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December 30, 2018 10:53 am at 10:53 am in reply to: The Killing of Nahal Haredi Soldiers and the Anti Draft Protests #1653864anon1m0usParticipant
Daas: the US doesnt have active draft laws. Durikg vietnam, if you were not in Yeshivish, you were drafted
December 30, 2018 9:20 am at 9:20 am in reply to: The Killing of Nahal Haredi Soldiers and the Anti Draft Protests #1653835anon1m0usParticipantAgain, this is NOT a halacha army. They may assist with your religious requirements but are not required to. The law is everyone must serve in it. As a chesed, they allowed people who register that they are learning to be exempt. No other country does that. People have 3 options:
1) join the army
2) register to say you are learning.
3) leave the country
This is not that difficult to understand. If it help most people here, replace Jewish state with Arab state. Faced with those 3 options, what would one do?December 30, 2018 1:12 am at 1:12 am in reply to: Can the “right” of modern Orthodoxy be saved while the “left” has left? #1653808anon1m0usParticipantYeshivaRockstar.
Typical yeshivish response. However, feel free to Google “Peleg Tzaddikm Rip Tichel Off Lady Trying To Stop Them From Blocking Cars” as it seems I can not post links.December 30, 2018 12:53 am at 12:53 am in reply to: Can the “right” of modern Orthodoxy be saved while the “left” has left? #1653801anon1m0usParticipantAviK- U- unvaynig….very little
December 30, 2018 12:32 am at 12:32 am in reply to: The Killing of Nahal Haredi Soldiers and the Anti Draft Protests #1653798anon1m0usParticipantDon’t know what people are talking about. This is a jewish state, not a religious state. They do not need to follow halacha. You need to. Dina dilmachusa applies to any government the Jews live under.
The age 20-60 may have been written in the Torah, but most Jewish kings never followed the Torah!
December 28, 2018 11:54 am at 11:54 am in reply to: The Killing of Nahal Haredi Soldiers and the Anti Draft Protests #1653510anon1m0usParticipantTake3tomakemangoes- simple…dina dilmachusah. You need to follow the law of the land. Since this is NOT a halactic army they do not need to follow the Torah. However, people as citizens in this land need to follow the halacha. The other choice is leaving, like Jews have always done throughout the ages when forced to violate the Torah or principles they hold dear.
December 27, 2018 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm in reply to: Can the “right” of modern Orthodoxy be saved while the “left” has left? #1653192anon1m0usParticipantI wonder if the OP can retitle his post as “Can the “right” of Ultra-Yeshivish be saved while the “left” has left? There are many examples where the oilam has gone beyond frumkeit and to the extend it borders on reshus.
I just saw a video of black hat members of this crowd pulling off a techal of a woman?!?!?! Never in my life I would have ever thought I would see supposedly Benai Torah doing something so vile?!?! Is it time we separate from these people and the rabbonim that support them? What should we called this new sect; FRUM:
F- Feel
R- Reshus
U- unvaynig
M-MitzvosDecember 27, 2018 10:44 am at 10:44 am in reply to: The Killing of Nahal Haredi Soldiers and the Anti Draft Protests #1652827anon1m0usParticipant@SHopping613: Actually, since the 6 day war, Israel has not won any real wars. It technically LOST the Yom Kippir war. If it wasn’t for a seize fire with Egypt, Israel would not be able to concentrate it’s forces against Syria in the Golan. Egypt recaptured the Suez which was a big win for them. Almost half of Israel’s air-force was destroyed and approximately 2,700 Jewish soldiers were killed. I don’t know how you can consider that a win! Eben in Lebanon, Israel paid too high of a price against Hezbollah. I’m sorry, but since the 6 day war, Israel did not win any wars. There were always seize fires to save face.
In the time of the Tanach, learning had NOTHING to do with who goes to war. That was never the question that was asked by the Cohen. Those questions were also only asked for a milhemet reshut. A milhemet mitzvah everyone needed to fight. I would think Pikuach nefesh is a mitzvah.
December 26, 2018 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm in reply to: The Killing of Nahal Haredi Soldiers and the Anti Draft Protests #1652487anon1m0usParticipantThe problem, I believe, is that most frum people are spoiled. We all grew up in luxurious safe environments and do not understand what it takes to protect a country as we have goyim who are more than happy to sign up in our stead.
My biggest fear is, as most frum shuls, do not even say a tefillah that our brothers in arms (and yes, brothers) to be safe, is that the irreligious leaders will one day decide that the west bank, which includes half of yerushalyim, the old city, neve yaakov, pisgot zeve, etc will all go under the Palestinian rule. It is sad that everyone alive cannot recall all the massacres under the Arabs, but it seems that our yeshiva system prefers Arabs over irreligious Jews. We will then have fast days, yom tefillah and hopefully, hashem will not say why are you davvening now? You never cared for it.
I do not think anyone says learning is not important, but from all of Tanach, can anyone find ONE source where people who were learning was excused from military service? Where is the betachon that the learning that you do will protect you? It’s great saying it protects the soldiers, but how much more meaningful will the learning be when it is YOUR life a stake?
And if people refuse to serve, then they should not live there! Move to Gaza where you are not required to serve in the army. What right do you have to live in Yerushalayim? You did not fight for it so you should wait for moshiach to gain the right.December 10, 2018 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.👨🔬💉🚫 #1640798anon1m0usParticipantSorry, I did not read through all 601 posts, but there are studies, like:
Madsen, K. M., Hviid, A., Vestergaard, M., Schendel, D., Wohlfahrt, J., Thorsen, P., … & Melbye, M. (2002). A population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autism. New England Journal of Medicine, 347(19), 1477-1482. That concludes that there are no associates between the MMR and Autism.In addition, there are numerous studies that show that there are no link between SIDS and vaccination. it appears that the opposite is correct, the vaccination may as well reduce the risk of SIDS.
Hoffman, H. J., Hunter, J. C., Damus, K., Pakter, J., Peterson, D. R., van Belle, G., & Hasselmeyer, E. G. (1987). Diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization and sudden infant death: results of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development Cooperative Epidemiological Study of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome risk factors. Pediatrics, 79(4), 598-611.
Mitchell, E. A., Stewart, A. W., & Clements, M. (1995). Immunisation and the sudden infant death syndrome. New Zealand Cot Death Study Group. Archives of disease in childhood, 73(6), 498-501.
However, as people mentioned, not all studies are clear cut. However, what is clear is the risk outweighs the adverse effect; as studies have shown it is minimal.
Ellenberg, S. S., & Chen, R. T. (1997). The complicated task of monitoring vaccine safety. Public health reports, 112(1), 10.
November 29, 2018 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.👨🔬💉🚫 #1633538anon1m0usParticipantI am PRO Polio and Measels! You vaxxers never stopped to analyze the benefits of not vaxing. It eliminates the stupid and dumb people from propagating their dumb genetics to the future generations. This is a golden opportunity to ensure our future generations will be smart, intelligent, and talmia chachomim.
anon1m0usParticipantI disagree, Marriage Councilors are trained professionals that assist in helping couples work through their issues without any bias.
Regardless if they are married, they were trained in that area. It’s like saying Rabbi
A Talmid Chachum is not trained and I know marriages ended because of the advice given.
April 8, 2018 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm in reply to: Sick and tired of spoiled cholov yisroel milk #1503685anon1m0usParticipantI am not makpid on being a Ba’al Nefesh. I enjoy my not spoiled CS at half the price of CY.
February 20, 2018 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: Is there any way to prevent mass shootings???? #1472924anon1m0usParticipantI don’t understand how there could be any school shootings?!?! In 1996 we made schools Gun Free Zones and this law should have stopped any guns being carried in a school area.
it is sad that criminals and demented people do not follow the laws!
The only other option is to have armed peace officers or teachers that would be able to respond to such threats.anon1m0usParticipantWhy don’t we stop talking in shul, which is considered a mini bais hamikdash and maybe we will be zoche to build the big one
anon1m0usParticipantDAAS: I couldn’t find a halacha on coming on-time to shul so I doubt they would ask that.
Even if they do, my ahavas yisroel of not wanting to disturb other Jews from davvening will trump my selfishness of coming on-time and talking.I’m not worried 🙂
anon1m0usParticipantI used to talk during davvening, but stopped.
I now come late and davveing is 2 hours for me, with some of it catching up. I have no time to talk.
In shamayim, if they ask why I came late to davvening, I will answer them that I followed Halacha where it says it is better to stay home than talk in shul. Shulchan Aruch Siman 124:7
October 4, 2017 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm in reply to: Vegas Massacre: 59 Good Reasons to Outlaw Automatic Weapons #1378644anon1m0usParticipantMentsch1: Actually, you can transfer a gun. My father died and i transferred ownership to myself.
anon1m0usParticipantRegardless of what you think, would you be happy to see your bais medrish bochor discussing halachos or hashkofos with anonymous women( or people posing as it) or your seminary girl discussing things that took place is seminary with an unknown boy?
September 3, 2017 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm in reply to: The key to ending intermarriage in the Jewish world #1353809anon1m0usParticipantJoseph- yes, I would even allow my child a person whose parents are off the derech. If it was good enough for Yitzchok avenu, it’s good enough for me.
September 3, 2017 10:43 am at 10:43 am in reply to: The key to ending intermarriage in the Jewish world #1353473anon1m0usParticipantMaybe start showing ahavas yisroel instead of sinas chinom towards all of our brothers and sisters; regardless of their affiliation and maybe they will see the beauty the Torah has to offer.
In reality, how many of you would allow your children to marry a Baal/baalas teshuva? It’s great for ‘yenim’ but does not ‘paast’ for me. Why would they even consider us when we are so judgemental?
Just saying that it is elul, and I must wonder if Hashem thinks of us as OTD kids. Imagine he treats us as we treat others.August 27, 2017 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm in reply to: What’s a girl to do if her father is not a Talmid Chacham? #1347900anon1m0usParticipantSo of course, I am a Talmud Chacham, but my wife isn’t the daughter of one. Neither did she go to seminary! It did not occur to me in my feeble daas at the time that this could be a potential issue. Our teenage son is now on the path to becoming Modern. I am thinking my wife may be the cause as her father and her upbringing are insufficient! I am klehring that it may be time to divorce her as it just doesn’t ‘past’ for us to be together, if our offspring will not be capable of handling the true Ol Torah. Considering the shidduch crisis, where there is a 20% surplus of single, worthy bnos yisroel waiting for their bashert, I am klehring if Hakadosh Boruch Hu is giving me the machshava to marry a more worthy woman and doing a lofty chesed of providing a young single woman the zechus to bear children from a Talmid chacham. Perhaps then, we can be zoche to bring true Talmidei Chacochim in this world?
anon1m0usParticipantIt is time: But we do have some idea e.g.( Hilchos Parah Adumah 3:4 ): We are talking about how he will run the government and it’s army. Not bring korbabos etc.
anon1m0usParticipantIt is time: You are contracting the navi as it says in Shmuel 1 that Hashem tore the kingdom from Shual and gave it to Dovid because he did not kill the Amalek king. In addition, you are contradicting the gemara in Eiruvin 53b that clearly says hashem forgave him for the massacre of Nov. The chida explains why they deserved to be killed. Can you please provide a gemara that you are quoting that contradicts this gemara?
As I also stated before, the Mosha in Sotah perek 8 misha 8 clearly states a bride can even go to war. Is there an opposing mishna?
You are also distorting the posek of Lo Silbash to your own needs. There is no lo silbosh for women to own or even carry a gun. A gun is not a men’s attire that is designed for men.anon1m0usParticipantIt is time: “Foolish. One of rare times the gemara is darush Ta’amei D’kra.” —Again, you are distorting the torah. The torah clearly says not to have a lot of horses because “”You are not to go back that way again” Nothing about war chariots. The end result, Shlomo probably married the Egyptian princess on one of his trips down to Egypt and she caused shlomo a lot of problems. The posek also says HE cannot own, but nothing about war chariots or army. If you believe otherwise, please provide a SOURCE, not mere words. And again, Shlomo’s son lost the kingdom NOT because of Lo Yarbeh, but because of high taxes. Again, please see Malachim 1 for details.
Have you learned Yeshaya Chapter 11??? It has nothing to do with Moshiachs political or military responsibilities. It discusses how he will be a tzadik and he will gather the jews. Again- HOW will moshiach rule? Will he be a true monarch or will there be a democracy? Please provide a source.
anon1m0usParticipantAvi: Source is The chida in pesach einaim Erivin, Daf Peh heh
anon1m0usParticipantit is time: “When the chashmonaim battled the yevanim to defend religion and freedom, did women fight? Were they even permitted? !
In Dovid Hamelech’s army, did women fight? Were they even permitted? !
In kibush ha’aretz under Yehoshua and later,did women fight?Were they even permitted? !”That is two separate questions: Did they fight? No. Were they permitted? Yes. Again, please see the mishna.
anon1m0usParticipantIt is time” So Nov Ir Hakohanim deserved death for disobeying shaul?” Yes. According to the meforshim, they were Mored B’ma;chus. Please see the Chida (pesach einaim) on this where the mere fact they allowed Dovid to use the Urim Vtmim, King Shaul ruled they were Mored Bmalchs and deserved to die.
anon1m0usParticipantIt is time: What does Devorim have to do with anything? It has nothing to do with an Army, but with horses, wives and gold. Also, after Saul, Israel had a regular standing army in addition to citizen solders were required to serve to fill the ranks. In Malachim 1, Perek 10 has Shlomo Hamelech have 1400 chariots and 12,000 horsemen. The pasuk says he stationed them in certain cities to show that this is a REGULAR STANDING ARMY who were stationed throughout Israel and not just Citizen solders who are called into battle..
anon1m0usParticipantIt is time: Who knows what will be when Moshiach comes. He may well be just like Queen Elizabeth or he may be like a real king. I do not presume to know what will be when Moshiach comes. All I am stating is the halachic requirements of what a Jewish Army can be comprised of. Will we have Korbanous? Who knows and I do not worry about it. My job is to make sure I do my part for him to come. What Moshiach decides after, it is up to him.
anon1m0usParticipantPlease try to keep your posts shorter. Thank you
anon1m0usParticipantAvi : what are you referring too? I am saying that Dovid DID have a private army. We are saying the same.
anon1m0usParticipantMdd1: Where did you get your source that a king cannot have a private army. Please provisde.
Bloody History??? Please read Nach again.
anon1m0usParticipantMentsch1: Do you really believe the rishonnim would argue against tanaaim (this is an explicit Mishna is Sotah)? Also, I never said mixed. I said they can be in the army.
mdd1: Actually, I believe that is incorrect. According to the Rambam (perek 5), he needs to ask permission from the Sanhedrin if he takes the “people” to a discretionary war. But I do not believe this applies to his own army. He can wage war using his army without permission of the Sanhedrin. In addition, even the rambam agrees that fighting for the survival of Israel and Jews would fall under a Milchemes Mitzvah which does not require the Sanhedrin’s approval .
Regardless of the halacha, in hindsight, if our kings actually listened to the Sanhedrin we would not be in today’s galus and our history wouldn’t have been so bloody.
anon1m0usParticipantJoseph & Mentsch: My point is not to point out our questionable history, but the concept of a “Jewish Army” following Halacha is a foreign concept. A Jewish Army follows the halacha, not because a King tell them to follow the halacha or because of the Sanhedrin. They follow it because each individual in that army follows the halacha. As stated, the Army follows the king, not Sanhedrin. If a soldier decides to follow Sanhedrin and not the king, he is killed for Mored B’Malchus.
Menthsch- Yes, hashem performs miracles but ein somchin al haness. After all is said and done, there are halachos that require people to serve in the army; even women! (see Sotah Perek 8) which I am sure the Sanhedrin would also force. So while it is a nice story, the reality is that whoever is required to fight must fight, and as Rashi explains they had officers standing in the back lines with axes in their hand to chop off the legs of people who wanted to run away.
So to summarize, a Jewish Army Al Pi Halacha is an army that each individual upholds the halacha. Al Pi Halacha, this army can contain Men and Women. This Army can fight on Shabbos and when moshiach comes, will also ask Sanhedrin regarding halachic issues and since the king will be Moshiach, there will be no issues. Until then, the army follows the Prime Minister and asks all halachic questions to the chief rabbi.
anon1m0usParticipantMDD1: Actually, Avner was punished for his passiveness in allowing them to be killed. Please see Sanhedrin 20.
Even though there were conscious objectors, the army DID kill out the city on the command of a mercenary, Doeg. So my premise stands. 1) The Jewish army did contain mercenaries. 2) The King controlled the army, not the Sanhedrin. 3) the army did what the king commanded, not to upkeep the Torah. If The king decides to enforce the Torah, the army would comply as we see by Yehoshya. The Army was also used to kill innocent people like Saul, Menashe, Yannai, Alexander, and the rest of the dozens of Jewish Kings that used to army to kill innocent people.anon1m0usParticipantHappy: You obviously did not learn nach in yeshiva! How many king’s can you count that enforced the torah? I can only name 2-3, can you name more? I would like to know!
Throughout Jewish history, the kings used his army to fight civil wars (that means killing other Jews), kill talmida chocomim, kill Bnai Yisroel who wanted to be Orla Regel!, the armys killed out almost ALL of Beni Dovid on the orders of Queen Athalyah. For your sake, I hope this was NOT a Jewish army, but mercenaries because how could the sanhedrin who were the top commanders have allowed this!!!!???? Please go learn some Nach and you may be shocked that our history was bloody and cruel!Dovid Hamelech’s army was comprised of outcasts, see Shmuel 1, perek 22, which clearly states that his initial army, and later the core of his regular army were outcasts. Yes, there may be 1 or 2 famous people, but the majority were not!
Yes, you can bring the medrish of Ben Sora Imorah, or that it never happened etc…but the HALACHA still remains!
How would you classify the current IDF? Milchemes Mitzvah or Rehus, or Cheyuv? Based on the Ramban it would be a mitzvah and according to the Mishna in Sotah, there are not exemptions (there is a machlokes) and even WOMEN must go fight or help!
So again, please show me ONE instance throughout the torah where the King says do A, and then Sanhedrin says do B, the army listened to the Sanhedrin???!!!! All I need is ONE instance! Until then, I will stand by my premise that a Jewish Army was there for the King to order them to enforce the torah (if he felt like it) or kill other jews! They were not there to enforce the torah, but to enforce the Kings word.
If Dovid or Saul wanted them to enforce the torah, like Yehoshaya, then they did, but that was not their job!
anon1m0usParticipantLilmod: Based on your standards, I would rather have a “non frum Army” who is worried about being court marshaled than a frum one. Don’t we have the parsha of Isha Yefas Tohar? This gives a blanket waiver to any soldier to capture, rape, and even marry a non jewish woman captured in battle.
Imagine the outcry from the frum communities if the Israeli army did that in 1967 to the Arab women?The point of a Jewish Army is to protect the land of Israel, not the Torah. The rabbanim and sanhedrin are the Jewish army for protecting the Torah. No where in our history was the Jewish army ever required to follow the rabbonim. In addition, throughout our history, a large part of our army were mercenaries starting back from Dovid (maybe even Shaul) and on.
An Israeli army would have every male eligible drafted in the army. In your downtime, open a gemara and learn. Not even in today’s Israeli army do they stop someone from learning on their downtime.
Yes, they will need to work on Shabbos.When moshiach comes, they can put down their guns and go back to learn, which I doubt as the gemara in Shabbos discussed if the soldiers would be allowed to carry a sword on shabbos once moshiach is here. So it seems that even then we would need an army.
anon1m0usParticipantI’m sick and tired of being sick and tired….by the great Reb Ozzy.
All we are is dust in the wind.. Kansis.
Trust in who you are, because nothing else matter…..Yeshiva of Metallica.
Wow, the list goes on and on and on.
anon1m0usParticipantstupid question. Get a life
anon1m0usParticipantJoseph: It would be neglectful to not point out that under Muslim rule, we had limited rights to the Kosel. The beautiful plaza that we currently have was forbidden under the Ottoman and British rule. As with the current access to mokom kedoshin under the PA rule, we would be murdered if we try to vist the Kosel under the PA rule.
anon1m0usParticipantNo issue going and no issue using a towel as it is derech lichluch. See gemara shabbos 147B
anon1m0usParticipantYou have Ponavitch, Mir, etc….lots of MO are there discussed as shtark yeshiva bochurim.
anon1m0usParticipantsimple…if you are not gonna listen to your rav anyways and listen to us, don’t wear a hat period. Avoid the whole issue.
anon1m0usParticipantNothing to discuss. Shocked it is even open for a discussion. Learn misechtos Brochos. Discusses davvening on a donkey, tree, etc
July 2, 2015 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm in reply to: Non religious argument against same sex marriage #1089848anon1m0usParticipantFirst off, the federal government has no rights to what transpires in the bedroom. This should be a state issue. The same way one state can ban guns while others allow it.
2nd….based on the logic that equality includes all, incest and polygamy should also be permitted based on the notion as adults we are free to love whomever our hearts desires. The only rationale was based on religious law that forbids these marriages so now that this no longer applies, the other types of marriages should be allowed. Especially if I want to marry my dog Bernard as we are so close and love each other.
May 6, 2015 3:19 am at 3:19 am in reply to: Emunas Chachomim: Accepting Advice of Chachom is learned from Moshe #1075661anon1m0usParticipantB”H for this thread. I always needed to cut out some of davvening. It is getting to long. We can cut out Atah Chonen Ladam Daas. Who needs Daas when we have chachomim.
Who needs plumbers, I can call my Rav and receive a brocha!
anon1m0usParticipantAll i know was the wings were great and the salsa was awesome!
anon1m0usParticipantA better question is: Do you want a college or a continuation of high school?
anon1m0usParticipantThis week’s parsha also says: ???-???????? ?????; ??????? ???-??????-??????????, ??????????.
A person needs to do hishtadlus.
@FFBBT613- Do what you like, but it is selfish of you to expect someone else to support you. Either support yourself or you need to accept your lifestyle. As you stated, this is not a question of your parents accepting a kollel lifestyle; since it seems they do. They won’t support nor it is their responsibility to support you. If you feel you are old enough to get married and raise a family, you should also be old enough to support yourself.
The decision is ultimately yours, no one else. As people explained, it is hard. Be ready to accept not getting new clothing, limited amount of choices of food and not always paying your bills. As people explained, it is doable, but don’t make the decision lightly.
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