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January 16, 2018 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm in reply to: Kallah Taking Chosson’s Last Name Upon Marriage- Jewish or Gentile? #1450962JosephParticipant
a married woman goes from being called Bas —— to Eishes ——.
So we see that a Jewish woman, upon marriage, her name changes from that of her father’s to that of her new husband’s.
January 16, 2018 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm in reply to: Kallah Taking Chosson’s Last Name Upon Marriage- Jewish or Gentile? #1450952JosephParticipant” A man’s legal names was “Piloni ben Piloni” and a woman’s name was “Pilonis bas Pilonis”.”
A woman’s legal name is Pilonis bas Piloni (not bas Pilonis.)
January 16, 2018 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450945JosephParticipantNo male guests dance with the kallah, c”v, at a Mitzvah Tantz. Only the father of the kallah and the Choson do. And even then it is supposed to be only with immediate relatives around. Just because some people call a dance a mitzvah tantz and do unacceptable things doesn’t make it a mitzvah tantz. Other relatives dance only holding the gartel. The mitzvah tantz is brought down in numerous Seforim HaKedoshim. (i.e. Bach – Even Haezer 21, Chelkas Mechokek, Beis Shmuel, etc.) If you have an issue with it take it up with the gedolei poskim who permitted or even mandated it.
JosephParticipantiac, I don’t understand what your 80% (before marriage) and 50% (after marriage) mean. What do those figures represent?
Also, the chisronos that (before marriage) you thought you could overlook and live with that turned out after marrying you found you couldn’t tolerate, how did you deal or manage with those chisronos?
January 16, 2018 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm in reply to: Kallah Taking Chosson’s Last Name Upon Marriage- Jewish or Gentile? #1450906JosephParticipantThe whole last name concept, from A to Z, is goyish. Yidden, both him and her, traditionally never had a last name in the first place.
His name is Reuven ben Yaakov and her name is Dina bas Yaakov. You’ll never hear anyone being called up to the Torah by a last name. Even today. Similarly, since you asked about marriage, the kesuba will never have for him or for her (or for the eidem) any last name.
January 16, 2018 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450874JosephParticipantBinyan: The name you mentioned is that of one of the Shevatim and mentioned in Bereishus. The mitzvah tantz is mentioned in the Machzor Vitri (from about the times of Rashi.) The Mezinka Dance is absolutely a foreign/Ukrainian/gentile thing that certainly has no place at a yiddishe Chasuna.
Gaon: I’m talking about apples and you’re comparing them to oranges. Walking her to her seat and sitting there isn’t walking her into the dance floor.
January 16, 2018 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450850JosephParticipantAPY: Normally a husband and wife are not permitted to publicly hold each other’s hands. There’s an exception in the Seforim HaKedoshim, for the reason you mentioned, when the Choson and Kallah walk from the chuppa to the yichud room. They can’t choose to do so other times they so desire.
JosephParticipantWhat is the Rechnitz Challenge?
January 16, 2018 10:52 am at 10:52 am in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450821JosephParticipantGaon, clearly that’s not what’s happening at any chasunas today and is not what the OP is discussing.
JosephParticipant“Before marriage it looked like 80-20. In the thirty years it has become more like 50-50.”
iac, just to clarify your point, you’re saying before marriage it looked like your kallah was 80% of what you were looking for but after 30 years of marriage you found it is more like 50%?
January 16, 2018 9:14 am at 9:14 am in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450637JosephParticipant“A friend of my husband told him not to come in with me to the woman’s section because it’s not a Jewish thing and not Aidel, and so we posed together just outside the door”
Thank you for sharing your first-hand experience.
January 16, 2018 9:14 am at 9:14 am in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450636JosephParticipantNeutiquamErro: +1
JosephParticipant“So how much schar do children of difficult parents get?”
Depends on how much Kibud Av V’Eim they have.
JosephParticipantSHY: How do you explain the huge amount of Seforim HaKedoshim throughout the centuries in galus, from the Rishonim and Achronim, warning us of the dire punishments for various aveiras?
January 15, 2018 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450533JosephParticipant“The rest of the Jewish world doesn’t have to adopt their practices.”
Again, the very Yeshivish, non-Chasidim, and most very frum couples don’t follow this gentile wedding custom of the groom and bride walking in side-by-side to the wedding party. This idea comes from places foreign to Yidden.
“Many chassidim have the custom that the chosson holds the kallah’s hand as they leave the chupah.”
Some Litvish and other non-Chasidim have that same minhag. (i.e. Yeshiva Chaim Berlin.) It is brought down in the Seforim HaKedoshim.
“the minhag that the Choson escorts the kala to her seat. I will post sources soon.”
By some chasunas the Choson and Kallah sit next to each other. Escorting her to her seat then is simple. (Although I wonder if it is proper for the Choson/Kallah to be sitting where they can view both sides of the mechitza. Many chasunas the Choson and Kallah sit separately.) But in any event, the scenario I described is the Choson escorting the Kallah to the dancing in the women’s side of the mechitza — not to her seat.
January 15, 2018 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1450350JosephParticipant“The “Very chasidish” IVe been too did not. but the majority which Id categorize as “regular chasidish” did.”
Many of the regular Chasidish hamon hoam are like many of the non-Chasidish hamon hoam; they too have succumbed to the ways things are done in gentile weddings (in this regard).
“By many, the custom is that the chosson walks out to escort the kallh to the chuppa (IE nisuin of old, where the kallah was brought into the rishus of the chosson),”
Or, by some, the Choson walking the kallah FROM the chuppa (after it concluded) to the yichud room.
“others dont consider the chuppa the nisuin, but, the later parts of the wedding ceremony including yichud and perhaps the hall where the seuda is taking place.”
The hall with the meal after pictures are concluded makes no sense for what you describe. From the picture room to the party room?
“Since when are the chasidishe minhagim the go to answer for everyone else?”
I just used the very Chasidish as an example. It is the same by the very Yeshivish. Do you think that at Rav Malkiel’s sons weddings the Choson walked side by side with the kallah into the hall party room’s women’s section to the announcement of “For the very first time, Mr. & Mrs. Avrumi Kotler!!”?
Which brings up the second part of this issue — the Choson walking into the women’s side of the mechitza (as a result of him walking side by side with the kallah into the hall), itself problematic — and sometimes the women even dancing up the kallah before the Choson left.
Next we’ll discuss the issue of video taken of the women dancing that’s put into the wedding video that the Choson and other male members of the family and friends watch.
JosephParticipantSHY: Where do you see a stira?
January 15, 2018 11:44 am at 11:44 am in reply to: Choson & Kallah Walking Together Into Wedding Hall – Jewish or Gentile? #1449517JosephParticipantDo very Chasidish newlyweds walk in side-by-side into the hall?
JosephParticipant“The question she asked me was “will you be able to live with and overlook the other 20%”?”
Did your wife fail to meet 20% of what you were looking for?
JosephParticipantiac & Wolf: What is your rate?
JosephParticipantThe way you describe this scenario the references only omitted some neutral information, they didn’t give false information. If they weren’t specifically asked about these neutral (or even negative) points, they have no reason to give the caller that information.
JosephParticipantBITP, the world at large and general society spit at their “ancient” ancestors as barbarians and nowhere near as advanced and civilized as themselves.
JosephParticipantThe 20th Century Weimar Republic was one of the most “Western Democracies” coming from the great German civilization, the most “civilized” people and nation on Earth. And that democracy democratically elected as their Chancellor and Fuhrer Adolf Hitler ym’s.
JosephParticipantCS, I said Nazi Germany. That was in very recent times. The Russian pograms wasn’t all too long ago either. Even Tach V’tat is within memory. Crusades is a bit longer ago. When did this great utopian “Western Democracy” that you so love begin?
January 14, 2018 11:54 am at 11:54 am in reply to: Names that are used for both boys and girls #1449090JosephParticipant“Insider info?”
An apikorus can be a he or she. But someone with such a grubbe outlandish spit in your Jewish face attitude is surely a he.
January 14, 2018 10:36 am at 10:36 am in reply to: Is the Meningitis vaccination required for boys living in Yeshiva dorms? #1449040JosephParticipantWB Health!
January 14, 2018 10:12 am at 10:12 am in reply to: Names that are used for both boys and girls #1449009JosephParticipantUB: It’s a he.
Insider info?
JosephParticipantCS, 1) Who said it needs only be said as a motivator? It’s the truth and the truth needs to be said out loud and clear. 2) Our gedolei yisroel for thousands of years admonished us as such, so clearly they felt it is the correct and appropriate mussar to give us.
JosephParticipant“Now however, the nations themselves are allot more refined”
You really believe that? It was only a few short decades ago that the nations engaged in a worldwide war, for the second time in a very short period, and wantonly murdered six million of us while everyone else watched and applauded the murderers even if they didn’t actually participate. Most of the occupied countries helped the Nazis murder.
January 14, 2018 9:05 am at 9:05 am in reply to: Why Are We Not Fighting The Radicals That Bother Soldiers Like Chillul Shabbos #1448911JosephParticipant“Your whole argument against the draft is that those who learn torah should not go to the army as they are protecting Klal Yisroel”,
No, that’s only one of several arguments. Another is that the Israeli army purposefully attempts to shmad every inductee. This is their official policy to be a melting pot. Additionally the behavior between male and female soldiers has always been very immoral.
JosephParticipantThey make self-haircut machines.
JosephParticipantCS, are you trying to claim that the world is a better place today than, say, during the time of the Beis HaMikdash or during the time of Har Sinai?
JosephParticipant“Joseph-why stop at 3”
That’s how many wishes a genie traditionally offers you for freeing him from the jug.
January 13, 2018 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm in reply to: Saying L’shana Haba’ah B’Yerushalayim in Eretz Yisroel #1448860JosephParticipantBMG_Guy: This topic’s for you.
JosephParticipantThe stealing bit was in very bad taste even if the rest was humorous.
JosephParticipantThe B”M’s of very frum families cost in the range of $3,000 – 4,000, ghd. You must be referring to Reform and Conservative b”m’s.
JosephParticipant“What makes these klutz kashehs?”
Because a klutz asked them.
JosephParticipantMazal Tov!
January 12, 2018 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm in reply to: Why Are We Not Fighting The Radicals That Bother Soldiers Like Chillul Shabbos #1448693JosephParticipantBetter for a malcontent to be on the streets than for him to be shmadded in the army.
January 12, 2018 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm in reply to: Not talking to a merchant if you’re not planning on buying anything #1448678JosephParticipantI can’t pasken. But if it is known they don’t mind in such a scenario then it probably is okay.
JosephParticipantTell him not to be so fancy. What a waste of money. He could make the whole Bar Mitzvah on Shabbos and it’ll cost far far less.
January 12, 2018 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm in reply to: Why Are We Not Fighting The Radicals That Bother Soldiers Like Chillul Shabbos #1448666JosephParticipant“This hasnt been the main discussion here, but in general protests against Chilul Shabbos generally dont work”
Exactly, ZD, you’re finally getting it!!! Protests against malcontents don’t work, exactly like you said. Whether the malcontents are mocking Israeli soldiers, engaging in chillul Shabbos or getting high on drugs.
January 12, 2018 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm in reply to: Not talking to a merchant if you’re not planning on buying anything #1448667JosephParticipant“I don’t know what the halachic sources say about this”
The halachic sources say that you are not permitted to even ask the price of an item if you have no intention of purchasing.
JosephParticipant√2: To perfect ourselves.
January 12, 2018 10:42 am at 10:42 am in reply to: Not talking to a merchant if you’re not planning on buying anything #1448606JosephParticipantYou are not permitted to even ask the price of an item if you have no intention of purchasing. But if you told the merchant upfront of that intention, then you’re fine since he agreed to talk to you despite knowing your intentions.
JosephParticipantVirginia is done. The Republican won. A third recount will not occur and has not been requested. The Republicans continue to control the Virginia House of Delegates after everyone was sworn in yesterday.
January 12, 2018 8:56 am at 8:56 am in reply to: Why Are We Not Fighting The Radicals That Bother Soldiers Like Chillul Shabbos #1448489JosephParticipantLook at the chiluk between frum miscontents and non-frum/goyishe miscontents. The frum ones only yell at people; the non-frum/goyim go on drugs, alcohol and rob and assault people.
JosephParticipantThose who know don’t tell; those who tell don’t know.
January 12, 2018 12:47 am at 12:47 am in reply to: Why Are We Not Fighting The Radicals That Bother Soldiers Like Chillul Shabbos #1448487JosephParticipantLC: The OU and RCA continued to allow membership for those toeiva supporters. (Well, OU does; he quit the RCA on his own, they didn’t chuck him.) That’s different than these miscontents who are not members of anywhere.
JosephParticipantThroughout the Seforim HaKedoshim Klal Yisroel is admonished by Chachmei Yisroel regarding the various severe onshim we have for violating or not properly completing the various tasks that the RBSO demands of us. It is only in today’s messed up generation that the youth have demanded that the severe onshim not be mentioned too much.
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