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July 7, 2017 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm in reply to: Another glorious nonsensical back and forth between Health and Ubiquitin #1312946Avi KParticipant
Ubitiquin,
1. The point is that socialism destroys medical care just as it destroys everything else. In every country (including Israel) that junked it the economy soared. Just to give one example here, when the phone company was part of the Ministry of Communications it literally took years to get a line. Privatization knocked it down to a couple of weeks and in the main cities even less.
2. The Torah definitely does support capitalism, that is to say, private ownership of the means of production (thus workers’ cooperatives are also a form of capitalism). The ideal of the messianic age is
…וְכִתְּתוּ חַרְבֹתֵיהֶם לְאִתִּים וַחֲנִיתֹתֵיהֶם לְמַזְמֵרוֹת לֹא יִשְׂאוּ גּוֹי אֶל גּוֹי חֶרֶב וְלֹא יִלְמְדוּן עוֹד מִלְחָמָה. וְיָשְׁבוּ אִישׁ תַּחַת גַּפְנוֹ וְתַחַת תְּאֵנָתוֹ וְאֵין מַחֲרִיד כִּי פִי ה’ צְבָאוֹת דִּבֵּר (Micha 4,3-4).
In fact, according to Halacha (unlike, lehavdil, secular law) an employee may waive rights that accrue to him by force of custom. The government in enjoined not to overtax (Nehemia 5:15, Midrash HaGadol Shemot 21 Introduction to parasha, Ple Yoetz “tikkun”, Rav S.R. Hirsch “Horev” 95:604). Some poskim have even ruled that rent control is not binding as dina d’malchuta as it is robbery of property owners enacted by people influenced by communism and socialism (Responsa Havetzelet HaSharon 2 CM 8 d”h v’nira d’harav miTarana and Responsa Maharshag 3, 125). Even those halachot that protect employees can be seen as property protections – the employee has a proprietary interest in his job.July 7, 2017 8:02 am at 8:02 am in reply to: Another glorious nonsensical back and forth between Health and Ubiquitin #1312792Avi KParticipantUbituqin, that is because the ERs have to give free treatment. Waitinglsits for surgery in Canada and the UK and super long. Socialism turns gold into lead.
Columbiagrad,
1. Many professions do not require college degrees. For example, a paralegal need not have attended a degree program. In fact, even lawyers did not have to go to college at one time. They apprenticed themselves to experienced lawyers who taught them the job and prepared them for the bar exam.
2. In order to demand a living wage one must produce more than that wage. That is Economics 101.Avi KParticipantThere was a certain wealthy businessman in Brisk who gave the seudat mafseket for the poor every erev Yom Kippur. One year they could not find him and turned to Rav Chaim. He looked around and saw the man in the bet midrash learning. “What are you doing here?” “Money is hevel havelim. I am going to just learn from now on.” “Get out and go back to your business. The poor people are depending on you.”
Avi KParticipantThe Netziv says that Hashem asks different things from different people. It is almost prohibited for someone in one group (talmidei chachamim, baalei battim, communal leaders) to do the job of another group. The Chafetz Chaim likened it to a soldier going to another unit without permission. He is considered to be a deserter.
July 6, 2017 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm in reply to: Another glorious nonsensical back and forth between Health and Ubiquitin #1312001Avi KParticipantAvram, who says that the general welfare would be promoted by socialized medicine. In fact, socialism has always turned gold into lead. In countries where this exists people clog up ERs and clinics with imaginary or minor illnesses just to talk to someone or simply because it is free.
Avi KParticipantChugibugi, unfortunately there is a general disconnect between what people learn and what the do. See : Aharon Hersh Fried’s article Is There a Disconnect between Torah Learning and Torah Living?
And If So, How Can We Connect Them? A Focus on Middos in Hakirah (on-line).July 6, 2017 1:46 am at 1:46 am in reply to: Another glorious nonsensical back and forth between Health and Ubiquitin #1311644Avi KParticipantJoseph, what about civil society? What about encouraging people to work?
A person who gets something “free” (someone has to pay) or (better) at a price in accordance with his income has no claim on luxury housing. He should live in a mini-house or apartment with only basic appliances. On settlements many people live in mobile home camps or small apartments built as rentals by homeowners.Avi KParticipantDY, you are attacking a straw man. Maybe stop using Yiddish words and use Ladino. Better yet, Hebrew. That is the language of all of Am Yisrael.
Avi KParticipantMA, using the word “Yid” (“Jew” in Jargon, a.k.a. pidgin German) is not only Sephardi-bashing but mimicking Archie Bunker, who also called us that. Let the dead non-language rest in pieces (there is Polish Jargon, Hungarian Jargon, etc.)
Avi KParticipant1. The air and ground of Lakewood are tamei (Rambam Hilchot Tumat Met 11:1). I will go even further than Tak. The house of the worst anti-religious politician in Israel has more kedusha than all of Lakewood.
2. By living off welfare they are doing a tremendous chillul Hashem besides the problematic nature of accepting tzedaka from gentiles (see SA YD 354:1).
Avi KParticipantUnfortunately, some people think that they are still in Poland. The fact of the matter is that many Jews did get religiously but not civilly married there as the law severely restricted the right of Jews to marry. However, to get benefits to which one is not really entitled is at best, as we say in Israel, כשר אבל מסריח. At worst it is illegal. A few decades back a couple realized that their combIned tax liability as two singles was substantially less than their liability as a couple so they divorced but continued to live together. The IRS disallowed their trick. In states that recognize common-law marriage it is definitely theft.
What really irks me is comparisons to other groups and Donald Trump. Should Jews be emulating their deficiencies? It also amazes me that the same people who are in an uproar over the peccadilloes of the Kushners, which may even be permitted in their situation, make all kinds of excuses for the alleged severe Torah prohibitions (and even worse but if I mention them this post will not pass moderation –
המבין יביו).Once Rav Yaakov Kmainetzky was asked how it happened that the children of a lamdan all went OTD but the children of a simple Jew stayed observant. He answered that the former cheated in business whereas the latter was scrupulously honest. Their children took note. On this see Be’er HaGolah CM 388:11. BTW, some Jewish communities in Europe kept lists of cheats, those who did not repay loans , etc. and gave them to the authorities and individual gentiles (Jewish Law Annual v. 9 p. 72) in order to prevent them from bringing the community into disrepute.
Avi KParticipantJoseph, there is a whole website that informs single mothers of possible benefits. called singlemomhelp.
Mammele, riding in a chartered bus on Shabbat is at most uvda d’chol if the driver and most of the passengers are gentile (Rav Moshe prohibits it but there was a “Jew’s ticket in Mumbai during British rule). Stealing is a Torah prohibition and Yom Kippur does not help until it is forgiven. Moreover, as you noted, the former is not a chillul Hashem whereas the latter is.
Health, you brought up the issue so I suggested a solution. If you agree with me yasher koach.
Avi KParticipantEliezer, I am willing to judge them favorably and assume that they get hand-me-downs from rich people who change their clothes every few months and have rich relatives who foot the bills for their vacations (I personally have friends whose lifestyles are more than what their incomes – from work – would allow because they have parents who would rather see them enjoy the money than leave it to them after they are gone). However, people should not be ostentatious even if they can afford it. Rambam says in Hilchot Deot that a talmid chacham wears average clothes, not expensive and not cheap. The Chatam Sofer adds that ostentatious living in Chutz laAretz arouses the jealousy of the gentiles (if I may I will add that in EY it is a kiddush Hashem as they want to learn from us).
Health, so cut down on the number of kollel guys to a few outstanding learners. The rest should get jobs. Ner Yisrael has a deal with Johns Hopkins to give a recognized BA in Talmudic Literature which can be used towards an MBA or law degree. The Aguda runs courses in Brooklyn for professions that do not necessarily require a degree. Why can’t they do that in Lakewood? Do they believe that poverty is a virtue (se Nedarim 64b)?
Avi KParticipantJoseph, have you done teshuva since the threads on the Kushners? BTW, the laws of LH also apply to tinnokot shenishbu and certainly where you do not know if the Jew is observant. It is technically permitted regarding gentiles and Jews who are evil doers (and that includes any aveira which is generally known as well as baalei machloket – see Sefer Chafetz Chaim ch.8). However, it is not a good habit to develop as one will come to say it about observant Jews (Tanna d’bei Eliahu discusses this and see Devarim Rabba Ki Titzei 6:9 with Radal, Sheilta 28:1, Orchot Chaim of the Rosh 83 with Rav Yehezkel Sarna, Rav Binyamin Zilber, Rav Menashe Klein and Rav Chaim Kanievsky,, Responsa Az Nidbaru 14:69:4 and Hut HaShani Hilchot Shemirat HaLashon p. 357). Not to mention that the fact that there will be a chillul Hashem if it is discovered.
Avi KParticipantYitz, Chazal say (Shabbat 135b) that an eight-month baby is considered dead and it is prohibited to violate Shabbat for it. The Chazon Ish (Yoreh Deah 155:4), Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Shemirat Shabbat k’Hilchata , I:35:24) and Rav Wosner ((Yoreh Deah 155:4)Shevet HaLevi 3:141 and 8:89:7) say that today that is no longer true. Do you consider them Reform c”v? I suggest very strongly that you be very careful about what you write (see Pirkei Avot 1:1).
Avi KParticipantLB, It is a discussion of the blemishes for which a woman can refuse yibum. Even if her husband had the same blemish she can say that her husband was worth putting up with it but his brother is not. As for love changing, you are confusing the Western idea of love with the Jewish idea, which is having two halves of the same soul and thus wanting to give to the other, The Hebrew word אהבה is related to the Aramaic word הב (give).
DY, what will you answer when you are asked if you leard דבר בתוך דבר?
Avi KParticipantJoseph, mishpat hamelech can be at whatever standard the authorities deem proper. See Ran in Derasha 11 regarding the obvious practical reasons. The philosophical reason, as I understand it, is that the bet din’s job is to enable the criminal to atone whereas the secular authorities’ job is to maintain public order.
There is no justification for stealing! There should not only be glatt kosher but glatt yosher!
Avi KParticipantWhat about Haredi violence both in Yerushalayim and Ramat Bet Shemesh? As for the videos, what happened before they began?
Avi KParticipantWhat about Haredi violence both in Yerushalayim and Ramat Bet Shemesh? As for the videos, what happened before they begon?
Avi KParticipantChazal were right in their time. However, if they would come to life now they would change their ruling.
Avi KParticipantHealth, are you serious? They were raking in millions through straw owners of businesses.
DY, in debt? They made a million but spent $2 million? I wouldn’t be surprised if money laundering and tax evasion charges are added because of the money funneled from the businesses.
Avi KParticipantNo. Rav Moshe has a teshuva about which I do not have time right now to find. He also forbade cheating on the Regents ((HM II:30).
Avi KParticipantAkuperma some yeshivot (including those in Israel for English-speakers) offer recognized BAs in Talmudic Literature. I now a rav who has a nephew who got into law school with one plus, of course, a high grade on the LSAT.
Avi KParticipantRY, it depends on the disease. Thus at least some rabbanim advise people not to reveal minor issues until well into the process. Love conquers all (EH 165:4).
Avi KParticipantDY, what about her connections with her teachers?
Ubiquitin, a boy who was interested in a shidduch with Rav Yisrael Salanter’s granddaughter sent him some chiddushei Torah in an attempt to impress him. RYS said to his associates “He is an ilui. now find out if he is a mentsch”.
Avi KParticipantJoseph, look up the Maharal. See also קונרקס יביא עזרי under גדר יבדוק באחיה (on-line). I also saw in the name of both the Chazon Ish and Rav Ovadia that if she is a baalat teshuva her brothers donb’t count and that a girl who learned in a seminary is considered a bat talmid chacham.
Avi KParticipantDid I miss a second coming?
Avi KParticipantI saw his picture in the Wikipedia. Pretty cute. You can call him “Cap”.
Avi KParticipantYitz,
1. Duh. Margarine and vegetable oils have trans fats. Some have more, some have less.
2. Experts have said that these pictures help greatly. Litzman said that they will “disfigure” the state. I guess smoke does not.
3. Actually he was rated the most liked cabinet member. If Shelly Yachimovich would praise my performance (if I would be an MK), as she praised Litzman’s, I would demand a retraction and lifting of parliamentary immunity so that I could sue for defamation.
Avi KParticipantChilliworker,
1. Making it with margarine and vegetable oil keeps it parve. In any case, trans fats in moderation are not harmful and unlike cigarettes are not addictive.
2. Litzman is against any type of warning.
3. Ma’alot-Tarshiha Mayor Shlomo Buhbut called him “the worst health minister ever” and claimed he was responsible for “the collapse of medical system in the periphery.” (Jerusalem Post).Avi KParticipantYitz,
1. Google “JERUSALEM KUGEL” and look at the nutritional info.
2. Cigarettes are much more dangerous and affect others. Moreover his reason is foolish. Who cares about the aesthetics of cigarette packs?Joseph, see Hasagat Gevul: Economic Competition in Jewish Law by Rabbi Chaim Jachter.
June 27, 2017 1:36 am at 1:36 am in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1304670Avi KParticipantMammele,
1. So write a letter to the Kushners. According to your opinion there is no issur of LH as all of our actions affect all of us. By publicly condemning them (and I reiterate that as you are relying on news reports which may not be fully accurate you are at least over on kabbalat LH) you are arrogating to yourself the role of posek. Do you have a license to pasken? Do you know all of the details?
2. Regarding those Jews who worked on Shabbat in America, they have already been judged by the one True Judge.
3 Rabbi B obviously had no halachic answer (if this anecdote really happened – I personally take these stories with a metric ton of salt). Would he say that to a woman who is in labor? Would he even say that to someone who wants to know if he can drink soup that was reheated on Shabbat, which Rambam , Rashba, and Ran allow (see Mishna Berura 318:2)? I am underwhelmed by your story.
June 26, 2017 12:31 pm at 12:31 pm in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1303956Avi KParticipantDY, it was a Freudian slip. נברק means “polished” or “sent urgently”.
Ubiquitin, if one needs to eat it for pikuach nefesh it is indeed allowed. However, the accusations against the Kushners involve d’rabbanas or even just oovda d’chol for which there is more room for a rav. On the other hand, LH involves many violations of Torah mitzvot as well as curses. MSR is, of course, much worse.
Avi KParticipantLitzman thinks that he is our nanny. He also wants to ban anything with trans fats (although that will definitely get him into trouble as it would include kugel). However, for some reason he defends the cigarette companies. He even opposed requiring warning labels on packages as “unaesthetic”.
Avi KParticipantJoseph, the Maharal (Chiddushei Aggadot Baba Batra 110a) says to check her mother’s brothers. However, Rav Moshe and Rav Yaakvo Kaminetzky ruled decades ago that that does not hold true today as girls get most of their education in school.
June 26, 2017 1:32 am at 1:32 am in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1303709Avi KParticipantMammele,
1. Please explain the toelet that will come from this public discussion?
2. please explain why you do not believe in halachic principles such
שעת הדחק, צורך גדול, etc.
3. Please cite your source for gerim being held to a higher standard.
4. Please use a spell check. The word is spelled “business”.Avi KParticipantCTl, so in Hartford they are Yankees fans and in E. Hartford they are Red Sox fans? What if someone lives on a houseboat? LOL
Avi KParticipantGadolhadorah, the problem is that they are dedicated to piling regs on the people. A number of books have been written about how everyone in the US in violation of some obscure law or reg. At least legislators are accountable to the people but regulators work in ivory towers. During the Obama administration the Feds alone added 20,642 new ones! Meanwhile, Netanyahu and Shaked are working to deregulate the Israeli economy and stop the flood of new private bills.
June 25, 2017 7:35 am at 7:35 am in reply to: Book Review – One Above and Seven Below: A Consumer's Guide to Orthodox Judaism #1303342Avi KParticipantJoseph, see מגמת האדם on the website of the Betel yeshiva regarding
בשבילי נברק אדם.Regarding extradition, if we want other countries to extradite criminals to Israel we will have to extradite them to other countries. It should be noted that every extradition treaty provides:
1. There must be a solid prima facie case that the accused committed an act which is a crime in Israel.
2. He may not be subject to the death penalty.
3. If he was a legal resident of Israel at the time he committed the crime he has the right to serve his sentence in Israel.June 25, 2017 1:21 am at 1:21 am in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1303321Avi KParticipantR4, Greenblatt went together with Kushner and David Friedman.
June 23, 2017 11:04 am at 11:04 am in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1302924Avi KParticipantMammela, tzedakt mimeni. Sorry, Wolf.
June 23, 2017 7:52 am at 7:52 am in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1302884Avi KParticipantMammele. where do I call her Ivana?
Wolf, a motzi shem ra is someone who libels or slanders. therefor, you cannot be a motzi shem ra and correct.
Mod, why all the editing? I know that I did not write anything particularly bad.
Avi KParticipantCTl, I would have thought that as a New Englander you would be a Red Sox fan.
June 22, 2017 8:50 am at 8:50 am in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1302209Avi KParticipantShauli, Mentsch1 wrote that.
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Avi KParticipantCTL, what about weasel words (e.g. “effective”, “constructive”) or the famous, non-existent “reasonable man”. In fact, George C. Christie wrote an article in the Duke U Law Review titled Vagueness and Legal Language and Timothy A. O. Endicott wrote a book called Vagueness in Law that argue that vagueness is the Law’s stock in trade.
What about saying that nobody goes to a certain restaurant because it is too crowded? LOL (BTW, for what it is worth Yogi passed away on Yom Kippur night).Avi KParticipantJoseph, also much higher living costs and taxes.
Avi KParticipantR4, I do not know that people go to other countries just to get divorced. Of course, if an Israeli couple lives abroad they can divorce according the laws of the country. For this reason, some rabbis reportedly look for witnesses who are not halachically qualified when marrying non-observant couples.
ZD, the problem is if they have a halachic to please their parents and then a civil divorce. BTW, there is civil divorce in Israel for couples from different religious communities or other couples who married abroad but whose marriages are not recognized by any religious community (e.g. toeva couples).
June 22, 2017 1:26 am at 1:26 am in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1302179Avi KParticipantWolf, you are motzi shem ra . If you are not a dayan you are paskening without a license. Anyone who says otherwise is 100% incorrect.
Joseph, yes, his conversion is valid (SA YD 268:2 and 12).
Avi KParticipantGolfer, YW. Howevere, the Geula actually comes in stages (Yerushalmi Berachot 1:1). Since 5708 we have been in the Geula mode. Now Israel is an major economic player and if Netanyahu makes good on his plans for further deregulation it will become a world powerhouse. We are also nearing the point where a majority of the Jewish people will live here. This means major changes both on the spiritual and halachic levels.
Avi KParticipantCTL, OK, OK. There were almost no day schools. I guess if you would be alone in a room you would not tell someone on your cell phone that nobody is there.
ZD, not correct about the Bund. Anilevitz, Zuckerman and Lubetkin were HaShomer HaTzair. Pawel Frenkel of the Jewish Military Organization was a Beitarnik.
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