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miritchka -“I was wondering if someone can help me understand something thats been bothering me to no end.”
While you make good points and as a medical professional I’d agree, but as a Frum Yid I don’t. Chazal tell us not to judge others unless you’re in their place. They must have had a million thoughts racing through their mind. They are from the lucky ones, some stayed and didn’t survive. Anybody who isn’t/wasn’t affected by this storm should do whatever they can to help those who were.
dhl144 -“DID u go to brookdale commmunity college?”
No, I did not. I went to OCC in TR amongst many other schools.
Where’s Brookdale? Or do you mean BCC in Lincroft?
MediumThinker -“Health -The rabbonim in Germany had the minhag to “shake e/o’s hands after Shul on Shabbos”. As such, I would advise everyone to ask their Rav and not pasken based on Health’s “feelings”.”
Well it isn’t just my feelings, it seems even Germans hold this way. A quote from ROB.
“rabbiofberlin – I do know that R”Moshe ztl has a couple of teshuvos on this and he is certainly not intimating the same thing. He quotes the minhag of Rabbonim in Germany that did shake hands and , although he writes “koshe lehattir”- it is difficult to be “meikel’, etc.”
Sam2 -“Health: I don’t think so. I think everyone agrees that not Derech Chibah is Muttar Lechatchilah (see Kesuvos 17a). The only issue is whether not Derech Chibah can actually exist in a practicaly, everyday situation.”
Well then, if I’m not right explain to me why they hold Assur.
I posted above, I don’t even agree with Rav Shacter that by a pretty woman that it’s Assur. I hold handshaking for business purposes is Not Derech Chiba, period -no exceptions. What I hold is Assur is some people shaking e/o’s hands after Shul on Shabbos, whether they are the same or different genders.
YeshivaRodefKesef -“Not that it is relevant who I am, but I am a Hatzolah member and I will not standby while you attack other members or the organization.”
Please explain to me in plain English how I was “Attacking” Hatzolah.
“You clearly said that you “were sure” those parking illegally were H-Members. When one says thay are “sure” it means that they have no doubt otherwise. That is what I questioned.”
Yes, I’m still pretty sure. We’ll wait for BPM to look at the cars and see if they are Hatzolah or not.
You seem to suffer from some sort of paranoia because you consider my posts as an attack. I had just posted to BPM that I’m quite confident the cars parked there are Hatzolah. Since you didn’t actually read my whole post before you responded, you assumed that I agreed that they were illegally parked. I actually posted that I wasn’t sure if it was legal for them to park there or not. So since I wasn’t sure if these cars were doing anything wrong, just was sure that the cars were Hatzolah, where did you find an Attack on Hatzolah?
It seems that your rant towards me was baseless. So your defense is really an offense because you think noone has the right to comment on Your ambulance service, just others (eg. Bed -Stuy).
jackness -“HEALTH – seriously? that is your response? instead of assuming i am an idiot why dont you assume i am not and the radio was not on TOO loud. As far as the ear piece it is not so simple to take in and out on shabbbos or yom tov. It is also to many people uncomfortable. My point was is and always will be, everyone sings a very different tune when they have an emergency.”
Look I posted before I don’t like judging up cases without hearing the other side. But obviously this person who complained thought the guy’s radio was on too loud. Whether it was or wasn’t, there is no way for me to know. If you were there – what should have happenned was that you should have asked others standing there what their opinion was. Instead right away you jumped to this guy’s defense. This was your bias at play.
If others would have said -Yea, it’s too loud -then the member who is hard of hearing should wear an ear piece in Shul, whether it’s uncomfortable or not. If the others there would have said -No, it’s not too loud -then your defense was warranted.
As far as Shabbos, he can use two radios -one for home & one for Shul with the ear piece – if the guy has the actual need to have his radio on very loud.
“My point was is and always will be, everyone sings a very different tune when they have an emergency.”
This could be, but the point of this topic in the CR is that Vollys for Ambulance Services don’t have the right to abuse others. The abuse could be using L & S when not authorized, parking illegally when not available to respond, having relatives who are not responders parking illegally, and now that you mentioned it – blaring your radio when it disturbs others.
While all these things probably are not too common, they do occur.
YeshivaRodefKesef -“Really? You know this how? You think or youre sure ?!?
You say youre sure, so I imagine you were there and checked each car and found a valid plaque and DOH sticker.
Ever heard of Dan l’kaf zechus, my friend?
Especially for those who drop whatever were doing when you need us?”
What are you – a Macher/Coordinator for Hatzolah? When s/o writes they are sure it doesn’t mean they are 100% sure, otherwise they would say that, just it’s most likely/probable.
And why would you get on the defensive, when I wasn’t attacking Hatzolah? I posted that I don’t know if it’s illegal or not. I just posted to BPM that the law could be acc. to Hatzolah’s interpretation. So for s/o to get on the defensive for no reason, it’s usually because they are feeling guilty. So what are you feeling guilty about – esp. if noone on Hatzolah does anything wrong?
BPM -“When the word “standby” is used, it does not mean 24/7/365. Few people in this world are always on standby. But, as I said before, if you believe I am in error, why not write the DOT Authorized Parking Bureau and ask them if you have the right to break the parking rules any time you wish?
Now I’m not an expert in law, but this a gray area. You could say “standby” doesn’t mean 24/7, but who says this is right? Hatzolah can hold they are on “standby” 24/7. The only way to know exact definitions is when a case like this goes to court and the Judge defines it one way or another. And then it has to go up the appeals process before you have case law.
It’s obvious that they are defining “standby” as 24/7.
And if you say a Judge would never define it that way, I know many examples where Courts have literally removed the basic translation of the law and put in their own meaning. They call this “Legislating from the Bench”. This is a big problem in this country – they give too much power to our Court system.
The Litvishe Kiryas Yoelite -“Also, isn’t there very strict regulations in New York State on who may have lights and sirens? Even if someone bought a “membership” in some volunteer ambulance service, that itself doesn’t entitle them to have L&S – even if they have a VAS plate. So how do they have L&S?”
The people who buy these things just want to get away with illegal activity. They know that if they put L & S on their cars with VAS plates, that it’s a very long shot that they will be pulled over to see if they are actually responding to an emergency.
Borough Park Mensch -“Further, is it not true that some of these plate holders are not emergency responers?”
Any member of a VAS can get VAS plates, even if they are EMT’s or EMT-P’s and even if they are not, as long as they are members. Most members of VAS put VAS on their license plates. They don’t want to put EMT or EMT-P on their plates anymore because they believe the VAS plates protects them from tickets. Whether this is actually the case or not, I don’t know.
“To which organization do these drivers belong and why does it not do anything about their law breaking?”
You really don’t know? I’m sure they are Hatzolah members. They probably parked there over Yom Tom because they probably Daven in those Shuls and they wanted their vehicle close by in case they have to respond from Shul. Whether this is illegal or not, I have no idea.
Jimmy Savile -“When a shake a woman’s hand at work I am NOT thinking what you I dare say one track minded people might think I’m thinking of, I am doing the accepted thing culturally, similarly shaking a males hand after a meeting. It is accepted practice amongst the business world…”
There are those that say it’s ok in this situation. But acc. to others it’s still not allowed. Why? Because touching any woman that you’re not allowed to – is wrong, no matter what your intention.
Sam2 -“HaLeiVi: I once asked Rav Schachter about handshakes. He said that if she’s pretty it’s probably Yeihareg V’al Ya’avor. If she’s not, it’s probably Muttar Lechatchilah.”
This might be a first, but I am more Meikel than this. IMHO, even if the woman looks good – this would only be if you noticed that. If during let’s say an interview for a job, the woman stuck out her hand, I’d shake it. Because in such a situation, you wouldn’t really notice that aspect, because the job applicant is too nervous. So I personally think this clause of “if she’s pretty”, is Not absolute.
Jimmy Savile -“Excuse my ignorance, What could be so wrong in shaking a woman’s hand in a professional setting? its not as if your touching her in a preemptive asking sort of way?”
Why don’t you read All the posts in the topic before commenting?
A lot of Poskim hold it’s Assur, just like any touching of any women, except the few that you can touch. You can’t be trusted that you won’t enjoy it. It’s not the same thing as sitting next to a woman on a bus.
jackness -“I remember a story someone was complaining that a members radio was on very loud, i looked at the guy like he was ill, and asked him “what if you were the one calling in? would you not want this member to be able to hear the call???”
I don’t like to comment on cases where I don’t have exact details, but let’s assume the complainer was justified and the radio was on very loud. Let’s also assume this was in a place where there should be quiet, eg. Shul. Btw, I’ve been in Shul with Hatzolah guys and usually the radio is not that loud. But assuming that this guy’s radio was very loud -you condemn the complainer because the Hatzolah guy can’t hear the call otherwise. While this would be an excuse if there was no other way -this is not the case. Why can’t the member use an ear piece instead of disturbing the people around him?
MorahRach -“Is it Halacha to say that modern orthodoxy is apikorsus?”
I don’t think so; and that’s why I was one of the first to challenge this post.
The Litvishe Kiryas Yoelite –
All I can tell you is you’re wasting your breath, because you see clearly from YeshivaRodefKesef’s post that they are in denial!
2scents -“Health, Why is it that you, one that on a consistent bases covers up what your occupation is (however uses is to put others down) keeps on asking me what mine is.”
I don’t know why you have trouble comprehending certain simple concepts. I cover up my career for personal reasons. If for some reason telling us who you volly for is too revealing of personal info – then say so. It’s not tit for tat. It has nothing to with what I reveal to the public. And I never knew volunteering was an occupation. The way you respond to posts is revealing to me about your maturity. It sounds very teenageish.
“Either way, I have not twisted your post (I will comment that you have3 constantly done so to my posts, besides trying to put me down, however I ignored it, since I thought that it makes you feel better).”
You have because you posted this:
“Health, Interesting, you don’t know if abuse exists”
I never said that I don’t know. You put words into my mouth, so this is twisting my posts.
“You comment and rant as if your in the know, However in the are that I am, there is no abuse.
(when I say no, I dont mean absolute, rather that it does not occur often, rather it is extremely rare).”
Ok, so what occurs in the Monsey area occurs all over? Where did anybody post that in Monsey -Hatzolah abuse occurs quite often?
This topic was in general – so how could you come and defend the Org. when you are not familiar with what occurs in different areas?
MorahRach -“That’s not what crying wolf means..”
Yes, it does. Complaining about a prob that doesn’t exist.
“Anyway, I am not calling everyone out but there is a certain tone in this thread, and hundreds of others, that say the same thing. Don’t tell me/us not to overreact and get so defensive. Some, not all, of the things said in this thread were very hurtful and offensive, if you don’t want people to cry foul then don’t write it.”
I already posted above: “Exactly and we will continue to post Halacha here whether some types of Jews are offended.”
I will not stop posting, even if Halacha is Not PC and seems to be “hurtful and offensive”!
2scents – “and yes, I am a volunteer,”
Hatzolah or Spring Hill?
“Health, Interesting, you don’t know if abuse exists or if its rare yet you know that hatzoah is in denial.”
You lose any Neemanous when you twist people’s posts around. I said abuse exists, just don’t know if it’s rare or not.
I said two possible reasons why the Org. doesn’t put an end to this practice – “most are in denial or don’t care that this goes on.” So I said one or the other, not that I know for sure that they are in denial.
MorahRach -“In what sense was I crying wolf?”
This is crying Wolf – attributing one guy’s comments to the rest of us:
“I think it has finally happened. This is the most offensive thread I have ever seen. No wonder why so many people go OTD. Calling MO people apikorus?”
MorahRach -“If a person is raised with almost no affiliation, save those trips to “temple” on the high holidays with their parents, HOW do they know better? If someone is raised like that, and then the hand that reaches out to them and helps them embrace Judaism is in fact Modern Orthodox, how I ask do they know better then to associate with that sect? No one here is arguing what is technically right and wrong. I for one wasn’t.”
Yes, MO is better than totally Frei.
“What upset me is the dismissal of these so called apikorsus Jews that you don’t deem worthy of a handshake. When Hashem looks at his beautiful world full of his own children, and he sees one guy raised in a frum household, grown up stayed frum and raised a frum family, then sees another guy who was raised with zero affiliation and commitment to Torah, but somehow got involved with MO and keeps kashrus, shabbos, TaHa, but wears jeans and watches tv etc, does he love one more? I apologize for the run on sentence, I am just trying to get my point across before I go to sleep. I hope feif un does not leave the CR, I don’t want to either, people just need to be more sensitive to their fellow yidden. I know that I am not the only one in here from a modern background who became frummer. I also know that I am not the only one who is not wiring off my parents as worthless Jews who don’t know how to keep a mitzvah.”
This is the problem here. You took one guy’s post and attributed it to the rest of us. And you aren’t the only one. Why get on the defensive? I, even though I’m a Yeshivish FFB, called him out for that comment. So maybe one person or a few have to be more sensitive, by & large, I think most posters here are sensitive.
I will not apologize for any comments I made concerning Halacha, nor will I feel guilty for some poster’s ridiculous comments.
There are Halachos of Negia and Tzinus, and if these are lacking in some parts of the MO community, then these have to be addressed. Crying Wolf doesn’t change the reality!
GeshmakMan -“Health – it’s not the “frum” world’s job to speak the “truth”. Even if it was, there are ways to do so.”
I’m sorry, we have every right to quote Torah here, whether it’s PC or not.
“Just imagine if a Jew regardless of affiliation came on this website and read the CR, he’d probably run to the nearest church and baptize himself.”
Like I posted, it’s not our job here in the CR to sugar coat everything.
“Now you might tell me that posting here is “different” but in the “True Frum” world you speak of, we are supposed to act the same way in private as we do in public. Hashem is always watching us, whether it’s via blogging or anywhere else.”
Exactly and we will continue to post Halacha here whether some types of Jews are offended.
“A) Why don’t you start for us and define the word “Frum””
It’s very sad that you don’t know the definition.
“B) Your “truth” is most probably your opinion”
Some people post opinion here. When I said Truth -I was talking when people post Torah!
“C) The Modern Orthodoxy this article is discussing, clearly isn’t the Modern Orthodoxy that was drawn up and envisioned by Rav Soloveitchik z’tl many years ago. The people off the Derech in this article are simply “modern”, they have very little Orthodoxy in their life.
The fact that they buy Challas for Shabbos or sit in the back of Shul on Shabbos and talk does not make them Orthodox nor does it reflect on the “Torah U Madda” Values that many Modern Orthodox Jews take very seriously and live by.
For some clown to come here and blog that MO is apikorsus,takes a lot of nerve, reflects complete ignorance and is probably violating a few Issurim on the way as well.”
Therefore?!?!
“I can say this much for sure – a Modern Orthodox person is not wasting his time with pure Batala in the CR!”
This is an absolute lie. There are many MO posters here!
Working on it -“Health – FYI, calling MO “apikorsus” is not speaking any sort of truth.”
Who said e/o here only speaks the truth? I was talking about when they quote different Shittas.
dolphina -“My personal observance and background aside”
Before you come and start criticizing e/o here, how about telling us about your observance? Are you a Jew in heart only? Do you keep Shabbos and/or Kashrus? Did you go OTD and who do you blame for that -all of us? I got news for you, it’s not Frum people’s job to make everybody Frum, but it is their job to speak the truth. So if the poster posts the truth and for whatever reason this ruffles someone’s feathers – well too bad.
This doesn’t mean that if a guy is in Kiruv he shouldn’t have any sensitivity, but posting here isn’t the same thing.
OOmis -We down on this earth – meaning the Bais Din don’t kill for a Non-married woman even if she is a Niddah. Kareis is a punishment from Hashem. But we punish him down here with forcing him to marry her, amongst other punishments. Yeihareig v’al yaavor, includes Aveiros of Kareis, as far as I know.
The world can’t be billions of years old because the Gemmora (I think) says the world is for 6 days of Hashem which is 1 day equals 1000 years. So if we are in the 6th day, which is after Masei Brashis then even if you count the previous days as each a thousand years, you still would only get 7 thousand years + the 5,000+ that we are in now.
chassidishY.U.type -“Modern Orthodoxy is apikorsus.”
Prove it! And btw, why did you go to YU -it’s MO?
Btw, I’m not MO, nor did I learn in any MO Yeshiva/school.
chassidishY.U.type -“I would not marry a divorcee if I was single.”
I can understand this.
“Too risky. You’ll never get the whole story.”
Yes, it’s risky, but so is going into any marriage.
By even some regular people, you don’t always get the whole story. A lot of people, even non-previous married, don’t give out the whole truth and are deceptive.
I, as a divorced guy would tell my date the whole truth, but not necessarily on the first few dates.
The Litvishe Kiryas Yoelite -I honestly don’t know if it is rare or not, but one thing I can tell you is that this Hatzolah Org. is in denial that this exists; besides for a few members admitting it, most are in denial or don’t care that this goes on.
sushee – Obviously divorced people in our society are not on equal footing as non-divorced. At a certain age both genders should consider it. At younger ages there are cases of where people have done it, but they found out the person’s Maalos outweighed the Chesronos!
42 – I don’t like the Yanks, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call them wicked!
vochindik -“As far as Maris Ayin, these guys going to this waterfront treif restaurant is no different than if you saw a Yid sitting down in McDonald’s drinking soda.
There is no difference between this restaurant and a McDoanld’s.
Just because a viewer should be dan lkaf zchus, does not excuse the party from maris ayin. Otherwise you could say there is no such thing as MA (obviously incorrect) since everyone should always be DLZ.”
You are very mistaken. While going into a McDonalds can possibly be Maris Ayin and shouldn’t be done without good reason, this place is not at all similar. Many people come to this place for the view. So it’s not just a restaurant, it’s also a tourist attraction. Therefore Maris Ayin wouldn’t apply.
uneeq – I agree with you and I posted almost the same as you on another Frum website.
Wolf -“a. They are too old. Carbon dating doesn’t work for objects that are millions of years old.”
Who says they are millions of years old? I think that they were only here since the begining of creation – a few thousand years.
“b. It only works on organic materials. Fossils (which are all that remain of dinosaurs) are not organic.”
I’ll grant you this point, but this doesn’t explain why fossils are inorganic instead of organic.
So in order to explain why they are inorganic you have to come onto this – “gotbeer – The Maharal writes in Parshas Beraishis or Noach that with the temperature of the water heat cooking the bones and earth, it throws off the the calculation of fossils.”
This changed the Metzious of the bones into inorganic material.
zahavasdad -“The idea that the Dinosaurs died in the Mabul comes from evangelical christians”
And who says they’re wrong? It would explain why they aren’t roaming around anymore.
2scents -“Interesting that you should be asking a personal question after hiding your medical occupation and degree.”
I did Not ask any personal question. You don’t read the question well. Here it is again:
“You said you aren’t a member of Hatzolah, so why the relentless defense of them?”
You previously posted that you don’t belong to them. I never asked you whether you’re a member or not.
“i will not hide the fact that there are bad people, however the majority of people that volunteer are responsible.
I am not hiding the fact there is abuse, however keep in mind that its a normal thing for members to get canceled or the call gets downgraded.”
Only in your last two posts did you finally admit that there is abuse. While you keep saying that maybe these calls are real and the anger is unjustified, you ignore the instances of abuse in your posts where the anger is justified.
2scents -“There are no perks.”
Maybe not officially, but some seem take perks that they aren’t allowed to.
“I cannot understand how people are jealous of volunteers who respond without prior notice, they give up their schedule to help the community.”
You said you aren’t a member of Hatzolah, so why the relentless defense of them?
The fact is the people posting here aren’t jealous, they are angry. Do you know the difference?
They are angry about some members abuses. While I’m sure most members have joined for the right reasons and never abuse the system, there are some that haven’t and do abuse.
Why do you seem to be in denial about this?
mommamia22 -“Men who withhold money to get what they want.”
This I can see as a grounds for divorce, but I still think that therapy should be tried first.
“Men who work for years on end in dead end jobs that don’t bring home sufficient income to cover basic needs despite the wife working also. Men who independently choose to stay in their beloved carreer because they’re convinced that despite a decade or more of struggle and tears that their next dollar is just around the corner.”
Now this is not so clear cut. Is the man refusing to accept a better job? Perhaps he feels if he quits this one to look for another, he won’t find another one at all. And to look for another job while doing this one might be too difficult for him. This has to be judged up, each case individualy, by Marital Therapists. For any woman to declare, off the bat, without the therapist’s approval, that she has to divorce him, is both foolish and immature!
Here We Go Again – There is nothing wrong with perks, but these perks, that we are talking about, are illegal and dangerous!
42 – I predicted they would win today and said the Yanks would win one game and that was Wed. game. But yesterday’s game was rained out -so they didn’t win or lose.
Serves them right for what they did to those Birds/O’s. It was payback time.