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GAW -“Those who practice that religion agree that the religion must be saved at all costs.”
You remind me of the Baal Hagada with your “Those”. Lochem V’lo Lo. And the Baal Hagada says since you took yourself out of the Klal – you are a Kofer B’Ikkar!
ROB -“health- why should the rest of the population be exempt from taxation All I said was that -if you’d stop the money, 90% of avreichim would leave kollel. Check The US- there are plenty of kolellim but the vast majority of chareidim have jobs- thank G-D!”
You’re talking to the wrong guy. I never posted that.
Perhaps a senior moment?
2scents –
I did some research for you. The course is given in Rockland Community College in Suffern, NY. Nyack Hospital is one of a few places for the clinicals – there are others. I don’t know if you are required to do the other credits for the program beforehand or not. But you don’t have much time. I got this off their website – SUNY Rockland CC:
“ALL PROSPECTIVE PARAMEDIC CANDIDATES MUST COMPLETE THE APPLICATION PROCESS BY 08/02/2012”
“Department Chair:
Peter Andryuk
Office Location:
Academic I, Room 1205
Phone Number:
845-574-4584″
Contact them and fill out their app ASAP, (don’t forget about the fee), if you want to be in the Medic course. I’d go down there and do everything at the same time.
bpt -“With all due respect to the gedolim that are against the draft, are there no gedolim that are in support of it?”
Almost all are against. So the Halacha is after the Rov.
“And we wonder why the chilonim think of us the way they do.”
Yes, we should care what the Chilonim think, just not when their beliefs contradict our Torah.
To all who think that Hashem doesn’t directly control wars -I’ll bring some proofs.
I’m not even going to talk about the six-day war.
Let’s talk about more recent conflicts.
How about the First Gulf war? Why did Pres. Bush stop from going into Bahgdad? His decision cost many lives to be lost later on. His General said to proceed to conquer the country and he didn’t listen. (Perhaps) this was Hashem’s decision – so the Pres did something against common sense.
Lebanon war: Israel could have easily taken it over, but instead retreated and abandoned their long time allies -the Xians for no reason. They constantly have problems with that front. Again a country doing something against common sense. Why?
Then Israel did it again when they went into Gaza -they just left. Why? Not a drop of common sense.
If anyone doesn’t see the Yad Hashem in all these instances -it’s because he/she is living with their head in the ground, like the ostriches.
Sam2 -“Health: First of all, if you’re going to make a Passuk into a rallying cry, get it right.”
Can’t come up with anything better to defend the Zionists? You got my drift, whether I’m quoting it exactly or not.
“Second of all, learn some Tanach. When there was a real state of war, the answer wasn’t to sit everyone down in a Beis Medrash. We davened and then we prepared to fight.”
Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said to dismantle the army. I said they don’t need a big one and during a war they need to add more learners, not more fighters. So since it’s my “rallying cry”, you don’t believe in it, correct? You think the bigger the army – the better?
YW fan -“Health, this isn’t about sponsoring. It’s about recruiting people to the team!”
How could you recruit a bunch of couch potatos to the team? Is it a race around the block?
ItcheSrulik -“Health, choppy, et al: Why do you pretend that the charedim are “doing more for the state” by learning? They are not learning as a zechus for the state. They are not davening as a zechus for the state.”
It’s a Zecus for e/o, no matter why they are doing it. Did you ever hear of the Annay Hakovod?
“Health, you in particular have called for the murder of all Jews outside your little collection of sects multiple times on this forum.”
Stop lying. I never called on the murder of anyone. It’s a shame you’re so ignorant. Did you ever have a Frum Jewish education?
I just repeated what the Torah says. The Torah says Reshayim should be destroyed and it lists what a Rosho is. The Torah also talks about people who believe in “Koach V’ozem Yodi”.
I never said every Freye Yid is a Rosho. Some are Tinuk Shenishbas, but definitely not all.
lesschumras -“Are you saying that every chaired learns?”
Are you saying every Chiloni is in the army?
“If you want to treat their efforts the same then the cbaredim should be subject to the same restrictions. If the chilonim can’t go home each evening or take days off whenever they want, neither should the Chareidim.”
More distortion of the facts. Army guys don’t go into the barracks at nite to sleep? So the yeshiva guys also go to the dorm to sleep. Army guys are always on the road going home for the weekends and most of them are hitching. Yeshiva guys it depends on the Yeshiva. The ones where Shabbos is part of the Yeshiva, they get off on certain Shabbosim, not everyone.
“Heath, Israel is not in a response state of war?”
It’s not. It might be close, but it’s not. Even if it was, you don’t need a draft. If there is a war, you need more people learning. Numbers in the army is irrevelant, unless you believe in “Koach V’ozem Yodi”!
tahini -“This debate is nothing to do with religion and simply is politics, with different groups desiring not to ” dilute” their identity or re-examine their attitudes, something we have always previously done!”
Don’t try to twist and distort the facts. It has everything to do with religion.
“My sons have served in the Israeli armed forces and have never felt compromised in religious terms, what they have felt,”
Either they got lucky or they have different religious standards than the rest of us.
“Those values have less to do with Torah and more to do with cultural affiliation and sectarianism.”
Again more distortion.
“Ask foreign yeshiva bachurim in EY how many times they have sought the help of Israeli armed forces or emergency services as one of their tiyulim has gone wrong. The answer is plenty, as ill experienced sheltered young men have strayed onto dangerous territory or encountered volatile situations. They do not just sit and learn Torah when in danger, they call for help, Hashem gives us free will and the power to learn, fight and work.”
So what? You mean gov. services are only for the Chilonim and not for the Charedim?
“Why are people focusing on isolated stories that certain groups exaggerate to promote the status quo.”
Because these are now the rules & regs of the Israeli army!
“Have any of you been in a life or death situation, understood what pikuach nefesh actually means when dealing with warfare?”
What does this have to do with anything?
“The USA like the UK is blessed to have no need for national conscription and has a fine professional army, Israel’s position is very different.”
No, it’s not!
“It really is grotesque to read of how fighting in the IDF or learning Torah are described as two separate entities, deliberately ignoring and besmirching the thousands of observant men in the armed forces who do both.”
Yes, most Gedolim hold it’s two separate entities, in spite of your opinion to the contrary.
Yenta -“the course is 2 days, 5 hrs each day. its being offered through the hospital connected to my (former) nursing school. they are covering most of the fees, we only need to pay part of it. I reviewed basic Ekg’s and will go over the meds (epi, lidocaine, MgSO4, atropine, nitro etc.)
I don’t know who is teaching the course, i just know where it is happening. the previous group who took it most likely had a dif instructor.”
I don’t know the purpose of your post. Am I supposed to try and figure out from it whether it will be hard or not?
I’m not a mind reader. But even the easiest course -you are expected to memorize the protocols and repeat them with dosages.
Here is a sample algorithm for Cardiac Arrest with V.Fib/V.Tach – that I got off some ACLS website:
“BLS Call for help, CPR, O2, Shock, 5 cycles CPR, Shock, CPR Epinephine 1mg IV/IO repeat every 3-5 min or may give Vasopressin 40 U (replaces 1st or 2nd dose of Epi) 5 cycles CPR, Shock, CPR (Antiarrhythmics during, before or after CPR) Amniodarone 300 mg IV/IO then 150 mg or Lidocaine 1-1.5 mg 1st then, 0.5 mg- 0.75 mg up to 3 mg/kg Maybe Magnesium 1-2 gm IV/IO torsades; 5 cycles CPR.”
far east -“IN case your a little uninformed on the relative population sizes of America and Israel theres a huge difference. Percentage wise Israel needs a much higher percentage of soldiers, thus they have a draft.”
Well my point is over and over -they don’t need a draft. They aren’t even offically at war. A volunteer and a paid army is sufficient. Stop with this nonsense of draft. The Freye are just jealous of the Frumme and that’s why they are screaming foul.
They need to get a life; instead of attacking the Charedim at every opportunity. If Ch’vs they manage to force most of the Charedim into the army – ch’vs then a war breaks out – who will protect the Jews in Israel if you don’t have people sitting and learning?
Why don’t you learn the Torah and see what it says about Koach V’ozem Yodi? Thinking “Might is Right” and you must have a big army is exactly the definition of “Koach V’ozem Yodi”!
42 – Everybody would rather sponsor a CR member more than anyone else because we all are a bunch of (fat) lazy, couch potatos sitting in front of our computers all the time. Most of us couldn’t probably make it around the block in a race.
Yenta -“we did not receive books/dvd’s before hand;”
I wouldn’t worry that much. Most of them are jokes. Take ACLS for example, it’s usually a two-day course. The first day is lecture -the second is testing. If you end up in a Real course, you can tell by the attitude of the instructors, you will have to cram the night after the lectures/the nite before the exams, reading and memorizing everything, in order to pass. It’s easy to find out if it’s a real course by asking those who have taken it, where you are taking it, in the past. If you find out that your course is an exception and you’re going to be grilled, get ahold of the materials beforehand and start studying. You can buy ACLS review books in the bookstore or you can search for it online.
When the AHA first comes out with their revisions, before they make it into a book, they write it in Currents. I think for a short period of time, they allow you to download it. I downloaded it at the time, but by now they don’t allow it anymore, I think. But you can try to get it anyway by searching their site, perhaps there is a way. Also, for the course, they used to give you the whole book included in the course price. Nowadays, they give you a tiny pamphlet book with a DVD.
If you get a Real Course that tests real hard, the materials you get won’t be enough to pass. You’ll need the whole AHA book or a good review book.
The best thing is to find out beforehand by asking those that took it it your place already. If for some reason it’s a tough course (Not likely), get ahold of the materials ASAP.
Yenta -“any advice for an ACLS and PALS course? taking them next week. thanx”
It depends on the course. Some of them are jokes. The others that aren’t, they expect you to have read the books/DVD’s beforehand.
2scents -“a. I don’t think do medic courses, especially part time courses.
b. I would prefer some where in upstate.”
Methodist in Brooklyn & Nyack Hospital in Rockland County give Medic courses.
And no, I never took a medic course in either place.
OOmis -“The need to protect E”Y is one of pikuach nefesh. Kol isha is not 100% clear in all aspects of the issur, and it certainly does not take precedence over human life.”
Since it’s now their policy to force them to listen -you can’t join. That is exactly what Yeehoreg V’al Yavor means -you can’t be Oiver the Issur even when it’s Pickuach Nefesh! Ladies signing is an Abizrayhu of Arayos.
too young for D -“hi sorry dint give good details”
You still haven’t explained anything!
“when she eat she ,she goes up but she comes down 2 3 hours after
i wanted to know how high is normal
my daugher goes to 250 300
we have a pump we use the omnipod and navigater”
This is from the ADA:
“Plasma blood glucose goal range(mg/dl)
A1C (%)
Before meals | Bedtime/overnight
A lower goal (8.0%) is reasonable if it can be achieved without excessive hypoglycemia.”
You didn’t say when you’re testing. The ADA says to test before meals and at bedtime & overnite. So if at these times you’re getting 250/300 – you’re over the limit.
Even if you’ve been testing at the wrong times -you can still find out what her glucose status is by testing her A1c. It shouldn’t be higher than 8.5%. See chart above.
If your kid’s A1c is too high, your Doc can lower this by having the pump give boluses along with basals. He/she might be doing this already. You haven’t said anything about the insulin, besides that she is on a pump.
Either way, first test properly, and if the glucose or A1c is higher than what it’s supposed to be – then see your Pediatric Endo for how to lower it. I hope you have one and don’t use your PCP/Pediatrician for this.
Think first -“I’ve been pulled over and showed the cop my sherrifs “PBA” card, which I got because they sent me a letter saying, “send us twenty bucks and we’ll send u a card (I sent them 20 bucks once and get a updated card every year for a few years now) and he said,” alright, I won’t give u a ticket, just slow down”
This has nothing to do with the PBA card. Some cops are just nice. If you’d apologize and act innocent they wouldn’t give you a ticket either. I’ve been pulled over many times and I hardly ever got a ticket.
I’ve been in locker rooms with cops and this is one of the topics they talk about. One cop said -“I take the PBA card and rip it up and shove it somewhere (I’ll leave out his exact word) and then give him a ticket.
So a PBA card means nothing to most cops. And if they haven’t done their quota -you definitely are getting a ticket.
What does work is saying when he approaches the car and says “Do you know you were doing 75 in a 55 mile zone?” You answer -“No, I didn’t. I’m so sorry. I never speed -I just didn’t realize how fast I was going. I haven’t got a ticket in umpteen years. (however years was the last one) Or say “I’ve only gotten one ticket in 20 years of driving.” Then add -“I’m always a very careful driver”. Just don’t lie about when the last time you got a ticket. This is more likely to get you a “warning” than any PBA card.
far east -“This seems like a no bashing on zionists and MO for no reason”
You didn’t answer my other question. Do you or did you join or belong to the US Armed Forces?
oomis1105 -“The only way to make the army more “pure” is for pure people to join it en masse and lead by example.”
This is a nice idea for Utopia. But the reality is that the Halacha forbids a Frum Jew from joining because they force you to listen to Kol Isha. Even many MO Rabbis said this is Ossur.
Do you know better than them?
“Learning unfortunately did not save the boys who were slaughtered a few years ago in their Yeshivah. Had those bochurim all been trained militarily, perhaps the story would have had a happier outcome. At the very least, they would not have been sitting ducks. There is no dishonor in knowing how (and being prepared) to defend oneself and one’s country. Quite the contrary.”
What? You think the only way to defend yourself is “every Jew with a .22”? There are no other ways to have security? How about a locked door? How about a security camera & s/o has to buzz you in? How about hiring armed security guards? But go ahead Politicize a Tragedy!
simcha613 -“And if our nation needs soldiers, and it’s an individual’s choice to choose either the army or the Beis Medrash, where will our nation get soldiers?”
I answered this in the other topic. A volunteer with a paid army is more than enough. You don’t need a draft. See the topic there before posting.
Song of Blessing -“I was just wondering why they don’t.”
BECAUSE THAT’S NOT THEIR JOB!
“There are..
And who do people rely on for the majority of pre-marital questions?
Usually kallah and chosson teachers. At least thats what I was told when I had the classes that they’re there to help you prepare for whats ahead.”
This is exactly my point. Either you misconstrued what s/o told you or they are wrong. They teach Halachos, not more. Some might add in advice, but it isn’t any professional advice. That’s the job of your mentors – parents or Mechanchim/Rabbeyim. And if this isn’t adequate – there are Mental Health counselors you can go to.
And no, I’m not a Chosson teacher, nor ever was.
The OP has based his anger against Target based on falsehood. I personally have not jumped on his bandwagon except to say -I dislike in general the store and it’s Ossur to buy the Toeiva products called “Pride”. I have nothing to be Chozer on. But the OP has drawn conclusions on falsehoods and I’m posting this article from Aol news to show the Truth:
“Frank Ocean’s album may currently be the most buzzed about disc in music, but Target isn’t interested. Billboard reports the discount retail giant announced it will not sell Channel Orange, claiming the decision was a reaction to iTunes’ one-week exclusive. Many are wondering, however, if the move was actually inspired by the fact that Ocean recently came out.
Ocean’s first studio album hit iTunes after the R&B singer’s surprise appearance on Tuesday’s “Late Night With Jimmy Fallon,” a full week before previously planned. Of course, this meant that brick and mortar retailers would lose out on that first week’s sales.
The brand has a complicated history with the LGBT community. Target first faced a strong backlash after donating $150,000 to MN Forward, a group that was backing Tom Emmer’s gubernatorial bid in Minnesota. Emmer was known for being especially conservative and not supporting equal rights for LGBT citizens. At the time, Target Corp.’s CEO Gregg Steinhafel said the company was merely championing a candidate who would be an advocate for its business interests. He later apologized.
Though the brand recently printed a run of shirts in celebration of Gay Pride Week, critics took issue with the fact that the shirts were only available online (not in stores). That fact struck some as a half-hearted attempt at erasing past offenses, but it should be noted that the company donated a portion of proceeds from the shirts to the Family Equality Council, an LGBT advocacy group.”
So we see that they are really against Toeiva and they did the shirt business to appease the criticism. They should be applauded for standing up against Toeiva, not criticized about their “Pride” shirts.
Btw, I still don’t like their store.
simcha -“Would you choose army or kollel?”
This question has no basis in reality. It’s just a question to get e/o goats here in the CR due to the political fight in Israel.
The zionists here are going to be pro-army and the Charedim aren’t.
E/o in Israel does how they were raised. Charedim aren’t raised with this option. While MO and Chilonim are. So most MO and Chilonim do go and most Charedim won’t go.
I want to point out the hypocrisy of some of the posters here. Most of the Zionists scream that all Israelis have to serve, but most of these posters are Americans. So every country needs an army including the US and Israel, esp. in times of war. The US is at war and Israel even though technically they aren’t but it’s just like they are. So why don’t these American Zionist Posters join the US Armed forces? If it’s the right thing to do then it shouldn’t matter if they draft or not. The only ones that I know in the US armed forces are Charedim. At least two from Lakewood alone. How many MO have joined up? How come you haven’t?
Yenta -“k i’ve got a question for the dudes. what do guys have against taking showers regularly?”
What does regularly mean? Once this is defined -then the men here can say -I do or I don’t.
Avi K- “to expect Israel to make due with a volunteer army due to its security situation and small population relative to its enemies. The taxes required to attract people, especially the type of technosavvy people most needed, would break the public.”
Again you write your theories as fact. They aren’t fact and they aren’t reasonable. They already pay many members of the army. Yes, they can have a paid and a volunteer army to serve Israel. Saying it’s financially unattainable is gibberish. Obviously you know nothing about armies. Saying you need to hire only “technosavvy” people is ridiculous. Yes, you have to have these, but does any foot soldier or any basic infantrymen have to be like this? Of course not. The biggest proof is the US army. If every enlisted guy had to be “technosavvy”, they would have lost every war. Most enlisted personel probably have either a below avg. or avg. IQ.
“As for guys who are not learning as they should, they are stealing from the public which supports them amd shirking their duty. This must stop.”
Whether it should stop or not is not your or the Israeli gov. concern. If you feel the RY or the admin. of a Yeshiva is not dealing properly with this problem, then by all means don’t donate to them.
This is also not a govs.’ concern, unless before they give money to any school they examine if everybody is learning the way they are supposed to. There are some public schools in the US that have horrible basic knowledge rates. Even in top colleges -do you really think e/o learns the way they are supposed to?
The fact that you keep pointing this out about Yeshivos and that you don’t mention this about other schools shows your bias against Charedim!
zahavasdad -“Also there is no constitution in Israel”
Exactly! So what legal right did the Israeli Supreme Court have in throwing out the Tal law? None whatsoever! There is No constitution and there is No Bill of Rights – so there was nothing wrong with the Tal law. No laws in that country have to apply equally to every citizen. This is just the Supreme Court applying their power to discriminate against the Charedim.
Since most of the Chilonim hate the Frumme, they jumped on this Supreme Court decision, instead of ignoring it and impeaching the Justices for making an improper decision.
Zdad -“But there is a solution I think agrees with everyone , Someone said make it a positive to join, how about make it a negative not to serve.
The Charedi Gedoilim have said its a Shaas Shmad not to serve, but they didnt say the government had to give Benefits. Simple only give social benefits to those who serve. The charedi population is poor, they need those benefits or they will starve.”
Actually the Israeli gov. should pay Kollel guys as much as they pay their Generals. They deserve much more than social benefits.
Their learning is keeping the nation safe as much, if not more, than any General.
Song of Blessing -“As far as blame… OMG.. why? If you’re looking to blame someone you’re surely the one at fault. Look at YOURSELF. If you work one yourself then it doesn’t matter who what when where how? If you feel you can’t work on yourself in your marriage – then you have a problem. Seek HELP not BLAME!”
Hypocrisy at its’ finest. You can’t blame the spouse, but you can blame a third party, like the teachers:
“One thing I don’t get is why the kallah/chosson teachers dont teach more PRACTICAL things during lessons. YES I know how important niddah is – but really…”
What happenned to “Seek HELP not BLAME”? Yes, it’s not these people’s job to teach you about marriage. If you didn’t get this from your parents or Mechanchim/Rabbeyim, there are mental health professionals that you can go to – even before marriage.
So Song of Blessing – “Look at YOURSELF. If you work on yourself then it doesn’t matter who what when where how? If you feel you can’t work on yourself in your marriage – then you have a problem.”
Avi K -“Health, the evil kings did far worse things than any Israeli PM but they had the din of kings.”
That’s exactly the point. It’s not whether which leadership is more evil, it’s the fact like you said -they had the Din of Kings.
The State of Israel has no Din of Anything!
“Somebody has to do it.”
Yes, they should have volunteers and paid personel, No draft.
“Now that the Chareidim are becoming so large they will also have to take some part. This is also for their own good as it is manifest that only a small portion are built for all-day life-long learning. The result of the current system is that many guys get into trouble or just walk about aimlessly (check out Geula and Mea Shearim during seder hours) to the detriment of the Cahreidi public.”
This point has nothing to do with the army. If a Rosh Yeshiva feels s/o is Not learning the way he should be, then that’s his responsibility to either get him to or remove him. It’s not the Israeli gov’s business. By and far most are learning the way they should be, in spite of your Motzay Shem Ra!
What you don’t understand is that the Yeshiva guys are doing their part. Perhaps you didn’t have a religious education -so you think that they aren’t?!?
Like Rav Shach zt’l told s/o -“The war in Israel is fought on two fronts – the actual war zone & the Bais Medrash!”
yichusdik -“The purpose of the land was to serve as a yerusha for b’nei Avrohom, Yitzchok and Yaakov. Yaakov Ovinu had a fine parnossah by Lovon. but he left his fine parnossoh to take his inheritance. Here endeth lesson one.”
Yes, we all know it was a Yerusha, but my point was – what is the purpose? They used the land for Parnossa. This ain’t rocket science.
“You are sure? How? from what source? I not only cited the posuk, I also cited the Kesef Mishna on defending Jews being a milchemes chovah.
of the world: they do not conduct warfare like the rest of Israel, nor do they receive a portion [of the land]
on their behalf, as it says, “I am Your share and Your portion.”We are talking about all Jews, not specifically Leviim. Did I miss the announcement? Did all of us suddenly become honorary leviim?”
Now you’re just engaging in mind-playing by not quoting the next Rambam in 13:13 -“And not just Shevet Levi can do this -anybody in the world can be just like them…”
From this Rambam we learn that people can sit and learn Torah all day and are exempt from what other Jews have to do.
So therefore the tribes who wanted a Nachla had responsibilities that Levi didn’t have. The tribes who wanted a Nachla over the Jordan river, didn’t want to be like Shevet Levi -that’s why they asked for a Nachla. They didn’t want to learn all day, but they wanted to work. So Moshe Rabbeynu said just because your Nachla will be Ever L’Yardain -you still have to help the rest of Klal Yisroel fight.
getzel 1 -“It seems that this past June, Zicam pulled the swabs for adults and children off the shelf but not the nasal gel.”
And here I thought you were a guy.
Yes, the nasal gel should have been removed.
“And if you have Zicam in your medicine cabinet–THROW IT AWAY!”
Actually, Zicam is one of the few products out there that work for a cold. The basic ingredient is zinc. Their products or any Zinc should Never be put in the nose. But any of their oral products or any Zinc products help with viruses when taken orally.
yichusdik -“If you assume that HKBH wants Torah to defend am Yisroel in every instance, why on earth would Moshe Rabeinu have to demand that Reuven Gad and chatzi Menashe would have to cross and fight, even during a time of miraculous conquest and nisim giluyim? Why didn’t Moshe ask them to sit down in a beis medresh?”
Ya’see your problem (and others) is – you so want to prove that the Zionists are right that you take texts out of context for your so-called proofs!
Let me give you a history lesson. In those times, there was the Bnei Levi whose job was to be -only to serve Hashem, this just wasn’t Avodah, but also learning of the Torah. The others in Klal Yisroel were getting a Nachla in EY. What was the purpose of this land? They were going to use this land for their Parnassa.
Now came along 2 other tribes & a half of one tribe and asked Moshe Rabbeynu for their Nachla over the Jordan river. Moshe Rabbeynu obviously with Nevuah, didn’t have a problem with this – as long as this Didn’t prevent them from doing what the rest of the Jews had to do -namely conquering the land of EY.
Had they wanted in life to just serve Hashem all day -I’m sure they wouldn’t have had to go to the army. The Rambam says this clearly -“Anybody in Klal Yisroel who wants to be like Shevet Levi can…” I’m sure the Rambam wasn’t just talking about from his time on, but from the time of Kabbolas Matan Torah!
yekke -“Israel is the only democratic country with conscription. Israel is the only country which needs conscription.”
No, they don’t – they can hire an army, like one Frum member of the Knesset suggested.
And if you believe the more the better – might makes right -then this is the definition of “Koach V’ozem Yodi etc.” And you know what the Torah says about this?!?!
Avi K -“As for establishing a state, on the contrary, it is an absolute obligation as stated explicitly by Ramban in his Sefer HaMitzvot (and some say Rambam does not mention it because it is included in other mitzvot or basic to the Tora as he explains in the Shorashim).”
This Din would be for a Medina and a Jewish army run acc. to the Torah. This isn’t the State of Israel, which have neither.
yekke- “[Peer pressure is NOT a good reason]…”
It might not be a GOOD reason, but that’s why they do it.
Sam2 -“42: What’s that from? It’s a good Sikkum but I don’t like the part in there about women not fasting not being done without direction of a Rav. It ignores the fact that there is a very strong Minhag that is still prevalent in many places for women not to fast the minor fasts. It might be against the Shulchan Aruch, but this Minhag is older than that and therefore isn’t overriden by the SH”A.”
Again you repeat the same thing you wrote above.
Do you have any proof that this was a real Minhag, instead of a Minhag Shtus?
Also, do you have any proof that this “Minhag” preceded the S’A?
far east -“Just trying to follow the halachas of dinah dmalchusah dinah”
You missed my whole point. I have nothing against any Jew who wants to pay taxes. I personally have paid taxes, but I’ve found many posters here who constantly berate those that don’t and don’t believe there is any other Halachic way.
So I posted 2 Halachic reasons and one of them questions if indeed this is the Din of the Malchus (federal law) to pay taxes.
artchill -“The Court decides what is in the best interest of the child. Who can give the child the most attention and best care.
In the past, women were given primary custody because they were ‘stay-at-home-moms’, while men slaved at work. The dynamics have changed nowadays with many women working outside the home. This has led to 50/50 custody. During this economic recession, more men are ‘stay-at-home-dads’, while the women slave at work to support the family. As a result, the trend of primary custody to
dads is picking up.”
This is a nice PC piece, but in reality doesn’t exist. In NY and NJ States almost all cases of residential primary custody is given to the mother. If this exists in any state please cite the Statistics. I don’t believe you without proof!
far east -“i was being sarcastic. But i guess you really dont believe in taxes lol”
I already said you were. But some of us are actually Torah Jews before we are Americana Goyim. LOL!
Avi K -“Mamin, I come from EY but because of the Romans I spent 33-1/2 in NY.”
Wow, so it was You who discovered America, not Columbus.
You must be sooooo old to have lived in the time of the Romans.
ohr chodesh -“All things being equal, under a normal situation,”
This is a Gemora Sevara. Nothing in this country is equal and nothing in our Court System is Normal!
Mod -“edited. Yitamu chataim, vlo chot’im”
Eh, what do you do with the end of the Possuk -“Ooreshayim Od Ainum?” And how about “Vshem Reshayim Yirkav?”
And btw, do you only have 17 paragraphs in your Amida instead of Shmoneh Esreh? You must skip V’lamalshenim!
Avi K – And I find it interesting how you Krummed up a Gemara.
The Gemara isn’t talking about Reshayim.
How come you learn Gemora -it’s in Aramaic, NOT Ivrit?
far east -“I dont like that America is becoming pro gay…i think im gonna stop paying taxes”
You’re probably being sarcastic, but there are many Halachic reasons you might not have to. Ask your LOR -I don’t give Psokim.
One -it says in SA if they treat Jews differently than Goyim you don’t have to. And IMO they do, but this point I’m not going to discuss now.
My other point is that there is a Shitta out there -that noone is required to pay income tax. The guy has written books and never has paid any tax. He spent a little time in jail -so this might be a good enough reason not to, but as far as Halacha -since this is a valid Shitta amongst Goyim -the Gov. either has to change the law or prove that they are right. I dunno -maybe a VAT tax could be legal or they have to prove in the Supreme Court that this guy is wrong -so far they haven’t. Right now the Halacha wouldn’t require it because Hamotzey M’chaveiro Olav Harayoh.
Avi K -“Health, let the dead language (if it’s a language) rest in pieces (considering all of the different dialects). Speak the language of the Hebrewman, the living language of a living people.”
Avi –
And we will be Zocheh with Moshiach to speak Loshon Kodesh.
edited. Yitamu chataim, vlo chot’im
Englishman – If you live in the US – go back to the UK. Here in the US, not a chance in a million.
The only way possible is that, besides costing you an arm and a leg to do it, you need a good lawyer and a good private eye. Even if she’s nuts, you won’t win. Because your shrink will say she is and her’s will say she isn’t. And vice versa -her shrink will say you’re nuts and your shrink will say you’re not. So the court gives her the kids.
So how is it ever possible? Back to what I was saying – you need the private eye to spy on her and document, like with videos, her behavior. Very few actually will harm their kids -so this documentation you won’t have. The same with any illegal activity. Very few actually break the law. But a lot, not all, will be negligent, ie. leaving small kids alone at nite to go out. This quite often occurs and if you document this, without her knowledge, it’s quite possible you can win custody.
The only other time is when the kids prefer the father over the mother. This is very rare, but it does happen – once in a blue moon.
bh18 -“And another bH, he gives child support to the penny and other than the reuqired hour visit,”
Jeeze, only an hour? What did HE do to only get such a short time?
You don’t have to answer this, if you don’t want to. I get much more time.
“You could read about my younger ones (and the family’s blessings) on page 56 in the latest country yossi magazine.”
Why would I want to? Do I get a prize if I do?
shira -“You have your own trials to deal with (sorry health I don’t mean to be insulting).”
This shows you’re a new poster. I’m not the least bit insulted. E/o is entitled to their opinion. If e/o had the same opinion about everything -this CR wouldn’t exist.
And insults sometimes fly regulary here. And No – I’m not the only poster who puts others down. It can get very heated in the CR!