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yosef

Thats what I did at my Chasuna! Though perhaps I am wrong but the sense among the wedding I went to was like Sam said and I said earlier.

Unfortunatly more rabbanim showed up than expected so I gave one of them Krias hatenaim. He was visibly upset and stormed out immediately after

While there is no question both are liars Tom Friedman Said it best in a piece entitled

here is an excerpt:

and his conclusion

“What is grating about Hillary is that her prevarications seem so unnecessary and often insult our intelligence. But they are not about existential issues. As for Trump, his lies are industrial size and often contradict each other. But there is no theory behind his lies, except what will advance him, which is why Trump is only scary if he wins. Otherwise, his candidacy will leave no ideas behind. It will just be a reality TV show that got canceled.”

zahavsdad

while Trump may not be an-antisemite (and I agree he isnt, he isnt anti-anything the only thing he stands for is Trump) He has repeatedly shown a tolerance for the antisemites and racists in his midst as long as they support him which is worrisome

While black on black crime is certainly a problem:

a. that is largely gang violence which while bad, if a perosn isnt involved in a gang he is unlikely to be killed by “black crime” for driving round with a busted taillight or selling loose cigarettes.

b. PArt of the problem is the lack of accoumtability. We all saw the video of Eric Garner’s death (execution?). I definitely understand losing faith in the system when his murderers (whether intentional or not) wont even stand trial for their crime (again intentional or not).

c. Police should be held to a higher standard than criminals. Saying Well “black criminals” are killing balcks too so why does it matter if the police do it, Just doesnt make a lot of sense.

d. I dont think protesting drug dealers would get them to stop their criminal ways. Protesting the police/government on the other hand (obviously non-violently) is a wholly reasonable way to demand change.

Joseph

it certainly isn’t the be-all-end-all however if you rely on the CRC or OUI for that matter then you are relying on any hashgacha they deem reliable (including the BVK) since the CRC (or OU) accept ingredients with those hashgachas in a final product that they may supervise.

OF course if you do not rely on the CRC (and by extention other members of AKO) then the fact that the CRC says it is reliable doesn’t matter to you

CA

cucumbers are indeed fruit as well.

Lettuce however, are leaves

“I don’t see how the ingredients in all of these devices can be effectively banned.”

They cant, but I assume you agree that bombs should not be readily available at bomb shows and certainly not without a background check and doubly certainly not to those on a terror watch list.

(BTW consider the 2nd amendment doesnt mention “guns” it refers to arms So im not sure why I dont have the same right to nuclear arms, and fighter jets as to guns)

Yes we cant stop EVERY shooting, much like we cant stop every bombing (though your statistics arent impressive while obviously a tragedy for those 699 people out of over 300,000,000 that is not a big number) but that is an absurd reason not to stop some. These mass shootings are not as common in other countries. We have to be allowed to at least research as to why that is. Beleive it or not since the Dickey amendment in 96′ the CDC is effectively banned from even researching gun violence out of concern of where it might lead (namely gun control). And then gun nuts say we cant be strict about gun control because no research shows it will help!

I don’t meet your criteria for someone who started learing later. Howqever if you have a passing familiarity with Yiddish I have friends who have furthered their comfort by both listening to shiurim and reading childrens books.

stay away from guides to teach Yiddish, because today (at least among chasidim) there is no formal Yiddish teaching with grammar and such. You pick up what people around you say. So for example wheras in “real” Yiddish as in Hebrew nouns are either feminine and masculine. In spoken Yiddish you say what “sounds right” so an emphasis on grammar is a bit misplaced

Good luck

DY Of course that is true

The following are true as well:

Chareidim want to believe in daas Torah because they are afraid to make their own decisions (heard from R’ Aaron Feldman).

Chareidim want to believe in daas Torah because they want a go to argument that can end any discussion about what they already decided. (heard from R’ Michel Shurkin)

Obviously there are other reasons as well and different people have different reasons but those are the two most common ones I’ve come across.

And dont even think of arguing, after all it is Daas Torah! (see what I did)

Nope Joseph is wrong

“”what siddur/nusach does bobov use”

Nusach Sfard.

Incorrect. They have a tzans nusach the siddur used in shul is Tzilusa d’Shlomeh. While being quite similar to nusach sefard there are differences. For example they end Atah Chonen with “deah binah vehaskel” unlike nusach sefard.

“where are the biggest communities”

Boro Park, Brooklyn, NY.

Correct

“what differentiates it from other chassidish sects?”

Who said they’re different?

All Chasidish sects are different. See above regarding nusach. bobov wear tefilin on chol hamoed prior to wedding (granted this isn’t limited to bobov but most chasidim don’t wear tefilin on chol hamoed). There are of course differences in dress compared to say Satmar. (I don’t think they wear bow on hat on Left like viznitz does (also tsanz) but im not sure)

A_y

“I hope people are not comparing themselves to Yisro…”

Why on Earth not? I’d venture to say that the difference between Yisro and Moshe is less than that between us and R” Chaim Kanievesky. Besides so who where these pesukim written for if not for us? Is it just an interesting historical lesson that Yisro once questioned Moshe but is not applicable in future generations ch”v?

“Would Yisro have given his blessings to the endeavor saying, …”

Probably not, but I don’t know.

Wrong in fact questions/doubts/suggestions Should be voiced. Eizehu Chacham Halomed mikal adom. Not Alomed mikal adam chutz mikindirgarteners

Entirely true, but irrelevant.

Yes but it is possible.

Sorry to let you down Golfer

I guess I’m not as learned as you thought. I have absolutely no idea what You are trying to say. Am I looking in the write place?

I looked here http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14261&st=&pgnum=89

passuk yud

Just to back up. I am saying only one thing: That laypeople can (and should) question opinions of Gedolim. Not that the opinions should be ignored, not that it should be done in a chutzpadik way etc.

Joseph

do you guess your information?

from The UN library website:

“The nature of the resolution determines if it is considered binding on States…

In general, resolutions adopted by the Security Council acting under Chapter VII of the Charter, are considered binding… Legal scholars have various opinions on this question… “

So while “in general” security council resolutions are legally binding, clearly not all are.

Joseph

Yes that is because the British turned over the “Palestine Question” to the UN.

That doent mean they are relevant when it comes to opinions that arent asked of them. The UN has condmened Israel countless times (with and without the U.S.’s vote) while it doesnt look good it doesnt really matter.

I’m not sure what you mean.

I am saying that laypeople have a right to have (and voice) an opinion.

Moshe Rabbeinu did not tell Yisro, keep your opinion to yourself “A child in kindergarten doesn’t comment on the opinion of a professor in a university”

Hardly DY.

I am not bolstering any opinion. When I want to I certainly know how, you have seen my extended rants on more than one occasion. I am just adding a helpful tidbit to point out things aren’t as black and white as some seem to think.

In the other case you are referring to, I added a pasuk (before your mareh mekomos were visible) which is not taken out of context. As I understand it it is a clearly saying that the burden of milchama should be shared by all. Now obviously there is what to be said as learning also protects, perhaps todays milchama doesn’t have the same staus as then etc etc. I did not say (and di not mean to imply) that the passuk is open and shut case to the OP’s post. THe OP was asking for mareh mekomos and I provided, what I believe to be a relevant one. I have never attended a shiur where a person brought up a topic and said here is the pasuk, veiter next topic, and am surprised that you think that is what I meant.

Similarly in this situation. The idea that laymen cant have an opinion on something that Gedolim discuss, is foregin to Traditional Judaism. This is a yet a new twist on the “Daas Torah” innovation. At least with classical Daas torah (as I understand it) we are mevatel our Daas to Gedolim, but are allowed to have opinions. American_yerushalmi seems to be saying that we are no allowed to have an opinion at all once the Gedolim have spoken.. I don’t understand how the passuk is “taken out of context” As I understand the incident. Yisro saw A Gadol doing something wrong and he voiced his opinion. Obviously with derech eretz, perhaps not in a public forum etc etc. BUt how on Earth is it not relevant. The passuk quite clearly indicates that it is appropriate “For laymen to comment on the opinions of the gedolei Torah” And that they can be quite worthwhile. After all a parshas was added because of Yisro’s speaking up. How is this out of context or k’neged halacha?

I’m not sure why you cant reply like a mentch. If you don’t think its relevant explain why. If you want clarification ask for it

It has occured dozens of times.

There have been occasions where the US voted to condemn israel too

Ahin

This is what I alluded to earlier. The government holds “chalav shenishtanu” isnt milk. I.e. milk derivatives are non-dairy. As far as halacha goes, (most hold that) derivatives of milk are milchig.

The OU therefore writes OU-D it is milching if somebody decides to ignore the OU’s clearly labeling it as dairy and instead to rely on the ingrediebnts or The FDS”s pesak that it is “non-dairy” why is that the OU’s problem.

I really sont understand theese people. I assume you are checking for a hechsher you see the OU you see the D which you know means the OU is telling you it is dairy (unless you call and they tell you otherwise) why would you listen to the company or FDA over the hashgacha?

Joseph, that’s silly everybody plays checkerst. That’s not a JEWISH practice.

Im sure some will insist playing cards on chanukah is a minhag.

Some will insist cards and or chess are a minhag on nittel.

All of us would say (I think) that spinning a four-sided top on chanukah is a minhag.

Which brings me back to my question, at what point do these become a minhag?

Is eating cholent on shabbos (specifically, not just hot food) a minhag?

Joseph

“Chanuka presents isn’t a minhag.”

How do you know just because it wasn’t written down? (I believe you used this argument regarding schlissel chalah)

I have many many sources and a mesora handing down the heilige minhag of chanukah presents tracing back all the way to the ribono Shel olam giving us a pacha shemen as a present on the very.

first chanuka

Of course I can’t provide these sources but they are there in toras nistar

Seriously though, (and this is for everybody) how long does it take for a Jewish practice to become a minhag?

“The minhag is actually referenced in quite early writings”

What is your definition of early?

Unless you mean “Vayigdal hyeled vayigamol” to the best of my knowledge it isn’t mentioned until 17th century

Ndg

Among other distinctions, a big one is that saying “vote for me because I’m a woman”, at least in this situation is not discriminatory. It is merely a chance to help make history. Now while I agree that is far from the best reason to vote for somebody, there is no denying that a female president would be historic.

(And this is even without considering the lack of equality in the work place eg pay differences etc making a female president arguably a way of promoting equality)

However not voting simply because she’s a woman is not similar to the above at all!

This is but one difference. And while not being a great reason to vote for somebody (and Hillary never said it was) I don’t think it is discriminatory.

Of course this is not at all related to my example with hiring/not hiring a jew. Which I still need to think about, and await your reply to my earlier question to help me formulate my reply

Also kudos for agreeing “trump is crazy but…”

In my mind there is no but (although SOME of your subsequent statements may be factual)

Being crazy disqualifies you, in my mind, from being president. Being a liar, arrogant, flip flop per etc…all of which apply to hillary (though I’d argue and be happy to provide examples lthat trump is worse) do not necessary disqualify you.

Bamidbar 32:6

joseph

Sorry for being a nuisance, I dont see where it says int he report that the intermarriage rate for Any group of Jews in 1970 was 75%.

They have two tables relevant to our discussion. on page 35 they break down by year but not denomination with numbers very similar to those posted above.

On page 37 they break down by denomination but not year

conservative 27%

Reform 50%

No denomination 69%

Combined is obviously less than 69% let alone 75%. (Im too lazy to actually calculate it but given that reform is 35% and conservative 18% of the population (page 10), the intermarriage average is closer to 50% than 69% (No denomination is 30%) regardless it seems to be less than 69% let alone 75%

however I dont have a hard time believing 75% intermarriage rate today. Though a source for that would be nice.

I do have a very hard time accepting a 75% intermarrige rate over the past 50 years as cherrybim said above. that was the source I was looking for.

“This is based on the fact that for the past fifty years, the intermarriage rate, outside of Orthodoxy, is close to 75%.”

source?

I came across 17% intermarriage rate in 1970 (less than 50 years ago) (mentioned in article by Uriel Heilman in JTA regarding the 2013 PEW study)