Health
The stats don’t differentiate between outer boroughs & night calls.
They are all inclusive. When I did my Medic training – they were plenty busy. As a matter fact, they did all sort of Shtick to avoid responding. Most days they had more calls than units able to respond to them!

You give me quite an interesting logic toy here. But your argument is actually self-defeating let’s make a simple if than
flowchart if the resources of EMS are structured to reflect the calls the volume of calls coming in based on where they’re coming from then the averages would equal out to the total average for total call if they are not spreading their resources then think for a moment what we have in congested interboroughs you have an overwhelming amount of goals which leads to longer if no response times as you ended your post that sometimes there were too many calls to respond to not a very comforting nor positive result for somebody in Anaheim graduation if you’re in an Outer Borough then according to your logic your EMS workers far fewer cases than the average of 1.6 per week leaving him wolf Ali in adequately prepared your emergency the only way around the unpreparedness would be to say that they are rotating the staff and their positions in that case you would probably end up with the same average being as part-time there in my volume area and part-time there in low-volume area to sum it all up there is no way to have EMS workers getting higher exexperience and sufficient coverage if you accept the total number of calls and the total number of workers as stated in the Wikipedia article unless and I don’t think you were you are claiming that they are either overstating the call volume or on this thing you workers by shifting calls in to high and low zones you are only making the outcome worse for the patient not better

as to the article from Jem yes I would like to know what you recall from that article however just realize that if you saw the article and read the article and are unable to find the article how do you expect somebody who never heard of this publication to go and find one specific article that I never heard of before

health
ky -“Again I think caring any issues on volunteerism is incorrect”

What do you mean by this?!?
I have a feeling that you’re not capable to discuss EMS, which includes Hatzola!

i already fixed it
it was an auto correct supposed to say
“Basing any issues on volunteerism is incorrect.”

why cant i discuss?
as to stats, i posted from wikipedia
averages out to maximum 1.6 per week per person in nyc ems
look it up

Health
Of course I would like to know it
Again I think caring any issues on volunteerism is incorrect

Bk613
You are conflating two points and confusing the issue.
The numbers you give have to do with the fact that nyc ems covers millions of citizens vs hatzolah who is basically only servicing the Jewish population.
Paying them would not change the numbers at all.
You actually made my point.
It’s numbers treated that gives the possibility of experience.
Hatzolah members actually are full time. They just do worthwhile pursuits while not on calls.
As opposed to NYC ems workers who sit around and do nothing because they are getting paid anyway.
When a call comes in they have no incentive to get there nor to get the job done. They are being paid either way. As long as you can’t prove negligence they are fine
Hatzolah members on the other hand
Are motivated by a desire to save a life
Want to take care of the issue properly and quickly. Remember they are giving us their job, voluntarily to do so. That shows dedication, gives motivation and demands proficiency. None of which exists in the NYC ems system.
Just listen with your eyes closed next time you hear a siren.
If it takes more than 3-5 seconds to go down your block it’s not hatzolah.
And let’s not forget the difference between brains and brawn.
Experience may be the greatest teacher, but with brains, your experience can be my teacher

I think this argument is wrong.
The reason a ”professional ” would be better is not because he is getting paid. One does not make one more knowledgeable nor more experienced
Since hatzolah’s response time is based on having so many members, and since I have never heard anyone claim that calls go unanswered, there would be no difference in the amount of calls taken And therefore no difference in experience.
So the only difference would be, are they eating donuts between calls or doing something productive.
If you can make a logical case that being paid to eat donuts makes a better emt, I would love to hear it.
Until that case is made though, I think that logically speaking, someone who is giving up their time is probably much more dedicated and motivated, than someone who is doing it for the money.
Anyone in the business world can tell you there are plenty of fully paid workers who do nothing but game the system.
Judge merit-on merit.
Don’t take the selflessness of hatzolah members and use it to knock them down

Health
Firstly I commend you on a
Sane
Normal
On topic
Civil
Logical
Response.
It’s a pleasure.
You are correct . When I said ”help you” I meant in your quest to make hatzolah better.
I should have wrote ”perhaps people would have taken your words to heart ”

No I don’t think you kept quiet. And I also rethought my final comment and decided it was out of bounds.
But there is no way to unwrite a comment once you push send.
May hashem send you much simcha and bracha in your life together with the rest of כלל ישראל.
Have a great summer

Ry23
Sorry
I stand corrected

Health:
You wrote
“I know you can’t control your rank-outs, but if you decide to respond – try to do it civily.”
OK I will try. But first I need some guidance FPO our resident ”civil engineer ”
Please tell me if the following statements make the cut as being civil
Stop with your misleading

I know you can’t control your rank-outs,

That’s because you’re so attuned with yourself – you didn’t read my posts!

So Mister Know It All – What are my 2 other degrees?!?

Aren’t you glad that you found out about 1 of my 3 degrees & it didn’t cost you a penny?!?

Stop with your lying – what do you know about EMS? You’re an eye doc?!?

Are you Mod 80 along with Kluger yid, Ubiq, Feivel, etc.?
And I thought only Joseph played these games!

I guess it’s BORING in the Nursing Home.

Stop with your lying.

But if you do, it shows your incompetence!

So I guess that you’re not that smart – that you can’t remember simple things.

Either way – do you have 3 degrees to claim you know more medicine than me?!?

The truth is – I had a case, but since you proved to be a pain to me, for years, I refuse to give it to you for free!!!

And try to be honest, if you are capable!

Stop with your lies & sarcasm.

Tell them to your wife, if you have one.

Know who the author of them is??
Someone who goes by the screen name ”health”

As to your main issue. I must tell you I feel sorry for you.
After 250+ comments on a thread your issue finally comes out. You claim that hatzolah was negligent in a case involving a family member and that person died and hatzolah did nothing about it.
You know, had you come right out at the beginning and said that, you probably would have garnered sympathy from many readers, and perhaps someone could have been motivated to try to help you.
However by now you unfortunately are a proven liar, fulminator and agitator. Nobody with any critical thought abilities gives any credence to your claim.
I personally think you made it up because the thread got so ridiculous you needed to try to save face.
Have a wonderful summer

Health
I hope you noticed I stopped calling you a woman.
Cause I’ll take your word for it since I have no evidence otherwise

I am still waiting for you to show me where you told me that you are a man.
I’ll take your word for it now that you said it. But your claim that you told me many times before is plain odd, as I searched and it ain’t anywhere that I could find.
And BTW, I never claimed you are not a medical professional.
I wouldn’t do such a thing as I have no basis to say that.
Nor is it important.
Your posts are so ridiculous it would make you look worse if you are a medical professional.

Oh and by the way I am not a member of Hatzola, nor a medical professional either.
But I am defending Hatzola
So your claim that only someone in Hatzola would defend them sorta falls flat.
Should we extend your ”logic??” to say only someone who cannot get onto Hatzola would bash them?
Just wondering.

So let’s just sum up this thread
We have a lady (health) who
has some hidden gripe against Hatzola,
Cannot state that gripe
Cannot string together two logically connected thoughts
Cannot give a pointed response to a detailed pointed question
Is incapable of admitting a mistake
Cannot listen to others with an open mind.
BUT FOR THE RIGHT PRICE
is willing to take over running one of the most respected and successfully run frum public/semi-public organization.

For most of us Purim was a little more that a month ago.
For some it seems it goes all year!
L’CHAIM!! TO HEALTH!!! ah freilichen Purim to all!

Health
Ky-“Man up and say
”I was wrong ”
It won’t hurt as much as you think”

I just proved that I was right when I posted -“The only other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it.”
So – Man up and say
”I was wrong ”.
It won’t hurt as much as you think!

How exactly does that prove you are correct???
Do you know the definition of the word prove??

Health
Quote
”Ok – here goes:

“I studied their religion”

WHY – It’s Avodah Zora?!?

“I have a neighbor who practises that religion and we argue religion all the time
Same as above but with a coworker”

Why waste your time discussing Avodah Zora?!?” (end quote)

You may or not have a good question there. However try to strain your brain for a moment and remember what the aforementioned lines were written in response to.
Can’t recall?
OK
Let me help you by cutting and pasting your words that I was responding to.
(quote)
The ##only ##other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it. DID YOU?!?
Hash tags were now inserted by me
Capital letters are yours.
All clear??
Great let’s proceed
You staked a claim that there was no way to have knowledge of their religion except if I practised it.
I provided you with multiple alternatives. Only one of which is necessary to accomplish the stated aim.
You had no response and I called you on it.
So you respond with a question as to WHY I would do some of those alternatives?????
Who cares!!
They are ways to be aware of the details of a different religion without practising that religion.
Contrary to your stated claim.
Man up and say
”I was wrong ”
It won’t hurt as much as you think

My pet is a cream cheese bagel. I don’t sell it. I make sure to finish eating it before the zman

The only other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it. DID YOU?!?
Did you ever think before you post?
Let me list for you some alternative ways
I studied their religion
I have a neighbor who practises that religion and we argue religion all the time
Same as above but with a coworker
I heard shiurim from my Rebbe on the topic

And perhaps I did practise it. So what? Maybe I am a ger tzedek and you were just מבטל מצוות עשה של ואהבתם את הגר
Maybe I am a בעל תשובה and you were just עובר ולא תונו איש את אמיתו

”And most Frum Yidden, call Hatzola in an emergency, Not 911, doesn’t make them right either!”

Doesn’t that sort of disprove your point?
Are you now going to respond to yourself with some nasty gibberish?

Just want to point out another point.
I think the reason you feel so turned off from Judaism is because you (rightfully so) expect a higher standard from our community.
The non Jewish world is empirically so much worse in all aspects it does not even come close.
it’s just that you don’t connect with them and you sort of expect it so your radar does not even pick it up.
People usually only sense anomalies.
So its actually a positive sign on the whole that you are so bothered.
But please don’t become turned off
Just from a pure logical position, what’s your alternative?
As another poster wrote
The Jews may not be perfect but the Torah is

Sorry Josef
There is only one of you!!!

Facts are irrevelant to guys like you!
What does ” irrevelant” mean?

Who do you think you are?!?
Just someone trying to figure out why you would publicly bash Hatzola

Why would I mention them on a public forum?
Firstly, who cares why. You said the facts were spelled out there.
Secondly because it would be common decency to back up your hyperbolic animosity with some sort of facts.

Now start helping your mother or your wife for Pesach
Thanks for the sage advice.
That’s the first sensible thing I have seen from you.

BTW
How do I access that post? I am clueless to these things.
(yes health I can’t figure out how to access that post but you think I have two names.
I only managed to scroll through all your posts on this thread cause I tapped on your name and ywn had it all set up.)
And once we are on the topic
You said quite plainly that you discussed it ”in this topic AND…
חז’ל tell us מלתא דעבידא לאגליי לא משקרת אינשי
edited!

”I discussed this already many times. In this topic …”
Really? I just scrolled through all your comments on this thread. There is not a single one there that provides any reasoning or facts to back up your open animosity to Hatzola.
Just saying

health
i’m lost
“We are talking about many Issurim. ”
that would indicate lashon hara
machlokes is only one issur.
so badmouthing a group of jews without providing any bacground of facts is not fomenting machlokes?

you have to be mimaet by every medical emergency. whats your point.
no i am not a member of hatzolah

Health
Can you provide some detail?
I can’t say I read every comment as there are currently 175 comments here. But I did scan them and I am quite curious.
In what way is Hatzola so bad?
Maybe I’m naive. But I always thought the purpose of that organization is to be first responders to medical emergencies.
Unfortunately I have had many occasions to need them between me and my extended family. Every time they arrived speedily, a few times even before I hung up the phone!!
They were always courteous and professional.
So what exactly is the issue with them that is giving you such grief??
I hope it’s not and issue of say, mismanaging funds or the like. Because to that I would say ”who cares? ” nobody forces me to give them a dime. They will respond just the same to a supporter as they would to you. If I felt they were mismanaging the money I just would not donate.
If it’s internal politics, such as promotions or the like, what do I care? I am not a member anyway. It doesn’t hurt me. So what exactly is the issue that has you so enraged that you consistently smash them here?
I am quite curious.
Thanks
Looking forward to your well reasoned response

Ctlawyer
How do you get your raw matzah to the oven?

As to the general discussion?
Why chose
Buy a box of hand matzah
When you finish them, just eat the box!!
Bingo two for the price of one
In a blind taste test most people cannot differentiate between average machine matzoh and the box it comes in

You are correct.
My example fell short.
Let me rephrase.
If I post ”I think most people with glasses are nerds.” (probably more in line with common stereotyping than some random insult tacked on to ”people with glasses ”) I think most people with glasses would shrug it off. For the reasons mentioned.
As to your sensitivity part. One word
”context ”
This was not a trolling post
”I think store workers are beneath me ”
This was a personal post about dealing with finding a shidduch and how to react to specific pieces of information.
To leave out her personal prejudices would sort of make the whole post worthless.
”I am dating. Sometimes I get information that would make me not want to date that person. How should I proceed? ”
See what I mean. So yes if you are looking to have a discussion that a major factor is your personal predilections for or against certain lifestyle choices, it sort of behooves you to say out what they are in order to have a sensible conversation.
As you say
Heavy stuff