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  • in reply to: Gee thanks, anti-vaxxers #1503354
    klugeryid
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    Where do I send the money
    As a matter of fact I believe you so much you don’t need to show me the proof
    I just want to give you the money

    in reply to: Am I allowed to eat plain flour? #1503341
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ry23
    Sorry
    I stand corrected

    in reply to: The Longest Seder Contest—How Late Will Your Seder End? #1503330
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Josef
    Of מעריב ?
    😂

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1503328
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health:
    You wrote
    “I know you can’t control your rank-outs, but if you decide to respond – try to do it civily.”
    OK I will try. But first I need some guidance FPO our resident ”civil engineer ”
    Please tell me if the following statements make the cut as being civil
    Stop with your misleading

    I know you can’t control your rank-outs,

    That’s because you’re so attuned with yourself – you didn’t read my posts!

    So Mister Know It All – What are my 2 other degrees?!?

    Aren’t you glad that you found out about 1 of my 3 degrees & it didn’t cost you a penny?!?

    Stop with your lying – what do you know about EMS? You’re an eye doc?!?

    Are you Mod 80 along with Kluger yid, Ubiq, Feivel, etc.?
    And I thought only Joseph played these games!

    I guess it’s BORING in the Nursing Home.

    Stop with your lying.

    But if you do, it shows your incompetence!

    So I guess that you’re not that smart – that you can’t remember simple things.

    Either way – do you have 3 degrees to claim you know more medicine than me?!?

    The truth is – I had a case, but since you proved to be a pain to me, for years, I refuse to give it to you for free!!!

    And try to be honest, if you are capable!

    Stop with your lies & sarcasm.

    Tell them to your wife, if you have one.

    Know who the author of them is??
    Someone who goes by the screen name ”health”

    As to your main issue. I must tell you I feel sorry for you.
    After 250+ comments on a thread your issue finally comes out. You claim that hatzolah was negligent in a case involving a family member and that person died and hatzolah did nothing about it.
    You know, had you come right out at the beginning and said that, you probably would have garnered sympathy from many readers, and perhaps someone could have been motivated to try to help you.
    However by now you unfortunately are a proven liar, fulminator and agitator. Nobody with any critical thought abilities gives any credence to your claim.
    I personally think you made it up because the thread got so ridiculous you needed to try to save face.
    Have a wonderful summer

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1503158
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health, let’s bring the entire conversation leading up to that pull quote you provided just now

    CAD – “Having participated in almost every aspect of pre-hospital care, public, private, and volunteer, I can safely say the rate of incompetence amongst all agencies is pretty constant”
    (health responds)
    This I agree with. But other agencies have options that deal with incompetence. They have supervisors and lawsuits. Try suing H & keeping your kids into Frum schools!
    But other agencies have options that deal with incompetence”

    (CAD responds)
    So does Hatzolah. From remediation classes , to practice under observation, to restriction of privileges, to suspension, to termination. Its all there, much like every other BLS/ALS organization. Does it catch everyone? No, but neither does the 911 system’s QA/QI. Incompetence falls through the cracks sometimes, in EVERY organization.

    (Health responds)
    CAD -“to practice under observation, to restriction of privileges, to suspension, to termination.”

    LOL!!! You must be a Hatzola guy. ****The only case of termination that I heard is when an EMT on Hatzola was working with H Medics & and they let the guy die! ****This EMT went to a Godol for a Din Torah. And the Medics & the leadership were opposing him – so they they threw the guy off!
    And btw, it wasn’t me – like I posted many times – I never joined them!
    End quotes

    So basically your denial and counter-argument to someone else’s point consists of your entire rational.
    Until that point you would not mention your issues with Hatzola because it would ”involve issurim”
    And a reader is supposed to figure out that 200+ comments into a thread is where you will slip in your real issue??
    And we should believe that you can run an organization??
    Only way you can run it is into the ground.

    Oh and BTW to defend this foolishness of yours?
    Hey I am not involved so I know no details nor stats, nor have I ever tried to find them out, but I know at least 3 people who have been suspended / under observation by Hatzola for infractions.
    I don’t know the details cause it’s none of my business.
    But that’s 3 that I heard of WITHOUT EVEN TRYING!!!! so to claim they have no disciplinary procedures is just plain foolishness. Or outright lying. Your choice. I don’t claim to know with any degree of certainty if you are a fool or a pathological liar.

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1503159
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    I hope you noticed I stopped calling you a woman.
    Cause I’ll take your word for it since I have no evidence otherwise

    in reply to: Am I allowed to eat plain flour? #1503160
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Rebyid23
    You left out the chilli powder

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1503072
    klugeryid
    Participant

    I am still waiting for you to show me where you told me that you are a man.
    I’ll take your word for it now that you said it. But your claim that you told me many times before is plain odd, as I searched and it ain’t anywhere that I could find.
    And BTW, I never claimed you are not a medical professional.
    I wouldn’t do such a thing as I have no basis to say that.
    Nor is it important.
    Your posts are so ridiculous it would make you look worse if you are a medical professional.

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1503040
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    I am not actually ”defending ” Hatzola. But only because I have not heard any actual complaint. So there is nothing to defend them about or against.
    What I am doing is standing up to a disgusting online bully who is besmirching their name without giving any reason for doing so.
    As I actually did post.
    I have unfortunately used them many times and every time their service was a1
    So put up or shut up

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1503011
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Oh and by the way I am not a member of Hatzola, nor a medical professional either.
    But I am defending Hatzola
    So your claim that only someone in Hatzola would defend them sorta falls flat.
    Should we extend your ”logic??” to say only someone who cannot get onto Hatzola would bash them?
    Just wondering.

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1503010
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    ”I’!m Not gonna read the rest of your lies, but I told
    ***you***
    many times – I’m not a lady but a male!”
    List one time please ma’am

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1502823
    klugeryid
    Participant

    So let’s just sum up this thread
    We have a lady (health) who
    has some hidden gripe against Hatzola,
    Cannot state that gripe
    Cannot string together two logically connected thoughts
    Cannot give a pointed response to a detailed pointed question
    Is incapable of admitting a mistake
    Cannot listen to others with an open mind.
    BUT FOR THE RIGHT PRICE
    is willing to take over running one of the most respected and successfully run frum public/semi-public organization.

    For most of us Purim was a little more that a month ago.
    For some it seems it goes all year!
    L’CHAIM!! TO HEALTH!!! ah freilichen Purim to all!

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1502714
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ubiq
    Please don’t allow yourself to be taken for a ride.
    I am willing to give health ‘s scotus care
    Plus her real name plus all her alternate screen names, for 1.6 million.
    Plus I will throw in a free coffee maker and two nights in a three star hotel.
    Satisfaction guaranteed

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1502598
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    Ky-“Man up and say
    ”I was wrong ”
    It won’t hurt as much as you think”

    I just proved that I was right when I posted -“The only other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it.”
    So – Man up and say
    ”I was wrong ”.
    It won’t hurt as much as you think!

    How exactly does that prove you are correct???
    Do you know the definition of the word prove??

    in reply to: Pictures of women in frum magazines and advertisements #1502551
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Why would it be assur to have pictures of women?
    It’s probably safe to grant a 50/50 audience male female.
    So for half the readership there is no issue.
    For the other half, many men will not sin just because there is a modest headshot of a woman.
    So its probably less of an issue than reading advertisements on shabbos
    Which is what the op was saying.
    Your addition of that single innocent word allowed you to make an argument that did not address the issue at all.
    Now you are making a new argument
    Kol Hakavod
    Perhaps you are correct. I don’t know.

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1502435
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    Quote
    ”Ok – here goes:

    “I studied their religion”

    WHY – It’s Avodah Zora?!?

    “I have a neighbor who practises that religion and we argue religion all the time
    Same as above but with a coworker”

    Why waste your time discussing Avodah Zora?!?” (end quote)

    You may or not have a good question there. However try to strain your brain for a moment and remember what the aforementioned lines were written in response to.
    Can’t recall?
    OK
    Let me help you by cutting and pasting your words that I was responding to.
    (quote)
    The ##only ##other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it. DID YOU?!?
    Hash tags were now inserted by me
    Capital letters are yours.
    All clear??
    Great let’s proceed
    You staked a claim that there was no way to have knowledge of their religion except if I practised it.
    I provided you with multiple alternatives. Only one of which is necessary to accomplish the stated aim.
    You had no response and I called you on it.
    So you respond with a question as to WHY I would do some of those alternatives?????
    Who cares!!
    They are ways to be aware of the details of a different religion without practising that religion.
    Contrary to your stated claim.
    Man up and say
    ”I was wrong ”
    It won’t hurt as much as you think

    in reply to: Pictures of women in frum magazines and advertisements #1502438
    klugeryid
    Participant

    G h
    “Most readers read these magazines on Shabbos and (if I understand the halacha correctly) it is prohibited from anyone to read or look at advertisements on Shabbos…”

    What marketing study or credible evidence is there that “most readers” read these newspapers or magazines only on Shabbos??

    Interesting how you added one little word
    ”only ”
    To the original post in order to smash it
    The poster did not say most people read it ”only ” on shabbos
    The op said ”read it on shabbos ”
    That is a stand alone statement that does not discuss the rest of the week as it is irrelevant to the point
    Read the letters to the editor in any of these rags and see how many people state that ”their shabbos is not complete unless they have their favorite magazine. ”

    in reply to: Are you selling your pet for Pesach? #1501919
    klugeryid
    Participant

    My pet is a cream cheese bagel. I don’t sell it. I make sure to finish eating it before the zman

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1501897
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Interesting how you had no response to the main thrust of my post

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1501819
    klugeryid
    Participant

    The only other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it. DID YOU?!?
    Did you ever think before you post?
    Let me list for you some alternative ways
    I studied their religion
    I have a neighbor who practises that religion and we argue religion all the time
    Same as above but with a coworker
    I heard shiurim from my Rebbe on the topic

    And perhaps I did practise it. So what? Maybe I am a ger tzedek and you were just מבטל מצוות עשה של ואהבתם את הגר
    Maybe I am a בעל תשובה and you were just עובר ולא תונו איש את אמיתו

    ”And most Frum Yidden, call Hatzola in an emergency, Not 911, doesn’t make them right either!”

    Doesn’t that sort of disprove your point?
    Are you now going to respond to yourself with some nasty gibberish?

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1501281
    klugeryid
    Participant

    So would you say the same thing about the Missionaries that go around? I mean maybe X-ianty is right – because most people in the US practice it?
    Confusion conflation and straw man all in one. That’s impressive.
    The answer is simply
    yes.
    I would say exactly the same thing about the missionaries.
    I don’t judge the religion by the crazies.
    I judge by the entirety of the religion. And theirs doesn’t make it to first base. On merit! Not based on a few nuts.
    Sort of like how I would not judge the logic and reasoning skills of Jews based on one lady with a screen name of health

    in reply to: Thoughts on going OTD #1500961
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Just want to point out another point.
    I think the reason you feel so turned off from Judaism is because you (rightfully so) expect a higher standard from our community.
    The non Jewish world is empirically so much worse in all aspects it does not even come close.
    it’s just that you don’t connect with them and you sort of expect it so your radar does not even pick it up.
    People usually only sense anomalies.
    So its actually a positive sign on the whole that you are so bothered.
    But please don’t become turned off
    Just from a pure logical position, what’s your alternative?
    As another poster wrote
    The Jews may not be perfect but the Torah is

    in reply to: Please Post Your Weight #1500270
    klugeryid
    Participant

    622

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1500168
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Sorry Josef
    There is only one of you!!!

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1500166
    klugeryid
    Participant

    And Rebyid23
    And poppa bar abba
    And ”the wolf ”
    And health
    And dancingmom
    And shopping613
    And the rest of the moderators
    And Chabadshelucha

    There. I’ve outed myself with all my alternate screen names
    Now answer the simple question
    ”what is your beef against Hatzola? ”

    My personal thoughts are that you were turned down because they don’t take women.

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1500139
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Facts are irrevelant to guys like you!
    What does ” irrevelant” mean?

    Who do you think you are?!?
    Just someone trying to figure out why you would publicly bash Hatzola

    Why would I mention them on a public forum?
    Firstly, who cares why. You said the facts were spelled out there.
    Secondly because it would be common decency to back up your hyperbolic animosity with some sort of facts.

    Now start helping your mother or your wife for Pesach
    Thanks for the sage advice.
    That’s the first sensible thing I have seen from you.

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1499238
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Wow!!!
    That’s the smoking gun???
    That’s your issue with Hatzola?
    There is no issue mentioned there. Just someone (perhaps it’s you. Perhaps someone else) maligning Hatzola in a different setting.
    Boy did I waste my time with you.
    edited, again. 

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1499213
    klugeryid
    Participant

    BTW
    How do I access that post? I am clueless to these things.
    (yes health I can’t figure out how to access that post but you think I have two names.
    I only managed to scroll through all your posts on this thread cause I tapped on your name and ywn had it all set up.)
    And once we are on the topic
    You said quite plainly that you discussed it ”in this topic AND…
    חז’ל tell us מלתא דעבידא לאגליי לא משקרת אינשי
    edited!

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1499208
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    What’s with you and ”other sn’s”?
    I only have one. sorry.
    It’s anonymous
    Why would I need another one?

    truncated

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1499181
    klugeryid
    Participant

    ”I discussed this already many times. In this topic …”
    Really? I just scrolled through all your comments on this thread. There is not a single one there that provides any reasoning or facts to back up your open animosity to Hatzola.
    Just saying

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1498902
    klugeryid
    Participant

    How can badmouthing someone without giving any info be toeles?
    cmon!!
    a little respect for the readership here

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1498803
    klugeryid
    Participant

    health
    i’m lost
    “We are talking about many Issurim. ”
    that would indicate lashon hara
    machlokes is only one issur.
    so badmouthing a group of jews without providing any bacground of facts is not fomenting machlokes?

    you have to be mimaet by every medical emergency. whats your point.
    no i am not a member of hatzolah

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1498325
    klugeryid
    Participant

    health
    “We are talking about many Issurim”
    do you mean lashon hara?
    because detailed information would possiblyn mitigate that
    whereas plain negativity is simply lashon hara with no redeeming qualities

    “Tell me – is Labor a life-threatening situation in most cases?!?”
    um,, yes. chazal seemed to think so. thats why you can always be mechallel shabos and why she is MICHUYAV to eat on yom kippur

    in reply to: What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night? #1498160
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    Can you provide some detail?
    I can’t say I read every comment as there are currently 175 comments here. But I did scan them and I am quite curious.
    In what way is Hatzola so bad?
    Maybe I’m naive. But I always thought the purpose of that organization is to be first responders to medical emergencies.
    Unfortunately I have had many occasions to need them between me and my extended family. Every time they arrived speedily, a few times even before I hung up the phone!!
    They were always courteous and professional.
    So what exactly is the issue with them that is giving you such grief??
    I hope it’s not and issue of say, mismanaging funds or the like. Because to that I would say ”who cares? ” nobody forces me to give them a dime. They will respond just the same to a supporter as they would to you. If I felt they were mismanaging the money I just would not donate.
    If it’s internal politics, such as promotions or the like, what do I care? I am not a member anyway. It doesn’t hurt me. So what exactly is the issue that has you so enraged that you consistently smash them here?
    I am quite curious.
    Thanks
    Looking forward to your well reasoned response

    in reply to: What tastes better Hand Matzah or Machine Matzah? #1493652
    klugeryid
    Participant

    CTlawyer
    I asked how do you get your matzah TO the oven
    Not INTO the oven
    It is a serious question

    in reply to: What tastes better Hand Matzah or Machine Matzah? #1493592
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ctlawyer
    How do you get your raw matzah to the oven?

    As to the general discussion?
    Why chose
    Buy a box of hand matzah
    When you finish them, just eat the box!!
    Bingo two for the price of one
    In a blind taste test most people cannot differentiate between average machine matzoh and the box it comes in

    in reply to: Wife older than husband: How is it working out? #1493582
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Rav shamshon Rafael Hirsh was a few years younger than his wife.
    He said when he was looking to get married, I have too much to accomplish to marry a young girl.
    (I do not remember the exact quote which was. Said in German, anyway. His point was I am looking for a mature girl not someone still maturing. He felt that required an older girl.)

    in reply to: Marriage? #1487880
    klugeryid
    Participant

    You are correct.
    My example fell short.
    Let me rephrase.
    If I post ”I think most people with glasses are nerds.” (probably more in line with common stereotyping than some random insult tacked on to ”people with glasses ”) I think most people with glasses would shrug it off. For the reasons mentioned.
    As to your sensitivity part. One word
    ”context ”
    This was not a trolling post
    ”I think store workers are beneath me ”
    This was a personal post about dealing with finding a shidduch and how to react to specific pieces of information.
    To leave out her personal prejudices would sort of make the whole post worthless.
    ”I am dating. Sometimes I get information that would make me not want to date that person. How should I proceed? ”
    See what I mean. So yes if you are looking to have a discussion that a major factor is your personal predilections for or against certain lifestyle choices, it sort of behooves you to say out what they are in order to have a sensible conversation.
    As you say
    Heavy stuff

    in reply to: Marriage? #1487849
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Syag
    Which, by the way, is just the kind of person I judgementally would cross off my list as a potential spouse for any of my kids in a heartbeat.
    So basically you judgementalism is OK. I guess because it’s you doing it.
    You are looking for a p c spouse for your kids. Great. Hope you marry them off quick and well with much nachas.
    Let me explain what I meant with my ”anonymous ” comment.
    If I meet you and tell you ”I can’t stand People with glasses ” and you are wearing glasses. That is insulting. Because it’s a personal frontal attack.
    But if I post anonymously on a website that I can’t stand people with glasses, most spectacled people would just shrug it off without getting insulted. Because it’s not direct nor personal.

    in reply to: Marriage? #1486736
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Syag
    Yes it’s judgemental. So what. Humans are judgmental. She is commenting on her opinion of who to spend the rest of her life with. She should reserve judgement??? She even went so far as to explain herself what I thought was pretty obvious. Most minimum wage menial jobs are filled by people that she would not want to spend the rest of her life in private company with.
    She did not say she talks down to them when she goes shopping. She did not say she treats them with disdain.
    Someone stocking grocery shelves, unless they are a friend or relative of the owner, In which case it’s usually getting paid to help out not a career, is usually not someone in the upper strata of society. That’s a fact. Does no good to deny it and nothing wrong with anonymously expressing your feelings that you would not want to marry them.

    in reply to: Eat4Oorah Is A Chillul Hashem #1479658
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ry23
    You are so totally correct.
    Only problem is you never know what is going to offend someone. The only way to find out is to first make the joke. Then if someone tells you they got offended. Don’t make that joke again where they can hear it.
    We all need to learn constantly from everything around us. So this is just another pedagogical tool.
    (But if you make a joke and nobody got offended you probably should not say that joke over again anywhere. It’s probably not a good joke)

    in reply to: How Was Vashti Killed? #1479176
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Dy
    Unfortunately there are those on this thread that take Medrashim as ”a suggested possibility ” to be accepted or selected based on their own personal feelings on the topic.
    Read through the thread
    Additionally there is truly a concept called medrashos chalukos .
    So I was just showing that In this question it’s pretty open and shut that she was killed. With no wiggle room.
    (there is an entire section of this thread discussing proving she was killed based on his not calling her back when he got sober)

    in reply to: Interesting article on Fox News about yeshaya hanavi #1479153
    klugeryid
    Participant

    I am wondering why do I find this story so interesting.
    I know the נביא ישעיהו lived in ארץ ישראל וירושלים בזמן הבית
    There is an entire ספר in נביאים just for him recording some of his life and works.
    As to the seal? The גמרא tells us there were millions of נביאים and בן נביאים so why is it a stretch to think there was another נביא called ישעיהו
    And if it was really his would he really sign his name ישעיה נביא ? Is that like ”Alexander the great ”?

    in reply to: How Was Vashti Killed? #1479131
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Wow are we hearing from a bunch of geniuses here
    The גמרא, מגילה יא עמוד ב
    Three lines from the bottom
    בא שטן וריקד ביניהן הורג את ושתי
    Satan came and danced amongst (between) them and killed Vashti
    Is that clear enough?
    Or are you ready to take on the גמרא as well?

    in reply to: What’s a good last minute costume for a woman? #1476856
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Toi
    Very good!!!!
    Thanks for a laugh

    in reply to: Orthodox Jewish (Rock and Roll) Concerts #1475777
    klugeryid
    Participant

    G H
    Are you bolstering rabbi Miller’s point ?
    Cause if not you totally missed it.
    His point
    I will not say concerts are forbidden
    But it’s not the Jewish spirit to get together simply for musical enjoyment.
    How does that change when you upgrade the enjoyment factor?
    Then it becomes in the spirit??

    As an aside. You write ”for those wishing to be machmir”
    Can you provide me with any name of an orthodox rabbi who will go on record stating that it is permitted to sit in mixed gender seating at a concert?
    It can only be properly called a ‘chumra ” if it is technically permitted

    in reply to: Shailos – Psak Halacha Hotlines #1403930
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Their rov is giving a shiur and they need an answer right away
    Their rov is on vacation
    Their rov is not picking up the phone and is not telling them why

    in reply to: I am superior to you because of the coffee I drink. #1388187
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ry23
    So Buy multiple villages if you must
    But it’s gotta all start on your land. Otherwise you might as well drink ”great value ” instant

    in reply to: I am superior to you because of the coffee I drink. #1388159
    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ha ! You are all inferior.
    I bet none of you own their own Columbia town complete with native workers to grow and harvest real Columbia beans.
    Anything short of that is just a cheap wannabe
    BTW CT lawyer, if you hire a couple good slaves to patchke with all your coffee apparatus, you can probably pack away an extra two three hours a day in bed without missing anything in your daily schedule.

    in reply to: Why don’t shadchanim get paid as much as psychologists? #1366650
    klugeryid
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    Ry23 you need reasons?
    Two parents per kid
    Parents can’t get fired so there is no accountability
    Any idiot can become a parent
    Parents get paid more, just they are the ones paying the rebbe so they end up with less
    Parents get paid in grandkids
    Parents are paying back their Dept to their parents
    Nobody hired the parents
    Parents don’t ask their boss for a raise
    Need more?

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