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Are yo u sure you arent secretly provax just trying to make the anti vax group look silly?
The thought occurred to me as well.
Dr. Scheibner was the winner of the ’97 “Bent Spoon Award”.
So I propose that the school reframe the whole conversation by saying all children are welcome — but if you send them to us we will vaccinate them.
The rabbonim claiming the schools are denying the children chinuch are anti vax. This won’t help.
Imagine saying “we’ll accept your child, but first we’ll give him 40 lashes”.
That’s how the anti-vaxxers view it.
So as rhetoric, ok, nice thread. If you mean it seriously, no dice.
As the study I posted earlier details the decline we see in sIDS yet more children receive vaccines than before, which demonstrates that SIDS have nothing to do with vaccines.
Actually, since Doomsday believes correlation=causation, it proves that vaccines prevent crib death.
I agree with Syag.
Proof that we really are in a state of geulah!
After having seen Doomsday get caught with so many lies, I no longer think it’s even worth anyone’s time to refute any further ones.
It certainly may. It is well-established law that the government does indeed have such powers.
Jacobson v. Massachusetts?
What makes this worth discussion is that it is commonplace for yeshivos to throw kids out impulsively.
How do you know that it’s impulsively? Unless you’re in chinuch, which would be a major shocker considering how you constantly bash mechanchim.
This is essentially what is happening, except instead of the schools vaccinating the kids, they encourage the parents to bring them to an accredited physician to vaccinate them.
In other words, it’s already the parents’ fault.
I assume this is Milhouse’s point…
(Avoid bracha acharona shailos by eating them in different sittings)
Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach is quoted as giving a reason for the minhag of eating sufganiyot that the bracha acharona includes the words “v’al heichalecha”.
I think anyone who thinks there is actually an answer to this shouldn’t be trusted.
If you’re discussing an individual case, okay.
But as a matter of principle, what’s wrong with an opinion about whether there are or aren’t any situations in which it’s warranted?
Why is this question only addressed to mesivta/ highschool and not elementary or post highschool. And why not address girls as well?
OP is a boy in yeshiva (probably mesivta).
Retzicha
Yes, leaving a bad influence in the yeshiva might be retzicha klapei some of the other boys.
It’s dinei nefashos, but it goes both ways.
I don’t envy the ones who have to make these decisions.
Denial.
IOW, insanity?
CS: Go right ahead.
While Meshichistim aren’t making a mistake. They’re in denial, and using crooked logic to justify denial. But would that be Kefira?
The Rebbe, according to any normal way of determining things, passed away. If he was married, his wife would be allowed to marry someone else, etc.
The only possible way I can see (please, if you can offer a reasonable alternative, I’d like to hear) for someone to think he didn’t die is for them to consider him immortal, i.e. not a basar vadam. To me, that’s kefirah.
Good luck getting this to 18 pages
Bump.
Because they’re not logical.
Doesn’t this remind you of the whole Sukkah debate?
That’s obviously why you brought it up, but no.
1. What Hetter is there, in Shas or Poskim, for Yeshiva Bochurim to not daven a proper Chazaras HaShatz by Mincha? Now even if you’ll Taanah that back in Slabodka (where I think this minhag originated) they lived Toraso Umnaso, how does this apply in the US, where you have breaks for lunch and breakfast, and in some Yeshivas for Limmudei Chol. I find it hard to believe that you can’t find 5 minutes in a day to do a Chazaras Hashatz like the Chachamim decreed.
R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky is quoted as saying that the original takana to say chazaras hasha”tz was not made in a beis medrash, where the attendees generally know how to daven themselves. It was only made for shuls, where it is common to have people who need to be yotzei with the sha”tz.
Shacharis is different because of s’michas geulah lit’filah (at least according to the common minhag of starting t’filas lachash after kedusha).
You also don’t lose Birchas Kohanim at Mincha (I’m not sure if R’ Yaakov said this point).
2cents: Wants proof that vaccines cause encephalitis and encephalitis causes autism
Doomsday:
1. Mayo Clinic: “Encephalitis (en-sef-uh-LIE-tis) is inflammation of the brain. There are several causes, but the most common is viral infection.”
Some vaccines contain LIVE viruses. Other Vaccines contain known neurotoxins including mercury & aluminum. Children get multiple vaccines at once so they are getting both LIVE viruses & neurotoxins at once!Do you honestly believe that this even vaguely resembles a proof?
So if 4,000 people died from Measles
They die of complications from measles. Big difference. You can’t accuse the CDC of lying based on your unproven conjecture.
As a parent it should be my decision and my decision only whether or not I am willing to take the risks with the bodies of my children.
Absolute dangerous nonsense. No, you can’t do whatever you want to your children. It’s your G-d given responsibility to take care of them properly. It is therefore a halachic obligation to vaccinate them. You have no “right” to inflict your meshugas on them or on others’ children through exposure.
The two numbers, as Health points out, aren’t contradictory. Besides the numbers being from different decades, let’s simply look at the CDC statement again:
“In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year, among reported cases, an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.”
So an estimated 500 people died among the reported cases, not among the total estimated 3 to 4 million.
The total estimated cases and the total reported cases are two totally different numbers. To figure out the percentage, you need to use the number of reported cases of measles, not the total estimated cases, which assume many unreported cases.
The question is how many reported cases there were.
Guess what, on a different part of the CDC website, they write there were 500,000 reported cases. 500 deaths would be 1 in 1000.
Doomsday, you’re either lying by covering up the inconvenient facts, or more likely, you’ve been had by the anti vax websites and groups.
Either way, the whole premise of your “the CDC is lying” claim is totally false.
I’ve never heard of a blanket referred to as a device.
Doorknobs, 9.9/10. They almost always work.
Cars, 8/10. They probably have a similar success rate as doorknobs, but the consequences of them malfunctioning are usually worse.
just so that the gullible chasidim can get drunk an extra day
They need an excuse?
It’s not sensical, or sensible. It’s purely emotional.
I think you made that up
Can you understand that we never entered an agreement that I, who oppose vaccines will get vaccinated, to help protect you?
Nevertheless, it’s your obligation.
That is the bottom line. You don’t have the right to inflict your meshugas on your children or anyone else’s.
One lie after another
I’m going to invite you to read his words one more time, before I explain the simple English like a pre school teacher.
Please do, because I still don’t see any defensible interpretation.
Chabad has different Yomim Tovim than regular Judaism?
Unbelievable. You have no problem putting your kids and other kids at risk, yet you call others out for a lack of yiras shomayim.
Last night I went into one of the local general supermarkets as is my Motzei Shabbos post Thanksgiving custom and bought every single frozen Empire turkey which were marked down to 99 cents per pound and stocked our freezers in the garage. I was able to purchase 12 of the 14-16 pound birds and 8 of the 20-24 pounders. By next week they’ll again be about $3.79 per pound in the market.
No wonder I couldn’t find any.
As painful as these stories are, they don’t prove anything.
Funny, when it comes to money ( Medicaid, Section 8,food stamps etc ) we jump up and down and shout Give Me, I’m an American!! When it comes to Thanksgiving and July 4, suddenly we’re not Americans, its chukas goyim.
What a horrible comparison
DY obviously I disagree with your comment, but I appreciate it nonetheless (if that makes sense)
I guess whether it makes sense depends on what you appreciate…