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And any posek who answered one ended up learning a bit about how telegraphs work in the process. I didn’t say he owns or uses a computer — though I don’t see what would be wrong if he did — I said I would not be surprised if he knew something about them, contrary to what Derech HaMelech said.
Which include the metzius of what he can do and what certain terms mean and what the actions entail. When I ask my Rov a cooking shaila I come with the pertinent information e.g. utensils ben yomo etc. Recently, when I asked him about a particular conference, he asked for information about the speakers. An honest rav will refuse to answer a shaila if he doesn’t know what the questioner is asking.
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There are any number of psukim that tell us exactly what a Jew’s calling is. For the details and practical advice, we have two thousand years of literature.
shlomozalman: If you came up with that based on your personal philosophy and not a quote, then you have *the* Torah Hashkafa right there. (Or at least the Navi Hashkafa 😉 ) The verse is Micha 6:8 if anyone wants to look it up.
You need to know what one can do. I would not eat meat shechted by someone who never heard of a veshet.
Wolf:Don’t argue with historical revisionists. It isn’t worth it.
My frying pan from breakfast.
But if they listen to them it might cause them to become apikorsim through kfira in the RaMBaM’s 14th and 15th ikkarim.
Ani maamin b’emuna shleima that any yeshiva not of the approved type cannot possibly produce any Torah.
Ani maamin b’emuna shleima that any shiur given consistently in one language is kfira and has a din sefer torah shekasvo apikorus.
TMB: Torah haters? Really?! I am offended on behalf of the people who are treated as second class citizens by the learners who they support for no reason other than the fact that they are told that these people are learning Torah.
Derech Hamelech: Then how does he answer shailos relating to e-commerce and intellectual property?
You will also need to invent a dozen new segulos a year.
shlomozalman: If you meant to quote Mica, they’re out of order. It’s be honest, be nice, be modest.
TMB: Pravda? Really? The Jewish Week is not that great a paper, but in comparison to Pravda it has *nothing* on the Israeli Yated.
meshiga: Are you capable of writing in English? If so, rewrite that drivel so people can understand how full of it you are.
I see and talk to these people every day. I do not need to read the sanitized version in some magazine. The only way to raise a generation that cares about God is to show them Jews who live with the name of God in their mouths at all times like we always have.
As a practical step, may I suggest that when there are shmuessen in the yeshiva high schools, let them talk about God instead of about externals like how many hours a fifteen year old clocks in the beis medrash and where he wears his hat.
TheReader: not by the new and improved definition of “frum.”
Yeshivish may be defined by five criteria:
1-Poor English
2-Poor Yiddish
3-Skill at thumb-dreying
4-Ignorance of tanach
5-State of hats (the worse the better)
Thus, instead of having the top 5 yeshivos, we can have a first place in each category:
Poor English: Yeshiva Torah V’yireh d’Satmar, for not speaking English in Yeshiva b’shita.
Poor Yiddish: Yeshiva University, for having students who can speak for an hour or more on one R’ Chaim without using the word “tzushtell” once.
Skill at thumb-dreying: This one doesn’t go to any yeshiva in particular, but to every mesivta bochur who was ever asked a good kasha and tried to dig himself out of a “bor yud tfachim” using only his right thumb.
Ignorance of tanach: Lakewood, for being the alma mater of the one man I ever heard say a “the passuk is in Bava Metzia” and mean it.
Sate of hats: Yeshiva Tomchei Temimim d’Lubavitch, for having a twice-run-over hat as part of their levush.
LET THE BASHING OF WHAT WAS CLEARLY A JOKE … BEGIN!!
TMB: Straw man fallacy.
You haven’t. You have one of the few sensible and original replies other than the yes-no ones.
What does it mean that there was one J? Does it mean that only one person in history ever had that name until the religion started?
Since when do podiums argue? I thought the people *at* the podiums argued. 😉
It seems that you’re viewing schar in olam haba as a form of currency or “points” chas veshalom. You have to remember that ??? ??? ???”? ???? ??”? and He will definitely reward you for trying to help a sick person by davening.
Apparently you’ll be in the company of the mechaber who says to be maavir sedra Friday night. Can I go to hell with you? 😉
Of course, that gemara was written hundreds of years after the books by those who never met him. The gemara was also written in a non-christian country. The amoraim had no interest in some apikores from a time when false messiahs were a dime a dozen. It could have been yeshu, it could have been one of the many people whose (mostly fictional) biographies went into the Christian canon. OTOH it could have been just another apikorus.
goodbye: isn’t it “chisurei” hashas, not chisronos?
No, it’s not just you, but welcome to the internet. This is how forums work.
tokbox.com allows you to set up virtual video conferencing for free. I won’t be able to show up because I’m taking advantage of my college’s winter break to go to yeshiva in person.
so wrong: you have not yet addressed my point.
The second tzad implies that the order is me’akev.
As far as I’m concerned, I’m extremely happy that I learn on Christmas eve. Thanks to that fact I was able to teach an adult his first Mishnah last year, and hear a very interesting chaburah on a ???? ???? this year.
I once heard a very interesting shiur on the topic that explained the din of maavir sedrah from two perspectives; understanding the text, and (slightly al pi sod) reenacting har sinai. According to the first pshat, anything goes which is why you are yotze with Rashi. According to the second pshat, the Targum Onkelos represents the process of Moshe teaching it to the people. Incidentally, that’s why the Shulchan Aruch says a God fearing person will do both; because he’s fulfilling two opinions by doing the extra targum. Don’t take a psak from this summary but its conclusion is fairly obvious.
so wrong: Yet if someone who works for a living and pays 10% or more of his paycheck to support yeshivos and kollelim (while being 100% dan lekaf zechus that everyone there actually learns) dares to object to these people who learn all day demanding luxuries, you and people like you scream about kavod hatorah and say that they deserve only the very best. You can’t have it both ways.
It’s not smart to submit something you posted anonymously online to a print publication because it can lead to all sorts of problems unless you publish your screen name with it.
That being said, it’s a great story. Someone should bump it every couple hours to keep it near the top.
Why not? Especially since shnayim mikra was done chhumash-targum for centuries before Rashi was born. I think the you’re asking if it’s lechatchila to say the targum before the shnayim mikra.
Tutoring, leining, or bechinos come to mind. In the slightly longer run, maybe learn a klei kodesh skill like safrus and make some money checking tefillin. You’re still learning when you do that too.
My father doesn’t celebrate nittle, my grandfather didn’t and my great grandfather didn’t. I happen to be eating by a certain rov this week and we always learn late Friday nights, so I will be learning until chatzos and probably later.
YU has a different dynamic than any yeshiva in Israel, so we can leave it out of the discussion entirely. Shalhavim is an interesting case in its own right which merits a separate discussion.
Brisker: Sorry, thought I explained that. Amaylus literally means hard work or toil. It is much harder for a native English speaker to use a Hebrew Artscroll than an English one. Whether an English speaker should use a Hebrew artscroll for that reason is debatable. I would personally think it’s not real amaylus batorah, but merely making it harder on yourself for no reason, but you can’t deny that the English speaker is being amel more than if he were to learn it in English.
ps: I actually know someone who used a Hebrew artscroll rather than English in Mesivta for that reason. Thank God, he can now learn just fine without one.
Wolf: I know it’s a weighted average, but those are the numbers that have been computed. AFAIK, no one has computed the maximum possible life span of a human being. Don’t we have a phd biostatistician in the forum? Why are we all — including me — shooting our mouths off? Let’s ask charliehall. And yes, it’s bereishis. I didn’t lein that shabbos, so I only remember chasan bereishis from that parsha.
pba: I was being sarcastic, but thanks for admitting you can’t judge avodas Hashem like that. RE the second part, you really don’t know your MO yeshivot, do you? The ones who flip out buy hats, the ones who wear their tzitzis out without hats frummed up before they went to Israel.
BP Totty: Thanks. The last girl I dated did not really answer to that description, though she was close.
real brisker: There is more for a non-native Hebrew speaker there is more amaylus (effort) in learning from the Artscroll Hebrew edition than the English one. Regarding schar, I had to literally LOL when I saw your comment asking why Wolf doesn’t learn for schar. The crux of Chabad’s “thing” with the litvisher is that Lubavitchers believe that it is not only not the highest madrega, but actually *wrong* to do mitzvos for schar. I realize that Wolf is no kind of a Lubavitcher, but it was kind of funny to see a “real brisker” validate the Lubavitcher stereotype of a misnaged.
hudi, I beg you to please think before you write. We get the phrase from a passuk in parshas Noach, 2qwerty already cited it. Also, who are these nameless scientists with their uncited claim? As far as I know, no country in the world has an average life expectancy above 83.
TMB: Proof, please.
real-brisker: amaylus yes, havana lav davka. (How’s that for the shprach?)
Brim down means either you’re very yeshivish, faking it, or just don’t care about pretending to be cool and are wearing your hat like you’re supposed to.
That being said, I have a question for the oylam, especially pba who brought up shidduchim: What about someone who wears colored shirts and no hat even on shabbos, but wears his tzitzis out? How do you judge his avodas Hashem and shidduch prospects?
A related joke:
Why is a FIL called shver and the SIL called eidim?
At the tenaim the FIL promises x years of support. After the wedding he reneges and the SIL takes him to bet din. The FIL says he never promised anything so bet din tells the SIL “SHVER” (swear a shvuas hessiss so you can take the money). The son-in-law answers “I don’t have to. I have EIDIM that he promised me!”
TMB: Almost. I’m averse to watching because I am simply not interested. If someone finds something they think is worth watching gey gezunteheit.
TMB: Really? Do you think I have one?
The problem with New Age kiruv is that it’s a stop-gap measure at most. By definition it borrows from a non-Jewish philosophy that is based solely on being content-free. Eventually the mekurav will look for content and the mekarev had better have something to offer.
so right: Has it occurred to you that it’s possible for a guy to do something — anything at all — for reasons other than sexual gratification?
It’s manners. Besides the fact that yes, a guy is supposed to romance his date, it’s expected as part of common courtesy. Do you hold doors for people in public places? Do you say good morning to your neighbors on the way to work? Do you thank the bus driver if you take a bus somewhere?
Since it’s Jewish culture, not yahadus itself, I only need to say one thing:
We are the only Bronze Age Kingdom still in existence in the 21st century CE. We’ve watched the empires of the world rise from the dustbins of history and return from whence they came. Some of the mighties kings of the ancient world are remembered solely as footnotes to our history. And conventional wisdom makes us out to be a culture of matza balls and blue-haired grandmothers.
TMB: Those of us who are interested in God and His Torah rather than your holier than thou theatrics don’t “yell names at the more observant.” We laugh quietly behind our hands at your performance.
Mods, please don’t delete it this time.
Don’t you know it’s assur for men to know chumash, rt? </sarcasm>