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superme -“health- so what are you telling me?”
I told you who to go see. Look up.
SB -“I saw a psychiatrist today and started relaxation therapy…”
Do you mean a psychiatrist or a psychologist? People sometimes get the two mixed up. Did this have anything to do with my recommendation?
benignuman -“Ahavben, We don’t agree that it is much worse, we agree it is worse. I disagree on the “much.” The point of not writing the kesuba is that at least they realize that it is not something that they should be proud of. By analogy a murderer who boasts about his murder is worse than one who tries to hide it, but the boasting isn’t remotely comparable to the horrendous nature of the murder.”
You also on the page previously denied that same-gender marriage contracts (Kesubos) can bring destruction in the world. You have taken Chazal’s words and twisted them and Krummed them up for your own ideological POV!
Writing marriage contracts one to the other from the same gender is Much worse that just doing the act regarding its’ punishment in this world, as opposed to the actual sin. It’s called Makeh B’patesh – one sin on top of another. The former brings about the destruction of the world as you see from the following:
From the topic of Jews Ought to Vote Republican – The Torah Supports Conservatism:
“Dave Hirsch –
GAW -“That makes it even worse, that they (The Lakewood “vaad” and its controllers) sold out to the Avoda Zara called Mammon. Corzine got the “Yeshiva” half a million dollars for a “Holocaust library”, so they had to repay in votes.”
I didn’t say I agreed with their Cheshbon, just explaining it.
And I didn’t mean to say they weighed one against the other, just they thought the Toeiva agenda would happen anyway -they weren’t being so astute regarding this political view. So they really didn’t take Corzine’s Pro-Toeiva agenda into Cheshbon.
HaKatan -“Health correctly referred to the Chazal that there are times, that once Hashem had allowed the mashchis to go forth, that his destruction was, to some extent, indiscriminate.”
I looked it up. It’s not so Pashut. The Sifsay Chachomim learns Rashi about the Mashchis is refering to the Mashchis of “night”, not of the Bechorim. (Night is a time of danger.) Ramban argues and learns the Mashchis is when a king goes out he has soldiers pushing people out of the way -so also Hashem went out in Egypt that night and anyone there would get pushed away (and possibly hurt) by his Malachim keeping e/o away.
But the Malbim learns this Possuk is dependant on the Maclokes of R’ Yoshea and R’ Yonasson that argue about what Oopasachti means. So acc. to R’ Yoshea the Mashchis wouldn’t go into a Jew’s house if a Mitzri was there because then he’d have to kill both and this is why a Jew should Not go outside on that night. And R’ Yonasson would argue and says the Mashchis did differentiate even in the same house. So this poster Jay can hold like this Shitta.
Still this would be in Mitzrayim where we had Nissim Geluyim happen to us -it’s unlikely Hashem would be Mavchen all the time, like during hurricaines because this would require a Neis Goluy.
Can you imagine how this would work out -one house would have flooding and the very next house -no flooding because it’s a Jew’s house. I don’t think nowadays anyone would hold Hashem would be Mavchen. We aren’t on the level to see Obvious Miracles!
benignuman -“My position is that we should keep our mouths shut and not tell the goyim what to do. This is the position being followed, in practice, by the vast majority of the American Orthodox Rabbinate.”
First of all, I’m Not interested in Your position. Second of all, Don’t read into their silence as they are on the opposition of the Gedolim that said to publically protest. They could hold either way.
So it appears to me we have some anon. posters here who hold that Noone should Protest, against well known Gedolim who say we should. I have no problem of who to listen to. If people aren’t sure what to do -let them ask their LOR!
Doniel -“Even worse, what kind of an example is it when we have sell-out phony Jews like Shelly Silver and David Weprin having the audacity to call themselves frum when their politics are destroying the world and are reflective of very evil attitudes?”
I agree. Thanx for posting.
GAW -“Execpt for supporting the Pro-Toeiva Jon Corzine. That is an expressed opinion that was pro-toeiva by a “Gadol”.”
This is an outrageous lie and I’m no Chosid of the Kotlers. They went for Corzine because of Hakoras Hatov. They never were Pro his Toeiva -agenda. They didn’t openly go against him and wanted to vote for him because they figured his other Maalos outweigh this one Chessoron. Then people here asked the Gedolim in EY and they said you can’t ignore that one Chessoron.
Naftush – I don’t know if it was you or s/o else, but this point was brought up before. Noone here is grading you on grammar. If you don’t like it – lump it. I’m sick of the Grammar police here. The only exceptions are these posts which are hardly legible.
superme -“Ok I was just frying to figure out if this is normal wtvr thnxs”
You know it’s Not Normal because you wrote:
“went todoctors couple of times”
So why are you asking now?
“Being that we were talkingbout stomach problems I have a question sorry if I’m ruining this thread..; I have bad stomach pains often I don’t have so much of an appetite any more, I’m constanly constipated or total opposite never normal, sometimes I bleed from using the bathroom and kept giving mestuff for IBS like : Mirilax, something stool etc. I am also stressed.”
So you were diagnosed with IBS. I’ll repeat what I wrote to Snowbunny -IBS is treated by 3 people – a Gastro, a psychologist, and a psychiatrist.
JayMatt19 -“Why didn’t they make an announcement in BMG for all to go? As mentioned, there are only 40 people there at the protest? Why? They should have easily been able to get more, all they had to do was ask.
Probably cause they didn’t want to ask and they didn’t want more. And this was about marriage and was about NJ, not EY”
Since when does BMG represent Klal Yisroel in NJ? They are a Yeshiva. Also, this Yeshiva is very much into politics – so they aren’t going to make political protests that aren’t PC. They don’t feel the backlash will be worth it for them.
“You are welcome to have the final word, but like I told another poster, do not read anything into my silence”
Just like you don’t want to have anyone read into your silence, why are you reading into BMG’s silence?
“your proofs are thin at best. I don’t argue for the sake of arguing, I made my point and I anticipated the replies that got. I stand by my point.”
You can stand by your points all you want, but don’t just say my “proofs are thin at best”, bring some proof to your statements.
Or do you just want e/o here to take your word for it?
“Cheshbon hanefesh means bettering ones self, looking at ones own behavior and trying to better it. Blaming others is not going to help klal yisorel.”
Again this wasn’t just about blaming others. This was about what Yidden did Not do about the Toeiva agenda.
“Did you protest the marriage laws in Europe? Are they not part of the world too?”
Obviously, Hashem doesn’t consider it a Taana on us if we aren’t even in the same Country. Not only was this in our Country, these laws were passed in the States we reside in. And btw, not all of Europe is Pro-toeiva, Russia is passing more laws against them.
“Also, We had to do many things to show hashem we are worthy of becoming his nation. To train ourselves that the fear is in hashem, and that hashem can protect us
“when the angel of destruction goes out” last I checked, we say in the haggada that hashem did that makka himself. Perhaps your hagadda says differently”
The fact that Hashem did it directly as opposed to using a Malach or a messenger is irrevelant. Everything ultimately comes from Hashem – so this danger of being destroyed because of others applies whether Hashem does the destructiom himself or uses a Malach. This is his policy. So Hashem can include Jews amongst the victims of a hurricaine, even if they weren’t the reason of the Gezeirah.
“This will be the final time I reply to you here, or any other post until for the foreseeable future.”
This certainly is your prerogative; I have no problem with this!
JM -“And getting back to the initial point, why would we be punished to harshly with a hurricane for not doing enough? Seems like those who say to protest, do so in a very limited way.”
I answered your question, but you ignored it. Here is my post:
“You sound like a pacifist. Forget about that this law affects Jews and more are influenced by these liberal laws to become that way, why don’t you care about that this brings destruction to the world? Don’t we live in this world too? And don’t say -“Well why wouldn’t we be exempt?” We just learned in the Parsha -we had to do many things to avoid the destruction of Macas Bechoros. Why? Because once the angel of destruction goes out -it doesn’t differentiate between good and bad. Didn’t you learn this? Or you don’t believe in it?”
It seems you only respond to posts that you think you have a rebuttal. The others you ignore like they aren’t there. In spite of your pretending – there is a very good case for the Frum Jews to go out and protest against this Toeivah. The fact that Rabbonim in EY haven’t made such a loud protest against Toeiva over there is because they aren’t giving them legal marriage there. If they will try that there – the protests over there will get ugly.
Wow. I didn’t know this. Two years is even more liberal than Europe and the US.
waaaaaaah -“Did you read the part where exsoldier said that if you go to nachal haredi, ‘there are no females on the bases’?
Also, I happen to be an ex-soldier myself. And exsoldier’s post is correct.”
exsoldier -“health: yes, even in boot camp nachal haredi have their own little base slightly separated from the main base. They most certainly are not forced to listen to women sing as they are never in a position where they will be with women. I fail to see what is so hard to understand.”
I read your posts about “No women” etc. But whether you mean to lie or just are so blinded by your way of life – I don’t know.
I always research my posts before I post. I found a blog from Frum IDF soldiers that the training he went through – he had to – “roll around with female trainees”. This is his quote, not mine.
The other said they don’t do this anymore – he never claimed though – he didn’t train with them.
“As for ya’harog val ya’avor, when the army forces someone to serve idols, commit adultery/incest, kill an innocent person not posing a threat or cause one of the public specific types of relevant chilul haShem, then we will have something to talk about. Until, then, if someone is attacking me or those under my protection I will kill to defend, army or not.”
I don’t know what kind of Torah teaching you had, but it is defecient. Perhaps you’re a BT or didn’t learn in good Yeshivos, but your Torah knowledge is lacking. The Halacha is clear -Yahrog Val Yavor applies even in Abizrayhu. This means even something as far as women singing or “rolling around with women trainees”, you’d have to give up your life and not do these things.
“I find it ironic that there are religious jews who are publicaly anti-israel, the country that today represents jews to the whole world, and cause a huge public chilul haShem – something that could perhaps be considered ya’harog val yavor.”
Another defeciency in your Torah knowledge. The only things that can be a Chillul Hashem are things that are Not against the Torah. Putting down a Medina that was/is based on Kefira is a Kiddush Hashem, not a Chillul Hashem. Chillul Hashem is Not something against the popularity of something -it’s something against Hashem and his Torah.
lesschumras -“Health, the Arabs haven’t controlled the land for nearly 1,000 years. Between the Crusaders, Mamalukes, Ottomans and, finally the British, others controlled it. Why should I care that the Arabs didn’t agree to the partition?”
And Your Point is????
I said Noone gave the land to the Jews – Not England, not the Arabs and Not the League of Nations/UN! So what claim do these Zionists have on the land? They don’t have any except for a religious claim and they have no right to make a religious claim -being they aren’t religious.
snowbunny3318 -“plus, in a different thread, Health said that he only plays a doctor online, but isn’t an actual doctor in real life.”
This is an outright lie! I never said I was a Doctor online or in real life. Whatever I do here – I do IRL. This could make me a doctor or another medical practitioner.
Just because you only listen to what you want to hear and not to things that you don’t want to hear, don’t make up lies about me because I told you something you didn’t want to hear!
Naysberg -“Shas is run on the word of Chacham Ovadia. Period. And Rav Ovadia has taken a hard-line in the sand on no draft.”
Don’t bother ZD with the truth. He has no comprehension of this idea that people are Mevatel their Daas to Rabbonim. A big Maaleh amongst Sefardim and I’m not Sefardi. They respect Rabbis, even if they aren’t religious.
2scents -“Does anyone know of any CME’s (BLS or ALS) given in the tri-state area?”
Go to this website: http://www.lessstress.com/index.html
And the courses are given in Union/Essex/Bergen counties in NJ, not so far from Monsey.
ZD -Still in your dream world about a draft? Read the news -Bibi wants Shas and Shas and UTJ are making a bloc. There will be more Frum army volunteer programs. But there won’t be a draft, in spite of your animosity towards Charedim.
lesschumras -“It was partitioned by the UN into Jewish and Arab states”
If you’re the least bit interested in the truth – whatever the League of Nations and then later the UN said or did – it was never binding and the arabs never accepted it. I dunno if the Zionists stole it, – so I don’t really agree with that guy, but noone actually gave it to them. The English packed out and the Zionists saw the Oppurtunity and seized it. So noone gave it to them. The only claim to the land is a religous one. Since they love to Shmad Frum people – how can they make claims on religion?
So to all you Zionists here, why in the world should the Charedim go and fight for your country, that they were never interested in having, because you said so? Esp. since you agreed for our backing of the creation of the Medina – that you wouldn’t force us into the army?!?!
exsoldier -“If you go to nachal haredi there are no females on your bases and most people there are also religious.”
And there are No females in boot camp and you Never, ever have to listen to them sing? Right?!?!
So don’t preach about lying when you’re doing the exact same thing.
And btw, have you ever heard of Yahrog V’al Yavor? So enough with this Pikuach Nefesh bit!
Toi -“shtusim. im from toronto, and lived there all my life. any real natives say torono. with no ‘t’. any immigrant yeshivish people generally dont.”
Thanks for confirming my post since I’m not a Canadian.
benignuman -“but in Montreal I never experienced any anti-semitism beyond stupid teenagers making “Juife” puns.”
Let’s be realistic. The Pepsis were never worse than your typical Schwartza in NY. I just think Americans when they see white Goyim have expectations of them being intelligent. The Pepsis are empty from the top up, hence the nickname, which is a culture shock for Frum Jews.
The real danger in Moreal is that they are like the French in France and have allowed in tons of Muslims, including many “Palestinians”.
mdd -It’s a shame that your and all the zionists here dream will never come to be. Israel isn’t about to force anyone from the Charedim to do anything. They aren’t interested in suicide. Despite you and others animosity to Charedim, Bibi won’t cut off his nose in spite of his face.
SaysMe -“health-pretty sure its Toronto; i have a sib there”
If you’re talking about the spelling, but I was talking about their pronunciation.
SB -“For the first few days after taking my medication, omeprazole, (which my great aunt also has chronic gastritis, so we both take the same medication, which further reiterates to me that I got the correct diagnosis…) I felt better. However, eventually things got a bit more stressful and as a result, I have not been able to participate in every single activity on my schedule….”
This is called the “placebo effect”. That drug that you mentioned reduces acid. IBS has nothing to do with excess acid.
“Although that month was stressful, it was a lot easier because I had my own room and didn’t have to worry about other people’s extremes in sleep schedules…”
Are you sure they are the ones with extremes? Getting up @ 11 AM means you went to sleep real late. Perhaps you should go to sleep and wake up at the same times as your roomate?
benignuman -“While Reb Mottel Zt”l was alive, he was undoubtedly in control of the ruchnius of the Yeshiva. Recently, and in my mind terribly, R’ Glustein was removed from his position (and then brought back in as Rosh Yeshiva Emiritus) and R’Zeffren was forced to retire.”
Who’s running the place now? Unless he’s doing a bad job, I don’t understand your comment of “Recently, and in my mind terribly, R’ Glustein was removed from his position (and then brought back in as Rosh Yeshiva Emiritus)”!
Confucious -“Will the Israeli government have to build new prisons to jail tens of thousands of Frum Yidden resisting the draft in order to learn Torah? Will all this lead to civil war?”
It won’t get this far. They will just expand the volunteer Frum army units. Israel politics and reality are two separate entities. Even though all the Zionists who post here are thrilled that the Charedim will lose money and be forced into the army -it’s just their delusions.
I could be wrong though -even stable guys like Bibi can become suicidal. If they go through with a forced draft on all Charedim -there will be mass unrest. This mass unrest will paralyze Israel and after that the arabs will join in and bye-bye State.
I won’t shed any tears, but what will all the “Frum” zionists do on Yom Haatzmous (Day of bones)? I guess we won’t have the zionists posting here how they said Hallel in the morning.
JM -“Firstly, where is there a mitzva to try to convince the goyish government to make their laws in line with our laws? Where is it stated that there is a Mitzva to do anything?”
You sound like a pacifist. Forget about that this law affects Jews and more are influenced by these liberal laws to become that way, why don’t you care about that this brings destruction to the world? Don’t we live in this world too? And don’t say -“Well why wouldn’t we be exempt?” We just learned in the Parsha -we had to do many things to avoid the destruction of Macas Bechoros. Why? Because once the angel of destruction goes out -it doesn’t differentiate between good and bad. Didn’t you learn this? Or you don’t believe in it?
“Secondly what should we have done exactly?”
If you would have Read My posts -I repeatedly said what could be/have been done. We have Jewish leaders in NY State Gov. and they could have been influenced by their Jewish constituents to oppose the Toeiva agenda. Stop putting your head in the sand!
Nechomah -“I would be careful with Optalgin. It is supposed to be a “stronger” pain reliever than Acamol, but it can have side effects. I saw one site that shows abdominal pain as one of the most prevalent side effects. What is the point of taking it if the reason you’re taking is for abdominal pain. Maybe the abdominal pain will be worse as a result of the Optalgin?”
Welcome to socialized medicine. Something to look forward to here in the US. He is Not so far off as you think. I had to look it up because this drug is Not used in the US. Actually, one of its’ main uses is Abdominal pain. But where this guy is off is because he didn’t get the diagnosis. IBS is somatic pain, not actual. Optalgin is a pain reliever (NSAID). It works on actual pain, like after surgery, not somatic pain. Shrinks give drugs for somatic pain.
“It’s good that this doctor says they are going to try and help the other issues because hopefully that will help your situation more than the drugs.”
It’s not his job. It’s the job of her therapist and shrink. And if she doesn’t have them -she should get them.
“Don’t read new symptoms in your body unnecessarily. It will just make you more nervous. I learned one time that first year medical students often “have” many of the illnesses that they learn about in medical school, just as a matter of learning the symptoms of different illnesses and probably deciding that they themselves have those symptoms. Don’t fall into that pit.”
The students have temporary Hypochondria. Her issues are Not temporary and need professional help. Noone on this site are replacements for therapy and medications.
Shraga18 -“Someone I know is contemplating moving to Montreal. They’re looking for information on schooling, cost of living (large family), communities (they’re yeshivish) etc etc.”
The biggest problem that I found with Moreal is that the Frum communities are not cohesive. What do I mean? When you live in such a Golus amongst Antisemitic French and lots of Muslims, the Frum communities would fare much better if they were all next to each other. Eg. Toronno, basically is cohesive. It started around Bathurst and moved up. When you go to visit the different communities -you’ll see what I mean.
Also, for people not used to very cold, it can be challenging.
DaMoshe -“I heard that the yeshiva there had some difficulties after R’ Altusky left to go to Darchei Torah in Far Rockaway. He was very popular, and some guys from the yeshiva followed him there. Afterwards, some people who would have gone to Montreal went to Darchei Torah instead.”
The Yeshiva was started by R’ Baron zt’l. It was taken over by R’ Glustein. They brought in R’ Weinberg zt’l from NY. He was an attraction for out-of-town Bochurim. His son-in-law took over after him. It was and still is R’ Glustein’s Yeshiva. I don’t think he is the type that is interested in having or at least interested in going out of his way to have out-of town Bochurim.
Btw, I knew/met all these people.
benignuman -“Lapid has publicly said that he would do everything in his power to strip the Orthodox of control over marriage, divorce and conversion.”
There’s politics and there is reality. Israel politics is the number 1 country in the world which has the most distance between the two. All these Israeli politicians want are power and money. What he will try to pass through parliment is that a case of two non-Jews or two Toeivaniks getting married will legally be able to marry, divorce, etc. I don’t think he wants to, let alone be able to, take the Jews out of the Rabbanut hands.
benignuman -“Why do you think he had the locks on the door?”
First of all, are you the former poster whose SN was Avi K?
Even if I couldn’t guess -why is that a smoking gun of guilt?
But I can think of a few reasons. 1. The room was once owned by elderly and they felt they needed many locks to protect them. 2. He put on the locks because he had kids/teenagers, from the street, not his, sleeping in that room at night and he slept in his bedroom. So he put on one and it broke and then he put on another and another, without taking off the first one. In Brooklyn, it’s very common to have two locks on a door. One a dead bolt and the other a chain to open a little to see who it is.
MR -“Health you clearly have no experience in the outside world and now once and for all I believe your sole purpose he is to troll. No “medical degree”, no life experience outside of your shtetl. You are in such utter denial and should just stop posting.”
Since I hit the nail on the head about your emotions and I’m a lot older and more mature than you, instead of defending myself against your outlandish post, I’ll just ignore it. Please try from now on to look at things using your intelligence only, not your emotions. Actually this is the Torah way on how to look at things.
akuperma -“Health: Lapid’s views on security are very similar to Likud – keep some settlements, ditch the rest. Also, Lapid like the Hareidim is largely a one-issue party that can be “bought” — give Lapid what he wants (a Hareidi draft with few loopholes) and he’ll compromise on other issues. Lapid might also agree to recognize “religious objections” (he’s big on respect for international legal principles”) to military service especially if coupled with restricting government funding to veterans.”
I disagree with your pessimistic attitude. I think he is closer than you think to Bibi’s belief of expanding the national service in the framework that exists. I don’t think he’ll demand an all out draft of the Charedim – which btw will collapse the State of Israel due to the social unrest. Maybe the Charedim can’t collapse the State by themselves, but the Arabs are looking for such an oppurtunity and together they both will turn over the State. I think Bibi and others know this and will do their best to avoid such a situation.
Also, I think his main demand is the peace process, Not Charedim army service. This was his first thought about why there needs to be a new party – from the Jerusalem post a few months ago:
I’m not a Novi, but this is the way I see things. He’ll compromise on the Charedi draft, but not on continuing to build new settlements. BH wants the Charedi draft, but might compromise on it, but they won’t compromise on not having more settlements.
chalilavchas -“We actually have something called a Torah that forbids Yichud.”
Really? So you’re basing your opinion on what the Torah holds? Were you there -so at least there is an Eid Echad saying he had Yichud? No, you weren’t! And he says the door wasn’t locked. Maybe his Rabbi told him that’s enough Not to be Yichud?!?!
Your opinion is based on your hatred to Chassidim/Satmar and btw I’m not either of those.
MorahRach -“Health I sincerely hope you only have sons. C’v anything like this happened to your daughter she would probably be like the other girls molested by Webberman and afraid to come forward because people like you would shun her from the community.”
Stop using your emotions over here. Base your opinion on the facts. Why do you automatically believe a girl who went OTD way before a respectable person, who has been Frum all his life, even met her? Is it your hatred to other Frum Jews who aren’t exactly like you – like a lot of the posters here, that made you think this way? This case is just – he says -she says, nothing more.
Leyzer -“It is not anti-semitic Russia three hundred years ago. It is modern day America. He got tried in a fair court and it is absurd to think otherwise. Stop bleating about injustice. The guy deserved what he got.”
Mr. -it would make sense to read my post before commenting on it.
I wrote they found him guilty, Not because of anti-semitism and Not because of evidence, only because of emotions!
“What was his defence? That she was trying to set him up because – wait for it – he installed CCTV to catch her in the act with her boyfriend. Hardly a resounding proof of innocence – if anything just the opposite! Not to mention the fact that he couldn’t explain the unusual purchases on his credit card. Or that he was discovered to be misusing his charity funds. The whole picture was undeniably odd and sinister and pointed to his guilt.”
Actually he tried to have the boyfriend arrested for stautory attack on a minor and this is what the girl wanted revenge on.
Pretty strange behavior for s/o who supposedly did the same thing. I’d think he’d join the guy instead of going after him, if he was into this kind of thing. And the misuse of money -has absolutely no bearing on his innocence or guilt in what he was on trial for.
akuperma – In spite of your doomsday predictions about the Charedim, I don’t think it’s reality. Lapid and Mizrachists (BH)
can’t be in the same coalition because they have opposite views on the peace process. BH wants expansion of settlements and Lapid wants to give in to the arabs and the US. They both want to force Charedim into the army, but that’s not enough to sit together in the same Gov. So what Bibi will do – what he wants. He also believes in what he says in the past. He is Not one of these politicians that changes his mind completely to be in power.
He wants to expand settlements just a little, not like BH (as much as possible) and not like Lapid (not at all). He also wants to keep having more Frumme in the army by expanding the Frum programs that exist -he’s not interested in widescale drafting of Charedim. So he will play Lapid and BH against each other. The one that comes closest to his demands that I just mentioned will be picked. He will then get the Charedi parties to join up – and they will because there won’t be a draft.
yytz -“Adults who are already frum, though, I’m not so worried about.”
That’s because you have your head in the sand. I know some former “Frum” married woman who went to college and took these women lib courses and now is Frei and one of those Toeivaniks.
The Therapist -“how can anyone stick up for someone who was with a young girl in a room with a bed and 3 locks on the door?”
How can anyone stick up for such a verdict and claim to be a “Frum” Jew? And yet I’ve seen many “Frum” Jews doing just this.
Forget about how this was an injustice acc. to their Goyishe laws and how do I know this? Because just compare this case to the Anthony’s case in Florida. There the evidence was much stronger, but the Jury refused to convict because there was no smoking gun.
Here there was no corroborating evidence besides some therapist that the “girl” told the same story to. All the other evidence didn’t point directly to molestation. To me this just means she lied twice. But yet the Jury found him guilty. Probably due to the fact that anyone esp. a male accused of molesting a female is guilty until proven innocent because of the emotions of the Judge & Jury.
Back to my original comment. We actually have something called a Torah and all those Jews jumping in joy for putting away for good this so-called molester have no concern what it says. Well it says even if this guy would be guilty the punishment is for him to marry her and pay a fine. So all these “Frum” people screaming “Yahoo” are just arguing with Hashem and his Torah and they think they know better than G-d!
147 – “Because of satmar’s unconscionable actions, I hereby am pledging to increase my Zionism:”
Since when does a Farbissene Tzioni like you need an excuse? I thought you held these things were a Mitzva?
The Kanoi Next Door – Stop wasting your breath. These Zionists aren’t interested in logic!
ZD -“I am very well aware of Ellu V Ellu
However you said it was Assur to vote according to all Gedolim.
If you had said my rebbe forbids it, that is another issue”
Funny you must be dyslexic, at least when it comes to reading Charedims’ posts. This is what I posted:
“It’s Ossur to vote in Israeli elections! Period. End of story.”
Nowhere does it say “all Gedolim”. It doesn’t even mention anyone; so the most you can assume is that this is my opinion. Instead of asking me what my opinion is based on -you make outlandish comments about R’ Chaim Shlita. And btw, you don’t have to ask me what my opinion is based on now, because I already listed those Gedolim on page 1.
mercury -“no sorry i dont know how to look it up. if you can maybe give me the link i will read it.”
I’m not good with computers, but try putting this in your web page line above & pressing enter:
SB -It means – I’m not answering you on your latest question.
benignuman -“I am not MO and I am not Mizrachi.”
Oh my! Then it must just be a coincidence that you have the exact same philosophies.
“I am a Zionist in the same way Rav Gifter T”ZL was (“I am the biggest Tzioni, I say 3 times a day ‘v’sechezena eineinu b’shuvcha l’TZION b’rachamim”).”
The Chutzpa to claim you’re like him is unreal. You’re not even close to him in any way shape or form. My father knew him very well and I’ve met him and I’m friendly with one of his sons.
“BTW dropping “brainwashing” into a debate is absolutely pointless.”
Here is another word I’m dropping into this debate -“manipulator”!
Your posts (almost all), esp. the last one about R’ Gifter zt’l, reek of s/o trained in manipulation.
DaasYochid -“Mdd was referring to taking money, not joining the army.”
yytz -“But to the extent that a tragedy effects Jews, we need to do teshuvah and figure out, on an individual and communal level, what we need to rectify! That’s the way it has always been. When something bad happens to Jews, we do teshuvah!”
And why can’t it be that one of the reasons of these weather tragedies is that Jews have Not done enough to stop Toeiva in this country? Esp. if they can make a difference in who wins elections. I already pointed out to you a specific case where Jews pick the State Assemblyman.