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Fair enough. When you see post 2 being deleted before post 1 has gone up — and you see other posts go up after it, the tendency is to think that post 1 is also going to be rejected.
The Wolf
Understandable, the moderating system can get a little off kilter sometimes.
OK, and what’s so offensive about my other post that it hasn’t gone up?
The Wolf
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It just wasn’t approved yet
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At the root of Yirah, it means to “see” Hashem. When you come to “see” Hashem you will be both in awe and in fear.
I’m not so certain of that. The two words have completely different shorashim. Yes, they sounds similar in certain tenses, but they are not the same word.
Aside, if you’re a ba’al kriah, you must be careful to differentiate between yiru (they saw — pronounced with a sh’va nach) and yir’u (they feared – pronounced with a sh’va na).
The former can be found in Ki Sisa (24:10 — note only one yud in the word VaYiru)
??????????, ??? ??????? ??????????; ??????? ????????, ??????????? ??????? ??????????, ????????? ???????????, ???????
The latter can be found right before Az Yashir (note the two yuds in the word VaYir’u):
???????? ?????????? ???-?????? ??????????, ?????? ?????? ?????? ????????????, ??????????? ?????, ???-??????; ?????????????, ????????, ??????????, ????????.
Reading the word the wrong way changes the meaning and the ba’al kriah is required to go back and read it again correctly.
The Wolf
Perhaps I’m looking at it the wrong way, but I’ve always understood Yirah (in terms of Kibud Av V’aym) to be more along the lines of “awe” than “fear.”
The Wolf
Like almost any other Middah, anger has it’s place when it’s properly used. However, I can’t recall a single time in my lifetime and personal experience when anger by me was justified.*
The Wolf
* That’s not to say I’ve never become angry — just that in my personal life I’ve yet to find a time when my anger was truly justified.
But I’d love to know how you could make meatballs look green. Spagetti is easy, but red meat? Tell me, please.
Now that I think about it, I’m not sure how I’d do it. Perhaps I overspoke earlier. My apologies.
The Wolf
Whats a casual paradox?
It’s where cause and effect get caught in a never ending circle.
If you believe that genetic diseases didn’t exist in the Jewish community before Dor Yeshorim, then why was DY formed in the first place? This causes a loop where you believe that DY led to disease which led to DY which led to disease which led to DY…
The Wolf
Wolfish, may you be zocha to reach that madreiga b’korov.
What if I see a different path in Avodas HaShem for myself? Is Lakewood the *only* way to go?
The Wolf
FWIW, my kids used to go to Mogen Av/Sternberg (when I sent them to camp that is. Now it’s just too expensive).
The Wolf
I thought all the CR members were Lakewood material!
Hi! Allow me to introduce myself — my name is Wolf – and I am not Lakewood material. 🙂
The Wolf
Who’s angry?
The Wolf
What is The Wolf angry about?
Heh. LOL.
The Wolf
WellInformedYid,
I think what you meant to say was “thank you for the information.” 🙂
The Wolf
Who’s angry?
The Wolf
I’m just curious as to where the YW chev goes…
I don’t go to camp. I work. 🙂
The Wolf
How many of them had children born with Tay-Sachs and other genetic diseases?
No doubt at least some of those couples DID have children with Tay-Sachs and other genetic diseases.
Being a physician, I don’t think you mean to say that Tay-Sachs and other genetic diseases were unheard of in the Jewish community before Dor Yeshorim.
(Aside from being ridiculous, it’s also a causal paradox.)
The Wolf
how did our grandparents or even parents all get married and have kids without Dor Yeshorim? how come theyre fine?
You’re forgetting that a certain percentage of them no doubt DID have kids with Tay Sachs and other such diseases. Such kids probably died very young and are just not remembered today.
The Wolf
If a person is not a carrier for a particular disease, the status of that persons’ spouse is irrelevant, so there is no need to inform her.
I’m not necessarily advocating for (or against) telling. I’m just curious as to the classification of such material as Loshon HaRa.
There are many things that one should not say, but not all of them are Lashon HaRa. Sometimes (as it might be in this case) it’s better to be quiet without it falling under the rubric of LhR.
The Wolf
and btw, in the camp i go to, its unheard of to play ball on shabbos
So, you can personally vouch for *every* camper, staff member and visitor to your camp on Shabbos that they won’t do *anything* that might be considered improper on Shabbos? I don’t think you (or anyone else, for that matter) can provide such a guarantee.
I think you shouldn’t take the chance. Shabbos is Shabbos and it is unadvisable to play with shabbos.
The Wolf
HIE,
You’re missing the point. I’m not talking about Flatbush or Boro Park or Rav Belsky.
You said that an eruv — if otherwise valid — is made pasul by people misusing it (by playing ball). I’m just reminding you of that so that you don’t use the eruv in camp (for the reasons I stated above).
The Wolf
While Aisov may not have been a known wife-beater, he was a murderer and an aduterer (is that a word?)
I’m not necessarily disputing that point. But the point was made that protecting your daughter from a wife-beater is bad because of what happened to Yaakov and Dina. My point was meant to show that Yaakov was not necessarily punished for keeping Dina from a wife-beater since we don’t know that Eisav was one.
The Wolf
an eruv in a reshus harabim dairaisa is ok
Yes, I know. But you said that an eruv, even if otherwise valid, is passul if people misuse it (by playing ball, for example).
That being said, I just want to remind you not to use the eruv in your camp since you don’t know if people might misuse it and make it passul (according to you).
The Wolf
an eruv in a reshus hayachid is ok.
Right. No one argued against that.
You, however, said that a perfectly valid eruv becomes pasul if it is misused. The context was in boys playing ball within the eruv.
You said:
I have seen people playing ball in the street and i’m not evening talking about the fact that your not suppose to play ball on shabbos but….
My response to that was (bolding mine):
If there’s a problem with playing ball on Shabbos, then educate people on that aspect of it — don’t conflate it with carrying.
In any event, I agree with you that there are people who might abuse the rules regarding carrying on Shabbos with an eruv — but that doesn’t detract from the validity of the eruv itself. If it’s valid, then it’s valid regardless of the fact that some people may choose to abuse it.
Your response was:
no wolf, that invalidates it.
IOW, you held (and gave a source from some sefer that no one ever heard of) that if someone misuses and eruv, that makes it pasul.
So, I’m advising you that since you don’t know for sure if anyone in the camp is misusing the eruv (and making it pasul according to your position) that you should not use the eruv. After all, chillul Shabbos is a serious matter. As you said:
Shabbos is Shabbos, and it is unadvisable to play with shabbos
The Wolf
(Source thread: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/eruv-in-brooklyn/page/2)
While Yaakov Avinu agreed with you and hid Dina in a box to protect her from his brother Eisav so that he would not marry her;
While Eisav may have had any number of bad traits, I have yet to see a source that states that he beat his wives. Do you know of one?
The Wolf
The easiest food to cook for such an extended time was chulent. Hence the minhag.
Is a minhag a practice that is taken on for religious reasons with religious significance, or is any regular practice that comes about as a result of circumstance a minhag?
Having hot foods is the former. Having chulent is the latter.
The Wolf
I’m sure we don’t disagree in practice as in a healthy marriage a man is the authority, a woman is submissive and sometimes there need to be compromises.
Again, I don’t see why you say it has to be that way. If it works for your marriage — great. But not every marriage is that way.
In my marriage, no one is the “ultimate authority,” and it works *very* well for us. In other marriages I know, the wife is more assertive and the husband is more laid-back (my grandparents were like that) and it works for them.
IOW, you can’t make the blanket statement that the man has to be the authority and the wife submissive for it to be a healthy marriage. Every marriage is different and one model does not work for all couples.
The Wolf
The Wolf
was told that it is Loshon Hora about his family to disclose it to anyone,
Interesting. Is it also Lashon Hara to say that someone is blind? I’m not certain how this is fundamentally different.
The Wolf
I make it a point to NOT get excited about any “sign” or “prediction” about when Moshiach will come. Far too many people either misinterpret sources, just plain make things up (yes, I have examples) or are just plain wrong when it comes to predicting that Moshiach is close because event X happened.
I wait and daven for Moshiach’s arrival every day. When he gets here, he gets here.
The Wolf
Can you make them green?
Can I? Yes.
Will I? No — no one will eat them.
I once made the mistake of trying to give Eeees green eggs before we were married. I guess I’m lucky she married me anyway. 🙂
The Wolf
And I agree with you! But nowadays, people are more spoiled than previous generations. If you want to say because most people in previous generations were poor -that’s fine.
That basically amounts to saying that a higher standard of living = spoiled. I hardly think that’s the case.
The Wolf
Yur rebbe was right and yur wrong. Meatballs and spageti is not a shabbas meal! Its a regular weekday meal. At night you should have chicken and during the seuda at day you should have chulent. Those are the main shabbas meals. Yes you can have some other things but not meatballs and spigeti!
Heh. Just for you, Moshe, I’ll have meatballs and spaghetti on Shabbos as often as possible. 🙂
The Wolf
You also can’t compare this generation to your grandmother’s regarding electronic devices; THERe WERE NONE back then!!!!!!
That’s right. If you look earlier in the thread, you’ll see that I made that very same point.
The Wolf