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C’mon, David. Where’s your sense of humor?
CTL, you fly only business class?? Feh, I thought you were of a higher class. You should start joining me in first class.
Women are paid less because women take off more time for maternity and other reasons (going home early for children, etc.) reducing their experience, even if a man and a woman initially joined the workforce at the same time.
That and men are better negotiators for salary.
If they can get a ride to the polls twice a year, they surely can get a ride once in their life to get an ID card.
Any other inner voices that you want to share?
So how do those crazy Ice men work this? If an Iceland company has 26 employees, 13 men and 13 women, they must pay each women at least as much as each man? If they have 2 computer programmers they can’t pay one more than the other?
The Republican won the tie breaker goral today and the Republicans will continue to control the Virginia House of Delegates.
About nine or so years ago Rav Ovadia Yosef said he feels it is wrong that many Sephardim have accepted what was an Ashkenazic-only takana against having a second wife, and said Sephardim shouldn’t abide by such an across-the-board rule.
Gaon, what you’re quoting is part of the kesuba of many Sephardim. That has been done for many years by many Sephardim but it has never been an across-the-board provision accepted by all Sephardim. The Sephardim customize their kesubas and some take certain conditions, as agreed upon between chosson and kallah prior to marriage, while other Sephardim don’t implement those provisions in their kesuba (in which case he could take additional wives without anyone else’s reshus.) But even the kesuba provision you quoted, for those Sephardim that use that provision, (as you said) even they can take a second (or third) wife with the reshus of beis din, which the provision expressly allows for.
Neville’s question was about a situation where a Sephardi was in a marriage where the wife ran away without accepting a Get or something. In such a case it would be very easy for a Sephardic Beis Din to allow him to take a second wife, due to such a circumstances. Because the provision even allows Beis Din to allow additional wives when he’s still happily living with his first wife.
An interesting point regarding Neville’s question, whereas Ashkenazim are prohibited from forcibly divorcing a wife against her will based on Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom, Sephardim have no such preclusion and could simply divorce her against her will if she took off and didn’t want to accept a divorce.
“concerned about their physique and image?”
This is Chom.
Mazal Tov!
A great shver always has a nice Dvar Torah to share with his eidem.
Someone remind the Halacha regarding a person who kills a fetus in the eighth month versus the seventh or ninth month.
It enhances one’s shidduch prospects since the end result is that it beutifies one’s teeth.
Enjoy your move to Iceland.
This thread is wasting space in the CR main page.
This is a midda of Chom.
Many years ago the Supreme Court held that marriage only between men and women was legal and that sodomy was illegal. Yet courts later changed. And the court has ruled as I said above; anti-polygamy laws are constitutionally unenforceable for any purpose more than to allow the State to refuse to issue secular marriage licenses to someone already married.
In any event your acknowledgment of the point in your last paragraph makes the point moot since one can simply refrain from obtaining multiple state marriage licenses or otherwise representing himself to the government of being married more than once. He can simply stick to kiddushin.
Many Gedolim have given specific reasons why the Holocaust occurred. Including due to aveiros. Search the old threads here.
Perhaps because the coloring is on the body. But who said even a clown costume is okay?
Does not putting on a hat and gartel before tying your left shoe before your right shoe indicate that tying in that order isn’t a Mitzvah?
CS, ir miklat is till the Kohein Gadol is niftar, not for life.
The prohibition against teaching Torah shebalpeh (i.e Gemorah, etc.) to girls/women is a Halacha in the Gemorah that the Shulchan Aruch and Rema (and everyone since Chazal through the times of the Chofetz Chaim) pasken l’Halacha. The Chofetz Chaim issued a heter due to the shas hadchak to teach girls Torah formally in schools, something that until that time had virtually never occurred in Klal due to the aforementioned Halacha.
Who said that stuff is tzniusdik, even for Purim?
ChabadShlucha: Obviously you also mistakenly think that Tach V’Tat didn’t come from Hashem due to Yidden taking in shul, since nebech Yidden still talk in shul. So you have a machlokes with the Tosfos Yom Tov who clearly said that terrible murderous tragedy against Klal Yisroel was a result of talking in shul, and your personal shitta is that the Tosfos Yom Tov is mistaken.
It’s assur, according to many shittas, to stick your fingers even inside the cracks of the Kosel.
Neville, Sephardim have no need for, or even a concept of, Heter Meah Rabbonim. Since they have no prohibition against polygamy in the first place. As mentioned, Sephardim and Teimanim alive today have more than one wife they married in Morocco, Yemen and elsewhere. So they could marry again regardless. The whole HMR is an Ashkenazic construct.
Pdtg, as I extensively explained in my last several comments, it isn’t a violation of Dina D’Malchusa in the United States since having multiple religious marriages is entirely legal in all States (as the courts ruled it a violation of constitutional rights for a state to regulate or preclude religious marriage ceremonies.) Furthermore, many countries — including South Africa (where their President has four wives) and other countries in Africa and Asia — officially allow polygamy. And anyone marrying in those countries will have their marriage (even if married as a tourist to those countries) recognized by virtually all other countries, including the US and Europe. Additionally, Yidden conduct marriages exclusively in accordance with our own dinim and takonos; we don’t need to use the goyishe laws and rules for them. In fact, the Halacha of Dina D’Malchusa doesn’t include us having to comply with local goyishe marriage laws. Dina D’Malchusa is primarily concerned with taxation and government monetary laws between the people and the state.
Benignuman, a further point is that it is certainly legal under any view of the law for a male to live in the same household with multiple non-blood related females and, as far as the state and government is concerned to not represent himself as being married to more than one of them. As far as conducting kiddushin with any multiple number of them, the Constitution precludes the State from regulating or precluding anyone from conducting any number of religious kiddushin ceremonies.
Eliyahu Hanovi will come three days before Moshiach to announce his pending arrival. Obviously this will be after any necessary war, Gog uMogeg, etc. Thus logically it makes sense that that war could have occurred already (WWII?) and Eliyahu Hanovi can come any day now.
Benignuman: KODY BROWN, MERI BROWN,JANELLE BROWN, CHRISTINE BROWN,ROBYN SULLIVAN v. JEFFREY R. BUHMAN. Case: 2:11CV00652. It overturned Utah’s statue. Eventually the case was mooted since Utah’s AG promised the Federal court that Utah doesn’t enforce the law anyways. See also the additional points I made in my last comment.
Gaon: We go according to the shitta, as stated in S”A, that R”G set an expiration date. But later the rabbonim extended it. Therefore everyone agrees it continued after expiration, even the shittas that tell us there was an expiration date. But in any event this point is mostly academic. It doesn’t change the other points made.
E120: What are the girls contributions and priorities for marriage? Shadchanim have many more girls needing shidduchim than boys.
Sounds like Christian Bible.
Benignuman, Federal courts have rendered the bans on polygamy unenforceable from the viewpoint of preventing multiple religious marriages. Many fundamentalist Mormons have and are openly practicing it, and have been for well over a century. Several attempts at stopping them by the authorities, absent any other illegal activities, have been shot down by the Federal courts on the basis of freedom of religion (since they are religious only marriages.) More recently they have actually promoted their polygamy on TV shows, and despite one attempt of a State AG at charging them, the AG’s case was dismissed by the court. More recently many African Muslim immigrants to the US are also openly practicing polygamy in the US, without hindrance, including in NYC. More recently Federal courts, in addition to the aforementioned freedom of religion basis to allow religious multiple marriages, have also ruled even against Utah’s nominal statue in its books against polygamy. About a year ago the appeals court mooted the case on the basis that the AG said the State no longer enforces it anyways.
Benignuman, why would you engage in learning with apikorsum?
Benignuman, the Raavad says another option for Beis Din is to reduce the food she’s given, until she complies.
“However, there are many fine young chazzonim who have not yet met their besschert so no reason to exclude them”
Sure there’s reason to exclude the. We have Halachas. And the Halachas tell us to exclude them.
Rashi wasn’t the universally accepted Godol Hador of his day?
Is being a maniac taboo?
Gaon: “Even if the 1000 years shelf life of cherem R’G were up in 5778, does anyone really believe Yidden living in North America, or EY would start taking multiple wives, unless, of course, if we had a kol koreh from all the leading Gadolim authorizing polygamy as a means of addressing the shiduch crisis.”
That’s exactly what I said: 1) The gedolei rabbonim would need to reauthorize the practice of polygamy and 2) The gedolei rabbonim today have this right.
The mere concept of Yidden having multiple wives isn’t far fetched as even today there are living frum Yidden, (Sephardim, Teimanim, etc.), that have several wives they married in Morocco, Yemen or elsewhere in recent times. It has only been Ashkenazim who made a gezeira against it (the reason for which is disputed among the Seforim HaKedoshim), and the gezeira itself even for Ashkenazim had a preset expiration date.
Chabadshlucha: You could just read the Artscroll books of Gemorah stories to get what you’re doing.
Lchoira according to that explanation, if the HMR read signed by three different communities all in Brooklyn, i.e. Satmar, SY Sefardic and Chofetz Chaim, it would satisfy the three different kehilos rule.
Gaon, offhand I seem to recall the Rema says that it was extended after it expired. But it had an original expiration date. The Mechaber certainly says R”G gave it an expiration date.
I had no time to read it.
“Not everyone agrees on that aspect (i.e. the auto 1000 yr ban).”
The Shulchan Aruch says Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom was set to expire on Year 5000. (Not 1000 years since it was issued.)
“I have been approached more than once to sign on a Heter”
You’re a lomdim miflagim and are able to Pasken?
“The “halachicly valid cause” nowadays has been stretched way beyond the realm of Halacha…”
You make it sound like HMRs are very common these days and many of them have been issued on a stretch of legitimacy. How would you know this?
“Hmm am not sure the ידין ידין indicates anything regarding knowing a bit Even Ha’ezer…”
However the signatories know Even Ha’ezer… with or without smicha.
Reuven, are you a maamin?
Gaon: “According to the Noda beYahuda, the 100 “rabbanim” need to be Lomdim Miflagim and at least be able to Pasken” – and know the Halachas relevant to what they are co-signing- not just any guy from Kolel.”
Nu, ידין ידין.
“Also, a HMR can ONLY be utilized in specific situations and is invalid (according to many) if used just because one decided he wants to divorce his wife and she refuses.”
Agreed, of course. If he wants to divorce his wife since he found a prettier girl and she refuses his divorce, the rabbonim will rightfully shoot him down and tell him to stay with his wife. He needs a halachicly valid cause to divorce. If she then refuses he’s entitled to a HMR.
GIYF.
Rog: Those are small issues. If the Israeli government rabbanut won’t recognize it, one could get it from (and get remarried with) a Chareidi Rov such as from the Eidah HaChareidus and others or simply remarry with a Rov outside Israel. Same with the BDA. They are only MO anyways and in general don’t comport with normative Halacha. One can (and should) use another Beis Din.
I heard a story of a guy who after a year of marriage found out his wife was for years taking daily pills for a heart condition.
His immediate reaction was: “Honey, I don’t think you should be working with that condition. The work might be too hard on your heart.”
Rabbeinu Gershom set his Cherem to expire; that expiration date has long since passed. The rabbonim at the time of the expiration extended it. But just like they extended the Cherem the rabbonim could choose now to end the Cherem. If the Cherem ended both the Heter Meah Rabbonim and the ban on multiple marriages would end.