as increase the likelihood of a chillul Hashem occurring.
In that case, insurance will not compensate for the transport to the distant facility and will only pay the cost of s shorter transport.
In which case, there becomes an incentive to transport to the closer facility.
if done properly there shouldnt an issue with fraud.
Shouldn’t be, maybe, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be.
Is it even legal to bill only insurance companies but not patients?
If Hatzalah bills insurance, Hatzalah must send the patient who Hatzalah took to the hospital a bill in the mail for co-pay amount set by the insurance policy?
Someone more knowledgeable can answer definitively, but I would imagine that not to charge anybody but those with insurance would be fraud.
I can think of a few arguments against billing insurance and Medicaid.
1) By taking insurance money, particularly government (Medicaid) funds, they are opening themselves up to investigations and charges of fraud. I’m sure some will respond that they should simply follow all regulations and there won’t be a problem, but some of the regulations can be confusing and unintentionally violated, plus, a motivated prosecutor can cause trouble even when everything is legitimate. There are several such cases, some more famous than others.
2) We don’t want insurance companies or the government having any say in how care is provided.
3) You have to bill everyone. Aside from the legal issues of only collecting from insurance but not from individuals, people will hesitate to call Hatzala if they know they’ll be getting billed. Theoretically, it shouldn’t make a difference, but practically it will.
I’ve seen a lightbulb work.
I’ve never seen a cotwatch.