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To Lostspark

Many Gedolim were.anti-YU like Rabbi Miller and Rabbi Gifter. So what? Rav Moshe certainly wasn’t. I’m from the LES and we judge people by their actions not their affiliations. Therefore I can agree with Rav Shach on one point and disagree on another. On the other hand since you’re a brain -dead idolater you must accept everything that lying Kofer said.

To coffee addict

Rabbi Miller said that if you keep repeating the truth eventually even your enemies will quote you. You and I went at it pretty good and now you’re using my motto. I love it.

To the group

As I wrote the other day I will not address anything said by Shmei. He can write til the cows come home. My decision is final.

To the group

As anyone could predict Shmei brushed off my proof that Seichel is an idolater. Let’s take a closer look. I’ve called Seichel an idolater since he introduced the Trinity
Did he deny t? No. So Shmei will say that he didn’t object because the charge is preposterous..But wait. When I’m called a liar I challenge such defamation. Therefore Seichel silence is Hodah. Or maybe not. And when philosopher and others brought up Cunin Shmei argued that there’s no clear-cut proof that he meant the Rebbe and not Hashem..And so he’s only a possible idolater. And the Rabbi in my shul who said that the Rebbe and Hashem are protecting us may have meant that Hashem does most of the Shmirah and according to the Gemara Miktzas Kikulo. So he’s only a possible idolater. Here’s the problem Sofek idolatry is idolatry Mamash pun intended. A Sofek as to whether Hashem runs the world is called Amalek. This is my final word on the subject. Ok one more word. Checkmate

To the group

Menachem Shmei denies that Lubavitchers think that they are the “Master Race” of Judaism. Let me provide two anecdotes. One of Ron Hirsch’s daughters in laws(He’s a noted philanthropist) was raised Chabad. I asked her if she was taught in yeshiva that Lubavitchers are better than other Jews and she confirmed it. Second story. About 20 years ago I asked a Chabad Rabbi(I didn’t know much about Chabad at the time) how he would feel if his daughter married someone from Lakewood (she was 9 at the time.) He told me that the question was ridiculous because Lubavitchers are the highest form of Jew. As for Shmei’s response that Rav Shach had troublesome offspring. That’s not unusual so did Rav Moshe and a host of others. The reason I make a point of it is that the Rebbe bragged that he would save every Jew.If he couldn’t help his own family how is he going to save Jews in the hinterlands? As for Rabbi Sacks statement. I heard him say that exact quote on Zev Brenner is the Rebbe studied Hitler. It’s possible that in writing he said it differently. Once again Shmei tries to depict me a a liar and he’s checkmated.

To square root

I’d like to offer a serious response to your comment. About ten years ago Butman told a story about someone who went to the Rebbe for a Brocha and he wasn’t answered. I wondered why he’d tell the story. I soon found out. In his obnoxious style he said, “The reason this Chassid wasn’t answered is because he didn’t fully believe in the Rebbe’s power.” So that’s how they’re able to convince themselves that the Rebbe was never wrong.

To Always

And what does that prove? That the Igros works.

To square root

Probably those times the Rebbe told his co-gods Yaakov and Hashem to handle it and they messed up.

To the group

I’d like to explain Shmei ‘s smarminess. Rabbi Sacks said that the Rebbe studied Hitler and declared that Hitler tried to kill all the Jews so he’ll save all the Jews. That might have been one motive but I suspect his real interest was understanding how that madman took control of the most civilized nation in the world. Hitler taught his people that they were the master race. Lubavitchers openly states that they are better than all other Jews. That’s why they can’t give up even though it’s obvious that they’ve been trounced. Shmei says I begged him to condemn Seichel’s statements. All I said is if he wants to prove that he believes in Judaism let him renounce those statements. And if he can’t find them we have Lostspark who gave his version of the Trinity today. But Shmei’s too busy to find it.

To the group

Boruch Hashem the real Jews are all on the same page. It’s time for Hashem to eliminate this cancer, hopefully in a non-violent manner.

To coffee addict

So I guess the Rebbe is Casper the friendly ghost. No that can’t be. He’s still alive. But of course they also think that Yaakov. See how nice it is when we work together.

To coffee addict

You’re right on target. On Sunday mornings after Shachris my Chabad Shul gives a breakfast and a shiur. I learn by myself but I listen to the class. It’s mostly Chabad brainwashing. One Sunday the Rabbi explained the “Heilege Igros Kodesh” to his know nothing Russians.,”I can’t explain the science but I can tell you that everyone who uses the Igros is helped,” Shmei, the consummate phony, decides to play normal Jew to fool ARSo. All of ARSo’s statements are similar to what the other posters have written, but suddenly he agrees with them. I won’t speculate on his strategy but hopefully ARSo won’t fall for it. Shmei had a chance to prove he’s Jewish by calling out Seichel’s idolatry. Until he does so he has the Chazakah of an idolater.

To coffee addict

You’re point is perfectly well taken.

To seichel

I don’t answer questions from Christians

To Menachem Shmei

I haven’t read any of your Rebbe’s sichos. Whatever I know I’ve picked up from these threads and from what I hear in shul. In 1962 the Rebbe apparently said that he’s god clothed in human form. I would have Dan Him Lkaf Zechus that he didn’t mean that literally except for the fact that Seichel and Lostspark do accept it literally and you refuse to call them out for taking it literally.whicb implies that you agree with them..

To coffee addict

Your point was correct but you didn’t present it properly. Chabad has a system called Igros Kodesh. When people ask them how they can continue without the Rebbe they answer that the Rebbe is still with them in the Igros(letters). So if a Lubavicher has a question he randomly opens this book of letters and the Rebbe answers him. So according to Chabad Hashem transformed himself into the Rebbe and the Rebbe placed his essence into those letters. Makes complete sense…..if you’re a Martian.

To yankel berel

Why are you trying to reason with an idolater? Chabad has lies for all the Rabbis who call them out. Dr. Berger wrote the book because he was a failed academic who was about to lose his tenure if he didn’t publish something..So he made up slander and lies against Chabad. And Rav Shach hated Chabad because they didn’t hire him as a Rabbi in Far Chabad in 1951. They use any lie they can think of to get the critics off their case.5

To the group

My parents were American born, so I only picked up Yiddish as an adult. There’s an expression, “Kliger Amalek” that applies to Menachem Shmei. He has a facility for trying to use my words against me, that’s the Kliger part. So if I admit to certain deficiencies he argues that this Posuls my posts. Ramban, in the introduction to his work, stated that what he knows about the Torah compared to the actual depth and breadth of the subject is like the egg of a gnat compared to the Universe(I’m quoting from memory so I might be wrong in a word or two.) So according to Shmei no one should study this work because of his “ignorance.” In fact Ramban’s admission is complete intellectual honesty and humility and this is precisely why we should accept his teachings. So now the sleazebag Shmei is licking his chops, “Do you see qwerty comparing himself to Ramban?” Obviously I’m not in his stratosphere, but that doesn’t mean I can’t try to emulate the Rishon’s Middah of Emes and to that point I readily acknowledge that I’m far from a Talmid Chacham. So how can I challenge the Rebbe who was a Gaon Olam? Because he was a liar as has been proven.

With this preamble let’s get to the main subject. In high school geometry we were introduced to axioms, postulates and theorems, the building blocks of the discipline. They are inviolate and so a triangle, for example, is always 180 degrees(now Shmei will think of some idiotic comment mocking the subject.) Similarly, but L’Havdil, there is one overriding, sacrosanct unalterable concept in Judaism, “Hashem Echad and nothing has any power other than Him.” This is Judaism 1.0 and it’s been universally accepted by believing Jews throughout the ages. Until our times when a sect of renegade(Mumar) Jews decided that this principle is no longer true. So we have Seichel who openly posits that there’s a tripartite god encompassing Hashem, Yaakov and the Rebbe. Then we have the primordial snake, Shmei. He never reveals what he thinks because he’s too smart to play his hand. Instead, he works both sides of the fence. Cunin declares that the Rebbe runs the world so Shmei says that he didn’t openly declare that he does so instead of Hashem. Right. So does that mean that he and the Rebbe are partners as the Rabbi in my Chabad shul said? Again he won’t answer. Will Shmei definitively state that he believes in the Borei Olam and in no one or thing else. Again he won’t answer. So his opinions remain nebulous. This, as I stated a week ago, is the hallmark of Amalek and so Shmei should be removed from the site.

To always

All I said is that Rabbi Pozner downplayed Avraham Avinu’s greatness by writing in his book that the Akeidah was our Founder’s only true test which is obviously false. Leaving his homeland and sending away Yishmael were examples of Avraham going against his Middah of Chesed. As for your statement that I’m maligning the entire sect. I agree with you that many, probably most Lubavichers are wonderful people and don’t share the idolatrous views of the Three Stooges in this thread, but the absolute refusal of anyone in the Chabad power structure to clearly state that it’s Hashem and only Hashem who runs the world give the entire movement the Chazakah of idolatry. They all know what Cunin said, but they won’t censor him . Are you so blind that you can’t understand this?

To seichel

I think that I can understand your Hebrew sources better than your ” English” writing. You’re totally incoherent. Try again and I’ll try to respond.

To always

Let me complete my thought from above. Since Lubavitchers are pathological liars they assume that everyone is like them.

To Menachem Shmei

I’m glad you gave this answer because it gives me the opportunity to shoot holes into all of Chabad’s heretical claims. When we use a term we must be careful that it’s use in its correct, Halachic sense. Nevuah, as it’s properly understood, means that Hashem spoke to the Novi. The Novi then says some variation of, “Thus said Hashem and he continues with the prophecy.” The Rebbe called the Rayatz a Novi, but he doesn’t relate any specific prophecy. I’ll amplify this point. One of the Rabbis of the Chabad shul I attend read a letter in which the Rebbe described the characteristics of a Chabad Nasi. One such qualification is that he has Ruach Hakodesh. The Rabbi then defined Ruach Hakodesh as Nevuah, but that’s patently false. Ruach Hakodesh is one thing, Siyata Dishmaya is another and Nevuah is a third and they’re not interchangeable. Lubavichers regularly “prove” that the Rebbe was a Novi by saying he made correct predictions. That’s not Nevuah. Therefore I’m not impressed with that word being thrown around regarding other Rabbis. It’s not technically correct. Why is this important? I asked another Rabbi in that shul when the Moshiach business started and he told me, “When the Rebbe took over in 1951 he said he’s Moshiach so that’s all we needed to hear.” That’s the problem with people using Halachic terms haphazardly. The Rebbe is not, and never will be a Novi. Nor did he ever make any statements that qualify as Nevuah. Now let’s expand on this point. Seichel keeps reminding the thread that Yaakov Avinu is god because Hashem called him god. Therefore it follows in his ‘mind” that the Rebbe is also god. So again, I don’t know what the Gemara meant when it said that Yaakov is god. Hashem created the world Yesh Miayin. He had no assistance. When we come to shul on Rosh Hashanah the entire theme is to recognize to the nth degree that Hashem is the only force in the world. He decides who will live and who will die, who will become rich and who’ll be impoverished etc. So when Cunin says that it’s the Rebbe who makes those decisions he’s declaring that G-d no longer exists. When another Rabbi of my Chabad shul said, “We have nothing to fear because Hashem and the Rebbe are protecting us he’s positing that Hashem has a partner in running this world.” Sadly you’re so far lost that you can’t understand that what I’m saying is the incontrovertible truth, but again I don’t write to convince you or your fellow idolaters. I write to expose your false religion and to hopefully win over some Jews who are on the fence.

To always

Rabbi Miller said, *If you keep speaking the truth eventually your enemies will quote you.” I’m glad to see that you took Seichel to task for insulting Rabbi Dr. Berger. Lubavichers are idolaters and so they lash out at anyone who challenges their false religion.

To the group

Menachem Shmei has categorically denied that Chabad is idolatry. All the evidence points otherwise. So how do we explain this? No one can accuse a Lubavicher of lying because they all eat Cholov Yisroel. Since the Rebbe declared in 1962 that he’s god clothed in human form it follows that Shmei holds that iRebbe is Hashem and so believing in him is believing in Hashem..Makes complete sense. But only after ingesting a large quantity of certain mushrooms. And let’s not forget the third Stooge, Lostspark. A few weeks ago he vehemently denied that any Lubavicher believes the Rebbe is god.Then he reverses himself and challenges me to respond to Seichel’s “proof” that the Rebbe is god. It is what it is.

To seichel

You did a good job pushing off my challenge from the Gemara in Cheilek. Now let me see you explain how the Rebbe can argue on the Gemara which says that there’s no Nevuah until Moshiach comes.

To Menachem Shmei

Philosopher presented the Cunin video in which he declared the Rebbe runs the world, which means he’s god.And he’s not some random nut job. He’s one of Chabad’s most powerful voices. And Seichel has officially declared his belief in the Chabad Trinity, Hashem, Yaakov and the Rebbe. These are the facts and all your protestations won’t change these facts. The question is not whether Chabad is idolatrous, it’s how widespread this idolatry is.

To the group
I just heard Zev Brenner interview Alan Dershowitz. The famous lawyer said he left Orthodoxy when he was 29. Zev tried to get him to “admit” that he still has some vestige of the religion because he said he’s close to Chabad. Dershowitz repeated that he doesn’t practice the religion. Zev told him that Lubavitchers probably put Tefilin on you. He said no way. Chabad just wants bodies in the seats, they couldn’t care less about their minions’ religiosity.
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To the group

About two weeks ago I predicted that cs would return and she did. The only way to explain this is to say that I’m a Novi. Now that goes against the Gemara but the Rebbe said that certain individuals can attain prophecy and I’m clearly one of them

To always

Let me develop the Miller Chabad connection. When Rabbi Miller was 17 a Lubavicher taught him Kesubos and didn’t charge him. This put him on his path of Torah and so he had Hakaras Hatov for Chabad. To that point in his public speeches he always praised Chabad and the Rebbe. When Rav Shach made his pronouncement Rabbi Miller was stuck between a rock and a hard place. He couldn’t go against the Godol Hador, but he’d look like a fool if he said he was wrong. So he copped out and declared, “When great people argue we don’t get involved.” Rabbi Miller said that if one continues to tell the truth eventually his enemies will quote him. If you listen with an open mind you’ll ultimately see that we’re right about Chabad.

To philosopher

That’s a big part of the book. My guess is that the Gedolim are afraid to start with Chabad because that would be playing into their hand. It would end up in court and Chabad would win. They’d have Dershowitz, Lewin and others supporting them. Frankly, I don’t understand why they don’t just make statements like Rabbi Belsky that Chabad is a cult and it doesn’t represent normative Judaism, but the last time I checked the Gedolim weren’t asking for my opinion..

To Seichel

I just want to repeat a point I made. You’re telling me that the Rabbis you cited all say that every Jew has a Cheilek in Olam Habo. That wasn’t my question. I asked you how your Rebbe could argue on the Gemara which said that Moshiach will save a small percentage of Jews. You’re mixing up subjects.

To yankel berel

You’re right as always and I say this because I mean it. I’m not a Michanef Chas Vesholom. The problem is that there are a host of Chabad “useful idiots” prominent Rabbis who go out of their way to praise the movement. I won’t name them but Hameivin Yavin. I think we now have a “trinity” on this site. Three powerful anti-Chabad voices, you, philosopher and yours truly(I don’t mean to slight the others we fully value your contributions). Maybe a better term than “trinity” is that we are a three-ply cord which isn’t easily severed. We are right. Hashem knows we’re right and with His help we’ll eliminate this cancer which has invaded Judaism’s body and now threatens to metastasize. To be sure we don’t wish any physical harm to Chabad and I want Chabad to continue doing its great work. But the deification of the Rebbe must end.

To cs

Welcome back and Mazel Tov. We can and will fight to defend Hashem’s honor but at the end of the day we must remember that Hitler, Hamas and all our existential enemies wouldn’t distinguish between us. So let’s keep the hate out as much as possible.

To Seichel
Please give me the proofs from the Rabbis you quoted that they reject this Gemara. I don’t read original Hebrew or Yiddish sources.

To philosopher

I don’t know if you read Dr. Berger’s book but he spoke extensively about the refusal of Gedolim to do anything despite all the evidence. He said that one Godol told him that we’re waiting for them to do something really bad. My guess is that they’re afraid to act because it could lead to a lawsuit and Chabad would probably win in court and in the court of world opinion.

To always

I’m not clear what point you’re making. I assume you have a question or challenge. I’d love to see it and respond to it.

To Lemayseh

I saw Telushkin’s book. He devoted a chapter near the end about the Rebbe being Moshiach. He said that this is the one problem with Chabad. Using his incredible Lomdus and Gaonis he paskened that the Rebbe completely rejected the idea he’s Moshiach.

To coffee addict

Bob Dylan wrote, “We all see the same things we just start out from a different point of view. ” Seichel will read that Maharsha
and convince himself that it’s saying his Pshat. I call the Rebbe. a Kofer because he rejected open Gemaras. One such Gemara is Sanhedrin 111A in which R Simai said that most Jews won’t be redeemed by Moshiach just as most Jews who left Egypt didn’t enter the land of Canaan. The Rebbe rejected this and said that Moshiach will save every single Jew. A few years ago I saw a Lubavichers saying this Gemara on line. First he stated the plain Pshat but then he added, “Of course that isn’t the real Pshat. He quoted some Rashi out of context to”prove” that every Jew will be saved. Such is the power of idolatry.

To the group

For two weeks Seichel pestered me to “reveal” which Mesechtas I’m learning insinuating that in fact I don’t learn at all. I finally told him it was Avodah Zarah, Berachos and Shabbos. That wasn’t good enough for him. Next he wanted to know what Daf I’m up to, so I told him Berachos 33a. Today he writes that I refused to tell him what I’m learning and this is proof that I don’t really learn. But Menachem Shmei is even worse. He continually challenged me to answer his holy question calling me a liar for ducking the question. I told him several times that no such question was ever asked so he should ask me again. Like the coward he is, he dropped the subject. The Gemara teaches that those who accuse others are invariably guilty of that act. Back in my youth there was a slogan, “You don’t have to be Jewish to love Levy’s(rye bread)”. You don’t have to be a lying, psychotic idolater to be Chabad, but isn’t it amazing how many Lubavitchers fit that description?