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To yankel berel
Everything we say goes in one Chabad ear and out the other and that’s why they make jokes about it. They’re convinced that the dead heretic is god so no argument has any effect on them. As you see, I never argue with them. I simply state the facts. There’s no hope for an idolater and so it’s Bittul Zman to try to show them the error of their ways. I write to encourage others to write and to convince those who are on the fence of the Chabad menace. Boruch Hashem we are succeeding.
To the group
Seichel wrote, “i don’t call you guys any bad names cuz I beleive Hashem and the Rebbe don’t want me to do that.” Now that’s interesting. Seichel actually put Hashem before the Rebbe. But wait, when he spelled believe he put the e before the I and so maybe he did this as a code to reverse the order of two of his three gods(Yaakov is the other.) Or perhaps we should follow the Gaon who said that the simplest answer is the truth and the simple answer is that Seichel is an idiot in addition to being an idolater.
To philosopher
You write beautifully and your arguments are compelling. Welcome to the thread.
To the group
Seichel uses classic Chabad “logic.” If you want to understand how the Rebbe became God study Chabad seforim. Boruch Hashem more and more people are waking up to the truth about Chabad. Hopefully the Gedolim will soon follow.
To Philosopher
One picture is worth a thousand words. I’ve been saying this for two years since I started writing for YWN and VIN. Cunin is an idolater who not only believes the Rebbe is god but he’s devoted his life to spreading this idolatry. He’s the ultimate Choei Umachtei.
To the group
I repeat what I said this morning. Menachem Shmei has never asked me a compelling, tangible question. Don’t pay any attention to this worthless liar. The reason he won’t ask me his magical question is that he can’t do so without exposing himself as an idolater like Cunin whom he refuses to denounce.
To Menachem Shmei
Who do you think the group will believe, a liar like you or yours truly? Checkmate
To the group
When most think about Amalek, Haman immediately comes to mind. Those anti-Semites who want to eradicate us physically are one manifestation of Amalek. But Chazal note that Amalek and Safeik have the same Gematria and so there’s also a spiritual element, the enemies who want to sever our relationship with Hashem. If we look at the 20th century, Hitler represented physical Amalek while Stalin presided over the spiritual realm. I would assert that in our generation Chabad is a spiritual Amalek. Yes, these “innocent” young men and women who travel the world putting on Tefilin on disenfranchised males and giving candles to such females. Now that’s a beautiful thing and it should be encouraged however, when it comes times to talk about Judaism Hashem is never mentioned rather it’s all about the Rebbe, and sometimes the other Chabad Nesiim.
Menachem Shmei is a bright guy. He reminds me of a lawyer who knows his client committed the crime but tries to get him off by introducing reasonable doubt. So we have Rabbi Cunin who said that the Rebbe runs the world and he’ll take us out of Golus. Now this implies that Cunin believes that the Rebbe is god. So Shmei responds that we don’t have absolute proof that Cunin thinks the Rebbe is god. Here’s the flaw in that argument. For Amalek all that’s needed is a Sofek. So Shmei won’t say what Cunin actually believes. And that’s Amalek.
So Shmei will answer, “But according to Qwerty’s “logic” Kalev was Amalek, and the rabbis who attributed god-like qualities to Rebbes are also Amalek. So let’s address that challenge. Kalev was part of the Dor Hadeiah. The Midrash tells us that even a slave woman had a greater perception of Hashem than Yechezkel Ben Buzi. So there was no thought of anyone thinking that he meant that Moshe and not Hashem performed the myriads of miracles. He spoke about Ben Amram because he was piggy backing onto the words of the Meraglin to shut them up. So too the Rebbes who made statements that could sound like Kefirah, C’V, were addressing Yirei Shamayim who would certainly understand their context. In contrast Chabad’s minions know absolutely nothing about Judaism and so when they hear that the Rebbe is god they take it literally and this is Amalek. I’ll end with a story. I was in my Chabad Shul’s Sukkah last Sukkos. Two fellows looked at each other and one said, “Everything we have in our lives is from the Rebbe.” The other said, “Of course. We live in the shadow of the Rebbe.” The Rabbis of the shul don’t intentionally brainwash the congregants, but they only speak about the Rebbe and never Hashem so this is the outcome.
To the group
This morning I made a simple request to Menachem Shmei to actually formulate a question which I’ll try to answer. Shmei cites my request and continues to call me a liar for not answering his non-existent question(s). This is bordering on schizophrenia territory.
To Menachem Shmei
The moderators and myself are Yirei Shomayim. We understand the gravity of denigrating a Godol B’Yisroel. Therefore I would never say the things I’ve said about Oso Harebbe unless I was absolutely certain that my contentions are correct. In addition I have spoken to my Rabbonim and they are in complete agreement with me. Moreover, the moderators obviously agree with me or they wouldn’t print what I’ve said. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, the Rebbe rejected open Gemaras because they were at odds with his agenda.
To Menachem Shmei
I looked at the post and I don’t understand your question. I don’t read Yiddish. You have a very good command of English so formulate a question and I’ll try to answer it.
To coffee addict
Welcome to the club. Shmei will never give up. He’s like his Rebbe very smart but very Meshuga.
To the group
In case you didn’t hear Cunin’s quote he said, “Make no mistake. The Rebbe runs the world and “HE” will take us out of Golus.”
So now you’re interpreting what he said as, “Hashem runs the world and He will take us out of Galus through His shliach the Rebbe.” Now that’s obviously a forced Pshat but for argument’s sake, we’ll accept it. So here’s the question, “Does any other Jewish group(Chassidish, Litvish Sfard you name it) declare their religious leader G-d’s partner?” And the answer is checkmate.To Menachem Shmei
You’re pretending not to understand “Always Ask’s” point by taking your perfunctory shot at Misnagdim. Always was comparing Chabad’s slavish devotion to Oso Harebbe. Despite his lies and Kefirah they call him a Novi, the only perfect person who ever lived, still alive despite having died etc. In contrast, Moshe Rabbeinu, the greatest man who ever lived was assailed on numerous occasions, as the Torah attests. So yes, Chabad’s insane devotion to that Kofer is far more fanatic than the respect that Moshe was accorded. And therefore Yankel Berel’s point is confirmed. You can’t compare Chabad to any other Chassidic group. No Bobover thinks Reb Shlomo is still alive. No Satmar thinks that Reb Yoeli runs the world. And no Gerrer thinks that the Sfas Emes is god or that the Imrei Emes was a Navi. And if you try your shtick and say how do I know what they’re thinking the answer is simple. No Chossid of any such groups ever promoted their Rebbe as all of those things which Chabad does ad nauseum. Well, actually there was a group like that and they started a new religion about 2000 years ago. Checkmate.
To the group
In case you didn’t hear Cunin’s quote he said, “Make no mistake. The Rebbe runs the world and “HE” will take us out of Golus.”
Anybody hearing that understands that he meant that it’s the Rebbe and “NOT” Hashem. And if that lunatic didn’t understand how his words would be interpreted then he should be removed for being an idiot. Try again, liar.To Menachem Shmei
You’re pretending not to understand “Always Ask’s” point by taking your perfunctory shot at Misnagdim. Always was comparing Chabad’s slavish devotion to Oso Harebbe. Despite his lies and Kefirah they call him a Novi, the only perfect person who ever lived, still alive despite having died etc. In contrast, Moshe Rabbeinu, the greatest man who ever lived was attacked on numerous occasions, as the Torah attests. So yes, Chabad’s insane devotion to that Kofer is far more fanatic than the respect that Moshe was accorded. And therefore Yankel Berel’s point is confirmed. You can’t compare Chabad to any other Chassidic group. No Bobover thinks Reb Shlomo is still alive. No Satmar thinks that Reb Yoeli runs the world. And no Gerrer thinks that the Sfas Emes is god or that the Imrei Emes was a Navi. And if you try your shtick and say how do I know what they’re thinking the answer is simple. No Chossid of any such groups ever promoted their Rebbe as all of those things which Chabad does ad nauseum. Well actually there was a group like that started a new religion about 2000 years ago. Checkmate.
To Menachem Shmei
You have an annoying habit of accusing me of not answering your questions when in fact no questions were actually posed. You’ve been doing this since I joined YWN, in a feeble attempt to impugn my integrity. I have answered every question sent to me by any poster. So tell me exactly what you want to know. But I have a question for you, “Why do you keep on writing? Everybody on YWN including the moderators is now squarely anti-Chabad. Do you think that your sophomoric proofs are impressing any real Jews?
To Menachem Shmei
When you address Cunin’s statement. I’ll respond to your “questions.”
To always
I’m happy to see your response. My target audience are Jews like you who aren’t sure what to make of Chabad. Those in this thread like Yankel Berel, myself, DaMoshe et. al. have clearly made the case that Chabad is an idolatrous religion which has nothing to do with Judaism except that they perform the same rituals, Shabbos Kashrus etc. Their belief system, which is the Ikkar of Judaism, is completely different because they believe that the Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. It’s my goal to wake as many Jews up to the truth as possible.
To the group
I come to praise Menachem Shmei and to bury him. Menachem is a bright guy and he writes well. He debates well and in his mind he wins all the arguments. That may be true. However there’s a referee for all these contests and He’s in Shomayim. He’s not impressed with Shmei’s tricks. We know Him as Hashem and He’s a jealous G-d.
To Seichel
Berachos 33A. Are you going to show me that you know some Pshat that I’m not familiar with? That’s possible but I don’t care. I spoke to my Rav on Shabbos. He’s Baki in Shas and said that there is no Gemara which says that Yaakov is god. You are a liar as are your landsmen. Checkmate.
To the group
Let’s just bang another nail into Shmei’s theory that Chabad is no different than Bobov and Satmar par examples. We exhibit 1 million Rabbi Shlomo Cunin who publicly stated that the Rebbe alone runsa the world. This means that he holds that the Rewbbe is god. There’s no other way to spin it. Since the Chabad machers and psycho Rabbis refuse to denounce Cunin they are endorsing his view. Therefore the Chazakah is that all Lubavichers are idolaters. Case closed. Ok, checkmate. Go back into your bunker Shmei. No one’s interested in the garbage you’re peddling.
To the group
I don’t go to the Chabad shul davka to spy on the movement but when the opportunity presents why not? Last year one of the Rabbis read a letter from the Rebbe in which he described what sets the Chabad Nesiim apart from all other Rebbes. He said that every Chabad Nasi is the Nosi Hador, the Moshe Rabbeinu Hador, and the Moshiach Hadot. So there you have it, all other Gedolim need not apply. Oso Harebbe already decided. When we combine this with Dr. Berger’s statement that the Rebbe envisioned conquering the world and the Chabad song to that effect, everything is quite clear. When the Rebbe was a tot, he dreamed he was ruler of the world. He then spent his entire existence trying to make that dream a reality. And now his braindead followers continue on that path to destruction, even denying the existence of Hashem who was replaced in a coup by Oso Harebbe. This is the truth and no one is buying Shmei’s feeble attempt to portray Chabad as an innocent Chassidic sect no different than the others. There are plenty of fools like Efrem Goldberg who happily drink the Chabad Kooolaid but more and more people are waking up to the truth. We owe a great Hakaras Hatov to YWN for allowing us to speak the truth. When I got close to a breakthrough in VIN Chabad ordered the thread to not only shut down but also to disappear. Boruch Hashem that’s not the case with YWN.
To coffee addict
I accept what you wrote and let’s focus on the task at hand exposing these lying idolaters.
To yankel berel
As usual you nailed it.I expect that Cardinal Shmei will demand that I answer his challenge and I’ll simply direct him to your post. I’d like to piggy back on to something you said last week ie that Chabad wants to eliminate mainstream Judaism and replace it with their pseudo religion. It’s far worse than that. Several years ago I spoke to Dr. Berger. He told me that the Rebbe often spoke about conquering the world. When Lubavitchers are tots they’re taught this song, “From 770 we are marching out, on to victory there is no doubt, one by one nations we are conquering. ”
To coffee addict
We can add not being Dan Lkaf Zechus to your sins. Keep messing with me. I can be very nice but I can go the other way too if I’m provoked.r
To Coffee addict
It’s interesting that all three Lubavitchers in the thread have praised me. When I started writing last year Menachem Shmei said that I have excellent writing skills. This year Lostspark said that I’m entertaining. And Seichel wants to be my Chavrusa. Now they have legitimate reasons to hate me. You, on the other hand, have no reason to dislike me. We are on the same side of the issues. And I’ve praised you. You are guilty of violating Veahavta Lereiacha Komacha and Sinat Chinam. You’re in serious trouble dude.
To coffee addict
You stated that I praised your comments regarding Chabad. In addition I noted that your moniker was very clever. So you admit that I never said anything negative about you, yet your life revolves around convincing Hashem that I’m evil. Again you’re sick.
To coffee addict
You’ve now stated that we are in total agreement on the only two issues I’ve discussed on YWN, Chabad and watching TV i.e. con on the first and pro on the second. This said let’s try to understand why you’re so obsessed with proving that I’m a cross between Hitler and Stalin. Following the Gaon’s dictum, “The simplest answer is the truth.” We must conclude that you are insane and/or insanely jealous of me. Checkmate.To coffee addict
So you say that you weren’t part of the group that tried to lynch me over watching TV. I have no intention of going through that thread so I’ll take your word for it. So that means you agree to with me that watching TV is perfectly acceptable. So let me ask you, “How big is your TV and in which room(s) you keep it?
To coffee
So you agree with me that Chabad is an illegitimate religion and that the Lubavitchers, at least in this thread, are liars. Well, midvar sheker tirchok teaches us not only to stay far from lying but also from liars and so I won’t address any of the comments from the Lubavitchers, except to say checkmate.
To the group
No group in the history of Judaism has ever had its adherents state openly and unequivocally that their Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. I take that back, because I don’t want Coffee addict to accuse me of lying. There was a group about 2000 years ago. You probably heard of them. And what a coincidence each group thinks its dead leader is god. Checkmate.
To the group
Lostspark and Coffee both deny that they hate me. As my mother used to say, “Siz lacht tze redden.” Talk is cheap. What sets me apart from those individuals is that I’m not a one-trick pony. Yes, I can be critical and I have an acerbic wit. I’ll quote Jason Maoz, former editor of the Jewish Press, “You write very well, but the reason we print you is because people hate your guts, and hate sells.” So I admit that my writing elicits venom, however, I can also be pleasant and complimentary as evidenced by my exchanges with yankel berel, always ask and others. The two I mentioned, on the other hand, are always nasty and condescending. To say you don’t hate me means nothing. I’m a writer so I pick up nuances. If you learn to speak to me with respect I will respond in kind. Unfortunately, as the expression goes, “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.”
To Lostspark
I feel the same about you. It’s a frightening thought there are Jews who don’t believe in Hashem. Amazingly, you and Sechel don’t even pretend to believe in Him. That’s how devoted you are to your god.
To coffee
Let’s say you’re right and I’m a hypocrite for calling Lubavichers idolaters and attending a Chabad shul. So which D’Oraysa or Rabonon have I violated? The answer is none. But that’s never stopped you from attacking me. Last year you tried to have me taken off YWN because I said I watch TV which, as my rav said, isn’t even Rabbinically forbidden. On the other hand, you refuse to criticize the Lubavichers who have openly stated that their Rebbe is god. That makes you a supporter of idolatry, and according to Rabbi Akiva, you have the Din of an idolater. Ok. Chillax, I know you don’t agree with Chabad. Your problem is that you’re so obsessed with proving that I’m a goy you’re no longer rational.
To coffee addict
Do you think I wrote that mind-numbingly stupid text? That was another Lubavicher doing what he could to get rid of me. As for your question, I believe it’s been answered. I attend a Chabad shul because I have no other choice if I want to Daven with a minyan. Does the shul have the status of an idolatrous temple? Obviously not. For that to occur the Gedolim would have to issue a Psak. Is it idolatry when Lubavichers state that the Rebbe is god? If you can’t answer that question you’ve got a problem. Now tell me what you want me to answer. Unlike the lying Lubavichers, I address every question that I’m asked.
To Benedict Addict
As yankel berel explained my hatred of Chabad is not Sinas Chinam, because I have valid reasons for hating them(again I have no personal animosity for them I just reject their idolatrous religion. In addition, those Lu8bavichers who hate me aren’t guilty of Sinat Chinam, because I mock and disparage their dead god. On the other hand, you are guilty of Sinas Chinam because you have no reason to hate me, but you do. So I challenge you to explain your hatred. Checkmate.
To the Group
When Rabbi Shachter’s comment was introduced to the thread, to wit that many Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe and not Hashem, Lostspark categorically denied it and asserted that anyone who does so is an idolater. Now, just a few weeks later, the liar does a 180 and supports Seichel’s thesis that the Rebbe is god because Yaakov Avinu is god C”V. Lubavichers, by definition, have no shame because their god is in a box. Therefore they lie indiscriminately. Shakespeare wrote, “Vanity the name is woman. If the Bard lived in these times he’d likely say, “Insanity thy name is Chabad.”
To yankel berel
It’s interesting that the Lubavitchers don’t ever concede a single point. We readily admit the truth e.g. the Rebbe was a gaon, many Lubavitchers are nice people. But Chabad only attacks. They behave like Doson and Aviram when Moshe tried to talk sense to them They treat us like we’re Christians trying to push our religion on them. They can’t acknowledge that we’re right in any way as that would lead them to question whether their religion is true or not.
To Menachem Shmei
You wonder why the moderators print my “calumny.” The Vilna Gaon, Chabad’s favorite Rabbi provides the solution. The greatest Rabbi of the last 300 years said, “The simplest answer is the truth.” The simple truth is that the moderators agree that Chabadianity is idolatry. And why not? You’re clearly stating that Oso Harebbe is god.
To Lostspark
I see. So you don’t think that Hashem will question those Lubavitchers who say that the Rebbe is god. For your sake I hope you’re right, but I highly doubt it. Actually I bought a set of Urim Vtumim from eBay. They really work and so I do know G-d ‘s thoughts.
To yankel berel
Thanks for defending me, but it’s not necessary. Look I might be wrong for davening in that shul but I have no other choice if I want to daven with a minyan. And if I davened at home my wife would kill me.
To Benedict Addict
Hashem will deal with you. And unlike the Lubavitchers you believe in G-d(probably).
To the whole thread
I’ll share something interesting. I just finished Maariv at the Chabad shul. Between Mincha and Maariv the Rabbi spoke about Shema. He said that there are 10 Mitzvahs in Shema and started enumerating them T he first Mitzvah is to believe in Hashem The second is to know that there is only one god. Sounds nice, but his brother said that Hashem and the Rebbe run the world together. I never challenge any of the brothers, there are three, but they’re totally mixed up.I don’t say anything because they can’t hear the truth. But they are truly nice people.
To the Jews in the Group
It’s amazing that we have the Zchus to see Chazal’s words come to life for us, Growing up I thought that idolatry was a superstition. Now we see how real it is. These Lubavichers are so lost(spark) that they don’t even realize how hopeless they are. Hashem took away Paroah’s free will, their god robbed them of their ability to recognize truth. Rabbi Miller said that Gehinnom is the world of regret. These Lubavichers will be shown these posts and Hashem will ask them why the messages didn’t get through to them. Like Korach who ultimately said that Moshe is Emes, they’ll realize that Qwerty and Yankel Berel and all the others were Emes, but by that time it will be too late.
To Seichel
I’d like to address the point you made about Yaakov Avinu being god. Clearly you believe that esoteric statements should be understood literally. What’s interesting is that your Rebbe/god didn’t agree with that position. The question of the age of the universe is debated in Rabbinic circles. Most Rabbis don’t accept the literal view of “six days 5784” but the Rebbe did espouse that opinion. When asked about the Midrash which said that there were many worlds which existed before ours he famously answered, “those were spiritual not physical worlds” and so they don’t contradict the classical belief. It would follow that he would also explain the Midrash regarding Yaakov being god in a non-literal fashion. BTW you said there’s a which says that Gemara that Yaakov is god. Please cite that Gemara because I’m not familiar with it.
To Seichel
I’d like to address the point you made about Yaakov Avinu being god. Clearly you believe that esoteric statements should be understood literally. What’s interesting is that your Rebbe/god didn’t agree with that position. The question of the age of the universe is debated in Rabbinic circles. Most Rabbis don’t accept the literal view of “six days 5784” but the Rebbe did espouse that opinion. When asked about the Midrash which said that there were many worlds which existed before ours he famously answered, “those were spiritual not physical worlds” and so they don’t contradict the classical belief. It would follow that he would also explain the Midrash regarding Yaakov being god in a non-literal fashion. BTW you said there’s a which says that Gemara that Yaakov is god. Please cite that Gemara because I’m not familiar with it.
No one should pay attention to qwarty 613,He is really crazy and hates Lubavitchers because he couldn’t do the semicha by them.That is the reason and not anything else.
To Lostspark
I’m so full of anger I just can’t respond to Seichel’s unimpeachable sources. You, on the other hand, are the voice of reason. So why don’t you explain what it means that Yaakov is god? Did he create the universe? Of course, you’re a lying coward like your landsman Shmei so you never answer any question that the real Jews ask.
To coffee
Shame on you for siding with the idolaters. You’re still angry at me because I said last year that I watch TV
To Lostspark
You use the term “Sinas Chinam” inappropriately. Sinas Chinam means baseless hatred. The implication is that if one has a justifiable reason to hate another Jew(s) he is permitted and probably obligated to do so. Was Pinchas wrong for what he did? Quite the opposite. I have clearly proved that there is a substantial element within Chabad who are overt idolaters. Sechel has stated clearly that the Rebbe is god. Rabbi Cunin stated publicly that the Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. This isn’t Korov to idolatry it is outright idolatry and since you refuse to condemn such statements one must conclude that you agree with them. If you don’t then answer my challenge and say that Sechel, Cunin and his adherents are idolaters and I renounce them. Of course you won’t do so because you’re too busy attacking YU and Touro. As for my position vis a vis the Rebbe. He was a Kofer and I’ve offered clear-cut evidence. One of my closest Rabbeim said, “The Rebbe’s Gaavah was so enormous he convinced himself he was god.” I know that you want to portray as this wild-eyed zealot who hates Lubavichers. If you saw me interact in Shul you’d have a very different picture. Everyone welcomes me when I come to shul in the morning because I daven for the Amud every day. Look most of my patients are Christians does that mean that I hate them because we have a different religion? I like most Lubavichers that I know as people but their religion isn’t Judaism AFAIC.
To Coffee Addict
Their are only three shuls in my neighborhood with daily minyanim. Two are Chabad and one is a YI with a Chabad Rabbi who I can’t stand. I won’t give up davening with a minyan and so I attend the shul I go to. I didn’t say that all Lubavichers are idolaters. What I said is that since no one repudiates those who openly state that the Rebbe is god it would seem that they should be judged as idolaters. Of course that’s not my call. Hashem has to make any such decisions and until our Gedolim pasken that one can’t daven in a place with Lubavichers I’m certainly permitted to do so.
To Seichel
Congratulations you’re now officially a Christian since you believe in the Trinity, Hashem, Yaakov Avinu and Oso Harebbe.
To Lostspark
Are you ready to disassociate yourself from Seichel or are you too busy trying to shut down YU and Touro for producing doctors and lawyers? Whatever, it’s case closed, Chabad is idolatry. To Menachem Shmei checkmate dude.
To always
I agree with you that there are many wonderful Lubavitchers. The Rabbis of the shul I go to are terrific and we’ve been friends for years. However I heard the following from two of the congregants, “Everything we have in our lives comes from the Rebbe. To which the other said, “Of course, we live in the shadow of the Rebbe.,” These are Russian Jews who didn’t know Aleph Bes ten years ago. The Rabbis never mention Hashem. It’s a steady diet of the Rebbe and the people automatically become believers. I’m not telling you what to believe. I like that you have a mind of your own, but according to my observations the Rebbe is very much to blame.
To Seichel
I take about 25 hours for every blatt. I’ve been learning Shabbos for more than 12 years. I have a certain system. I’m answering you because I try to answer each question. Now you have an annoying habit of misquoting people. First you said that the Rabbis on Lichtenstein s program said that the Rebbe is Moshiach which was a total lie, now you accuse me of comparing Elokistim and Meshichistim. I didn’t say that. It was Rav Aharon Feldman. As far as I’m concerned every Lubavicher has the Din of an Elokistim because no one criticizes the maniacs like you and Cunin who claim that the Rebbe is god. As for your Midrash., I agree with it. My name is Yaakov and so you’ve convinced me that I’m god who created worlds. But seriously if you think that Midrashim must all be accepted literally then you obviously believe that Adam had relations with every creature in the universe on the day he was created.
To Yserbius
It sounds like you’re challenging me but we’re totally on the same page. Rabbi Feldman is courageous and has taken a public stand but I know many other mainstream Rabbis who are fully aware of the Chabad scourge but they don’t want to get involved. It’s amazing how these Lubavichers keep pitching. Menachem Shmei disappeared because he realized the futility of their cause. He can protest otherwise but no one is buying his nonsense. Boruch Hashem Lostspark and Seichel haven’t given up. The lunacy that they present does more to damage Chabadianity than anything we mainstream posters can say. It calls to mind the sage words of Mark Twain, “When you keep your mouth shut I only think you’re stupid, but when you open it all doubt is removed.”
To Yserbius
Rav Aharon is one of the few Rabbinic leaders who has spoken out against Chabad and he has done so for years. He said that the Meshichistim don’t bother him, it’s the Elokistim, those who believe that the Rebbe is god who worry him. It’s becoming more and more apparent that those Lubavitchers who think that the Rebbe is Moshiach also think that he’s god. If that sounds like Christianity it’s because it is the same. T he problem with Chabad is that if a Rabbi doesn’t publicly denounce them they announce that such Rabbi endorses them. Even those Rabbis who did endorse Chabad like Miller and Sacks would reject the idea that he’s Moshiach or god.
To always
Thank you for your comment. I don’t write to change Chabad’s “,mind ” They are idolaters and by definition they are no longer in charge of their senses. I write to reach people like you who aren’t convinced as to the depths of Chabad’s depravity. The more they respond the . more obvious it is that their religion is not Judaism. And don’t think that the Rebbe gets a pass. Unfortunately most Jews who’ve decided that Chabad is kosher will ignore the facts at all costs. But I’m glad that you see what a despicable liar Lostspark is. He’ll say anything to cover up for his fellow zombies.
To Lostspark
“Some nut jobs in 770 allegedly davening to the Rebbe.,” That would include Rabbi Cunin who stated that the Rebbe runs the world. That is clear-cut idolatry. He is in charge of thousands of Lubavitchers. So no this isn’t about a a few psychotics in CH. The Chazakah is that all Lubavitchers are idolaters.
To always
You’re a decent person so I’ll address your comments accordingly..I certainly agree that when there’s a pressing need innovation is called for. Sarah Shenirer is a prime example. But the Rebbe rejected open Gemaras. The Gemara says that there is no Nevuah until Moshiach. The Rebbe said that certain individuals did attain that status including his father-in-law. With that statement his followers assumed that he’s also a Navi. Therefore when he said that Moshiach’s arrival is imminent they accepted it as a Nevuah and so it can’t be challenged. There’s more but I want to respond to the other posters.
To Lostspark
When the subject of Lubavitchers davening to the Rebbe came up you dismissed it like Kotlarsky. Now you change your tune and say it’s just a few nut jobs. In fact it’s a significant percentage and since the leadership refuses to say anything it becomes Shtika Kihoda. Nice try to shift the focus to YU but that’s not the subject of this thread. As for why the Gedolim haven’t ruled that Chabad is illegitimate. That was a major topic in Dr. Berger’s book. He said that all the Gedolim he spoke to agreed with him but said they didn’t want to get involved. It’s not my place to challenge them.
To Seichel
I learn Avodah Zarah, Berachos and Shabbos..Most of the time is on Berachos. I try to make a Siyum every year for my Chabad shul on Erev Pesach. By the way I take about 25 hours to learn a blatt, because I write questions and answers. I have haskama from R Dovid Feinstein’s son-in-law so I could care less what you think. As for your statement that the Rebbe declared himself the Bore Olam in the sixties and Rav Moshe didn’t protest. Real Jews don’t believe that their Rabbis are prophets. Rav Moshe didn’t have spies reporting to him as to what was going on in CH.
To skripka
The reason I asked Seichel to answer my questions is because I wanted his answers There are mainstream Jews who still refuse to accept that Chabadianity is nothing but insanity. The more that these lunatics express their views the clearer this truth becomes.
To yankel berel
Hashem will decide if they’re Tinkos Shenishba. Since they know enough to lie and cover up for their dead god I’m not so sure.
To Lostspark
Congratulations you bear me lol. Until the Gedolim pasken that davening in a Chabad minyan is Assur I’ll continue to do so. Nice try.
OO no
To always
I see. So according to you when there’s a pressing need one is allowed to change the Torah. Thank you for agreeing with with me that the Rebbe was a reformed Rabbi.
To Lostspark
I will reiterate what I said. Ruba Druba of Lubavitchers are liars. But each has his own style. Rabbi Schachter didn’t say “a rumored small contingent in Chabad who may or may not be davening to the Rebbe.” Those are your words the words of a liar. What the Rosh Yeshiva said is that some Lubavitchers daven to the Rebbe and this is idolatry. He was very clear. I don’t lie because my G-d hates liars. But your dead god was a liar so Kal VChomer his followers. As for Lichtenstein having the din of an idolater that’s for Hashem to decide.
To yankel berel
Your post is well taken. Too many of the posters are afraid to acknowledge that the Rebbe is to blame for Chabadianity. One of Rav Moshe’s grandsons told me that I was completely correct about Chabad but not about the Rebbe. I asked him why he said this and he told me that a number of people he trusts told him that the Rebbe was beyond reproach .I told him to give me those Rabbis phone numbers and I’ll set them straight. In the Yeshiva world too much emphasis is put on Torah knowledge. Yes the Rebbe was a gaon in Torah, but he rejected open Gemaras that didn’t jibe with his agenda.
To Seichel
I wake up at 4:30 in the morning and I learn for 2 and a half hours, until Shachris at 7:00. Then I learn for an hour on the train while going to work that’s 3.5 hours. I learn about 2 hours a day at my office between patients. That’s 5.5 hours. Another hour on the train going home. Finally I learn for a half hour between Mincha and Maariv. Some days it’s more than 7 some days it’s less depending on how busy I am at work. Don’t you dare call me a liar. By the way learn how to spell liar and nonsense you numb-skull. As the Gemara says, if you accuse someone of something it’s what you’re guilty of. Q.E.D you are a liar as are Ruba Druba of Lubavichers.
To Lostspark
No one said that Rabbi Shachter or any of the Rabbis on that show offered a blanket condemnation of Chabad. Rabbi Shachter said that some Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe and that’s Avodah Zarah. Then Kotlarsky had the nerve to deny that “any” Lubavicher davens to the Rebbe. I guess he wasn’t aware of the psycho Cunin who stated on YouTube that the Rebbe runs the world. Since it’s the Rebbe and not Hashem, who’s in charge, Cunin obviously davens to him. Since Krinsky and Kotlarsky refused to criticize Cunin it means they endorse him and according to Rabbi Akiva anyone who supports idolatry is an Idolater. So let’s hear you write to the group that Cunin is an idolater and should be removed from his position.