WolfishMusings

what they grew up with, how hard they had to work, the luxuries and extras we have was probably beyond their wildest imaginations!

It’s not fair to make a comparison between those who grew up in poverty and those who grew up in the middle/upper class.

If you want to make a comparison, compare people who grew up in the middle/upper class two generations ago with those who grew up in that same class today. I guarantee you those in the middle and upper classes two generations ago did not have spools of thread as their main toys.

The Wolf

Have a good summer, HIE. Make sure not to use the camp eruv. 🙂

The Wolf

Wolf -Why do most (not yours) kids have it -because they need it or they want it?

In truth, probably some combination of the two.

I’m not saying as a kid you can’t have things just because you want it, but there has to be a limit.

I agree with you

I see very few parents nowadays with the means, saying no to their children. The sky is the limit.

I don’t believe the problem is nearly as expansive as you make it out to be. Are there spoiled kids today? Certainly – just as there were spoiled kids in the previous generation. But just because someone has a cell phone or an electronic device, or even something that’s completely discretionary does not make them spoiled — nor does it make their parents bad parents for giving it to them.

It’s all in the balance. No parent should say “yes” all the time — but it’s just as true that no parent should say “no” all the time either. You’ve got to find the right balance for your children and your family.

The Wolf

That’s what we here call “moideh b’miktzas”.

I wasn’t aware that I owed anything that “modeh b’miktzas” comes into play. 🙂

Should I now swear an oath to you that I never read Call of the Wild? 🙂

The Wolf

But Buck* does.

I don’t get the reference.

The Wolf

L613,

Look at it this way:

Don’t look at the hat, looks at what’s in his head.

Don’t look at the shirt, look at what’s in his heart.

Don’t look at the shul, look at his personal avoda.

Don’t look at the yeshiva, look at his personal learning.

Don’t look at the suit, look at the person within.

In shidduchim, probably more than anywhere else, the dictum of Chazal of “??? ????, ?? ????? ?????, ??? ??? ??? ??” (Do not look at the container, but rather what is in it) is extremely important. It’s too bad too many people look at the kankan and never look at the person inside.

The Wolf

is that a chisaron on his part?

Are you marrying the man or the uniform?

The Wolf

I don’t know what the law is, but I do know what the law should be. And that is what I described.

That’s a separate issue. If you think the law is wrong, by all means, try and have it changed. But until then, the law is the law.

Even if the law isn’t as it should be, you can be 100% certain that there will be civil disobedience (as is the right in that purported democracy) by the Chareidim against the government’s evil decrees.

Fair enough. But an integral part of civil disobedience must include the willingness to pay the price for breaking the law (which, as you pointed out, seems is happening today).

The Wolf

When the government stops collecting taxes from Chareidim, Chareidim will stop taking government money.

Taxes cover a lot more than education. Don’t Chareidim use the roads, utilities, defense, police and fire as well?

Feel free to make the education arguments, but to say they shouldn’t pay any taxes is way off line.

Or am I misunderstanding your statement or the tax realities of Israel?

The Wolf

Well, spell it out here. What do you think welfare capitalism is? What was the New Deal? Then analyze. I’ll help you along…

The Wolf

When just a generation or two ago most Jews didn’t have the means to spoil their children, so they had much better chidren, which in turn these children had much better marriages.

I’m not necessarily challenging you on this, but I think it also needs to be pointed out that people like to wax nostalgic about the past. I’m not necessarily convinced that today’s kids are worse than those of two generations ago.

The Wolf

Many opponents of the new deal programs claimed that these programs violated the American tradition of?

(4) individual responsibility

Instead of giving you the answer, I’m going to encourage you to think it through.

What is welfare capitilism? And why do you think it conflicts or aligns with the policies of the New Deal?

The Wolf

The Chofetz Chaim in sefer Shmiras Haloshon says that speaking loshon harah causes the victim’s sins to be transferred to the offender’s “account” and mutatis mutandis for the offender’s merits. I believe this is is what tralala refers to.

Fair enough. But then I would expect that a Fair Judge would not expect you to answer for a sin that you cannot answer for (because you weren’t there). IOW, if you want to say that HKBH “transfers” sins to your account for a wrong you did, then fine – but I cannot accept that He would deliberately “torment” you to answer for those sins when He knows that you cannot because you weren’t even there.

The Wolf

I would imagine it is situation dependent and whether it is constant.

Assume it is.

The Wolf

Wolf, I’m not sure what your hockin in chink about.

The Mechaber states that a woman is allowed to insist on a divorce if her husband develops bad body odor.

That being the case, by what logic can you say that we force a woman to stay with a husband who is emotionally abusive and makes her life a living hell, yet allow her to insist on a divorce for something like body odor?

The Wolf

Kasha,

Just out of curiosity, by what logic do you come to the conclusion that a wife can force a get if her husband smells bad but not if he screams, yells, rants and raves at her all day and makes her days a living hell?

The Wolf

there is no posuk in tanach, sorry

I’m not necessarily doubting you… I’m just curious how you determined that without actually going through the entire Tanach.

The Wolf