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I have no problem responding the fact is that in general chassidus was based on knowing about God and how God cares about us etc. While mussar was based on how bad we are. It could be things have changed over time but those are what the original sifrei chassidus and mussar were based on.
In general mussar is based on sor may’ra and chassidus is based on assay tov.
One is about correcting what you’ve done wrong the other is about becoming a better person and then naturally you’ll correct what you’ve done wrong.We are meant to fear gehinnom but we are not meant to live in fear of gehinnom. There’s a mitzvah to love God and there’s also a mitzvah to fear God. The question is which one are you putting more focus on… In my siddur in the berachos before shema it mentions loving God more than it mentions fearing him so that’s what I like focusing on
Coincidentally this is the perfect time of year for this conversation. The reason a lot of people hate pesach is because of all the chumros they grew up with so when they grow up and have their own home they go the opposite extreme and instead of keeping some chumros they just go to a pesach program where they don’t have to do anything and they eat everything offered there…
I have no problem with believing in gehinnom and how scary it is but there are more positive mammorei chazal that I like to focus on more“Let me quote the Rabbi of the Chabad shul I attend,”…Of course that’s insanity,…All the statements coming out of Chabad are lunacy, but they’re based on the central lie of Chabad which is Schneersohn’s Kefirah that all Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach.
“Until there’s a Psak, the Chabad religion is not officially idolatrous and therefore I am permitted to Daven there and eat their food. Moreover, I get along very well with the Rabbis.”If you truly believe that it’s idolatrous etc. Then why are you waiting for an official Psak? Either you don’t actually believe it or you do but you can’t be bothered to drive a little bit further to daven with a minyan so you’re making excuses that there’s no official Psak yet so it’s ok. Btw there was a Psak from the talmidi hagra and over the last 250+ years there’s been other groups also that paskened that chabad is a cult that chassidus in general is a cult etc etc. Who would you actually accept a Psak from because if that’s what you’re looking for you have it already. Is malkiel saying chabad is not invited to the siyum hashas because they’re not part of klal yisreal enough for you? If I get along with Christians am I allowed to join them also for their services?
Like I’ve written before, it seems the only person you know anything about in chabad is manis Friedman and the rabbi of the shul you go to and both have said things that sound like kefira to you but because no bais din in today’s day and age has officially made a Psak against them and you obviously refuse to accept the Psak din of other battei dinim over the last two centuries you convinced yourself that it’s ok to go there since they have a minyan even though the rabbi believes in things that are kefira in your opinion. Ironically you remind me of the not frum people you say chabad is not helping. A lot of them have “feelings” for God and they’re “religious in their heart” so there’s no need for them to manifest it into the physical by doing actual mitzvos etc. So you believe chabad is kefira but it’s too convenient for you so just thinking it and writing about it here on YWN is enough for you but in practice you’ll keep eating their food when traveling and even daven in one of their shuls on a daily basis purely for convenience…I’m not sure who your sources are but there’s no one person or even group of people who are in charge of “chabad” the people in charge of the shlichus program or even of 770 are not in charge of the whole community.
I do agree with the statement that chabad is not afraid of gehinnom as opposed to other groups which are, I don’t think anyone in chabad denies that gehinnom exists but their focus is on the positive. In general mussar is about how bad we are and we’re going to gehinnom so we shouldn’t sin etc. And chassidus is about how great God is and just the very fact that he created us means he loves and we should serve him out of love to him. One is focused on the positive one is focused on the negative. Neither path is wrong but just because one doesn’t focus on gehinnom and live their life in fear of God doesn’t mean they don’t believe gehinnom exists.
Btw I’m still waiting for you to explain how you can daven and eat by shluchim if they’re kofrim etc
1. How can you daven in a chabad shul if you think they’re kofrim? Either you accept them or you don’t. The fact that you have no problem going into a chabad shul to daven is proof that either you don’t care about halacha which doesn’t allow kofrim to be counted in a minyan or you don’t believe most of what you say and you just like having pointless arguments online.
2. Who is the “chabad leadership” that should denounce Manis Friedman? You sound like the politicians in one party who every time something bad happens involving the other party they feel the need to ask every single member of the opposing party to denounce it because if they don’t that means they approve of whatever happened. Maybe I should start going to all the litvish roshei yeshivas, rabbonim, roshei kollel etc. And ask them to denounce the bench/shtender throwing in a certain yeshiva in bnei brak and if they refuse to listen to me (which they probably would because why would they listen to a random guy like me who they never heard of before) then that means they agree with the bench and shtender throwing.
3. You proved my point that you’re the exact person that Daniel eleff had in mind when he wrote his article about the do’s and don’ts of enjoying chabad’s services during your travels.Manis is a kofer since the Rebbe was also a kofer…kosher meals and minyanim for travelers… An atheistic, idolatrous religion.
I’m honestly very confused if you actually think chabad are kofrim or not. If you’re at home in a frum community then they’re kofrim and like any kofrim you wouldn’t eat their food or count them for a minyan etc. But when you’re traveling are they no longer kofrim or are you not keeping kosher and davening with kofrim when you travel? Or are you just lying to yourself?I think qwertys issue is that he thinks Manis Friedman is the current lubavitcher Rebbe so anything he says automatically means that the whole lubavitch movement agrees with it.
I may not be the most knowledgeable person when it comes to the “who’s who” of the yeshiva world but when the only lubavitch name I hear is Manis Friedman and the only names I hear against lubavitch are names I have to Google search even though they’re probably “the greatest gaon alive today…” It’s hard to take anything you say seriously. I personally know plenty of shluchim both older and younger who aren’t fans of manis Friedman and who also don’t feel the need to say that the lubavitcher Rebbe is moshiach etc. and I’m sure if I gave you their names you’d still manage to come up with a reason for why they’re not really doing anything useful and they’re just wasting their time.
There’s a shliach who I’m sure you’ve heard of by the name of berel Lazar who runs a whole network of institutions etc. And one of the many things he does is run a program for bachurim from Iran where they learn shechita safrus mila etc. For a few years and then they go back to Iran and help raise the standards in the community they grew up in. I’m sure you can figure out why he’s not doing much and is just wasting his time.
P.S. you are the exact type of person that Daniel eleff (Dan’s deals) felt the need to write his whole article on “the do’s and don’ts while enjoying chabad’s services during your travels”Just found this old page while looking for some lyrics hopefully someone will be able to help me.
Does anyone have the lyrics for the patience song from Dr midos? TIABUMP
Moshiach will be a Misnaged. Why?
Because if he’s a chossid then the misnagdim won’t accept him but if he’s a misnaged the chassidim will still accept him as long as he finally comesIt’s known in lubavitch that the lubavitcher rebbe can’t be Moshiach because Moshiach will be someone that’s accepted by all Jews and since on the one hand there are those who if in the end it turns out that the lubavitcher rebbe actually ends up being Moshiach they wouldn’t accept him and would rather that moshiach not come instead and on the other hand lubavitchers will accept anyone that ends up being Moshiach as long as he comes already so in the end the lubavitcher rebbe can’t be Moshiach
@gershig32 the most known source for this in lubavitch seforim is the mammor of v’ata titzaveh where the lubavitcher rebbe explains why the Jews brought the oil to Moshe and not to Aharon even though aharon was the one who lit the menorah
in short the Jews lift up Moshe through the oil they bring him and with this Moshe lifts up the Jews so they end up helping each other and this applies to the “moshe” in every generation including mordechai hatzadik in his time and in this time it’s your rebbe or godal that you listen to and follow
Similarly there’s the story of the Baal shem tov he used to daven for a long time while his chassidim would finish and wait for him one time he took a really long time davening so they went out to go eat something and when they came back they were surprised that he was finished and waiting for them so he told them the moshel of the hunter who finds a rare bird in a tree and he stands on the shoulders of a few people to reach it and if those people decide to walk away then he’ll fall down…
In general there’s a concept these days that we’re the lowest generation but we’ll bring Moshiach because we’re on the shoulders of all the previous generations so in a way we’re higher (avraham fried song (on giants shoulders)As a lubavitcher who believes the rebbe can still be Moshiach (and I don’t believe anyone, including the rebbe, is Moshiach until Moshiach actually comes) I have nothing against people who respectfully disagree but when you start bashing my rebbe don’t be surprised when you start being bashed also
Defend chabad: it used to happen only rarely but in the last few years they’ve started posted a lot more articles against different groups in crown heights, the bais din, bais rivka, oholei Torah etc. They don’t really write against other communities that much it’s mainly crown heights
regarding the specific example I mentioned I read both articles and when they posted the 2nd one about how Lakewood is bad, I tried posting a link to the 1st article about crown heights being bad but they didn’t let it through.
P.s. crownheights.info also posts the same articles as collive.com about different letters from the crown heights bais din and teachers not getting paid etc. But they don’t give their personal opinion they just post the facts with some details unlike mica sofer/collive which gives her personal opinion which is usually slanted against whichever group the article is discussingDefend chabad. I agree with everything you wrote besides collive, they have a history of bashing people especially the crown heights rabbonim and mica sofer the head of collive doesn’t care what anyone has to say for example any time there’s a controversy with the rabbonim she puts up an article bashing them another example is when one of her relatives moved from crown heights to Lakewood so they wrote an article bashing crown heights schools and Jewish landlords etc. And writing how great Lakewood is and then several months later when they realized that most schools wouldn’t accept them because as part of their PR for their job as wedding photographers they had Instagram and posted pictures of the girls on it and the schools have higher acceptance standards so they moved back to crown heights and wrote a whole article about how bad Lakewood is and in either article they didn’t let anyone post comments criticizing them
In short there’s a reason why chabad rabbonim came out against collive and not any other chabad news sites
There is no hint in any of the books that Dumbledore is gay it was only added recently so that the LGBT+ and SJWs etc. Won’t go crazy that everyone in the book is normal
There are strong hints of christianity throughout the books especially towards the end for example harry dies and comes back and saves everyone (pretty obvious what that’s referring to) and there’s sentences in the books which are word for word copies of sentences in different books of the fake testament
the psychologist Jordan peterson who says that he doesn’t believe in any religion likes to talk about the connection between harry potter and ChristianityDuring the time of The first chabad rebbe the tsarist Russian government started letting a few people travel through the Russian polish border for business and many Jews started moving to Russia which didn’t have many Jewish communities and the Jews that moved there were known not to be so religious so the rebbe used to send his chassidim to travel through Russia during their business travels and help increase the yiddishkeit of these Jews and establish shuls mikvaos etc. During their travels (the most famous probably being hillel paritcher who ended up moving there) they were so successful that even one of the biggest misnagdim of the day (the real original ones that were truly suspicious of chassidus not the ones that just hate chabad for no reason like these days) by the name of reb zundel wolf who took part in the murder of 4 chassidim in szventzian in 5541 (1781), after he moved to Russia and saw that everything said about chassidus generally and chabad specifically was loshon horah he wrote a letter to his teacher the gra asking him for a way to do teshuva for being involved in the murder of the 4 Chassidim and ended off his letter to the gra saying “no one knows his last day will be and when they stand before the heavenly court to be judged the murder of these 4 people will be blamed on the council of vilna and its bais din for arranging the murders. From the zichronos of the previous lubavitcher rebbe the rayatz
So yes lubavitch was involved in kiruv from the start
@mods there’s no bashing anyone in here so perhaps you can let it through?
I’m not sure if this is accurate but I’ve heard that when clean shaven Chassidishe bachurim/yungerman would visit him asking for a Bracha he would demand to know why they don’t have a beard since according to tzemach tzedek and other Chassidishe poskim that they follow, hold that having a beard is min HaTorah. When litvishe bachurim/yungerman would ask for a Bracha he would tell them that a segula for a Bracha is to start growing a beard
@Lit while I disagree with @defendchabad that the moderators job is to fact check everything posted I do think that if they’re going to let through all the nasty comments bashing chabad (and I mean specifically the comments bashing chabad not the nicely worded ones that simply disagree with chabad) they should also let through all the nasty comments bashing litvish (or at least the nicely worded ones for that matter that they don’t let through for some reason)
In short it should go both ways if you let people argue against chabad then let people defend them also and if you let people bash chabad then let people bash litvish alsono matter how “nicely” you word it we do not post denigrating comments on gedolim or deifying comments directed towards humans
@Joseph the one mentioned in rashi on the posuk in shemos perek yud tes passuk gimmel
by hundreds of failed outposts do you mean the places where they help irreligious Jews become religious jews and help the o.t.d. sons and daughters of different litvishe roshei yeshiva and rabbonim become frum again and stop doing drugs or are you referring to something else? (As a lubavitcher with several relatives that work as chaplains in the prison system I know what I’m talking about)
Everyone hates chabad until it’s their own child that runs off to a 3rd world country to marry a goy or shmad and the only frum person within an hour drive is a lubavitcher who can try to convince them out of it then suddenly they love chabad
If you want more info on how many people including children of “gedolim” chabad has helped get off drugs etc. Try speaking to chabad of salt lake city Utah which has one of the biggest drug rehab centers in the country
P.s. on the topic of Moshiach I saw a great line recently I think it was in ami or mishpacha don’t remember exactly which one “you don’t have to be chabad to want Moshiach but you have to want Moshiach to be a Frum yid”Apparently the censors don’t like when I write sad truths about r. schach and r. kotler but they don’t mind if anyone makes fun of lubavitch or the lubavitcher rebbe so I’ll try this 1 last time
As anyusername already explained most of it so I’ll try to summarize
The rebbe never responded to personal insults from anyone he only responded to the insults that affected large groups of Jews for example the irreligious on the kibbutzim that r. shach called non Jews or in the case of the previous lubavitcher rebbe r. Kotler refusing to give food to the lubavitcher bachurim in Shanghai since he didn’t consider them bnai Torah and causing 2 of the bachurim to die of hunger for lack of food
As a side point halacha says הרב שמחל על כבודו כבודו מחול it also says (sorry I don’t remember the exact Hebrew phrase) that a talmid can’t be מוחל on his teachers behalf so even though the rebbe will never respond to the personal insults, the chassidim will so if you call the rebbe “the man sitting in Brooklyn and driving the whole world crazy” or after his stroke you say that you’ll say tehhilim that he has a refuah shleima physically and mentally (implying that you think he’s mentally ill) don’t get surprised when chassidim start hating you and making up things about you like saying (to use anyusernames example) that you’re mibnei banav shel Haman limdu torah bebnei brak.