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Mewntsch, what about Tora im derech eretz? As ffor Ner Yisrael, my understanding is that they have an arrangement where bachurim can take college courses in professional studies. They also give degrees in Talmudic literature whose main value is to get into law school.
Charlie, the Conservative temple in Riverdale, at least as I remember, is not in an area where there is a great deal of parking and walking is not a problem. In fact, that may be the morning constitutional. In suburban and exurban areas it is much different.
Rabbi of Crawley, if the samll “c” was deliberate I agree with you. BTW, in Rav Kook’s time there was only “chareidi” and “chofshi”. Rav Kook objected (“Massa HaMachanot” printed in “Maamarei HaRaya”) as they prevent teshuva. People who are called “chareidi” think that it means that tey are 100% and people who are called “chofshi” think that it doe snot apply to them.
Charlie, are we talking about the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale? There are two other shuls in the immediate vicinity.
Joseph, they are the victims of their own success. RZs are so well integrated that msot do not respond to identity politics. In fact, two of the most senior Likud MKs, Tzippy Hotobelli and Ze’ev Elkin, are RZs.
Health, I have no problem whatsoever. However due to my humility and modesty I am waiting for a phone call and the third request after I turn down the first two.
There is a tremendous machloket regarding what actually happened during the interrogations. Their lawyers and the rav of their community claim that they were tortured but a string of right-wing politicians who saw classified information claim that they were not and, moreover, they were literally plotting to foment a revolution. A list of rabbanim signed a petition demanding an investigation and another list signed a petition supporting the Shabach. BTW, Mar Zutra the Chassid also applied what the Israeli Supreme Court (Bagatz) has termed “moderate physical pressure” (Baba Metzia 24a – and see Sheeta Mekubetzet) in order to extract a confession:
How does one define Chareidi in the American context? Generally speaking the Litvaks have academic degrees and work in secular professions, often not in specifically Jewish offices. When they make aliya they are very likely to ghettoize because of the vast cutural and hashkafic divide between them and Israeli Charedim (when Rav Leff opened “Maarava” and introduced secular studies he was excoriated by the Chareidi press and when someone I knew told a barber that he lived in Telz Stone and claimed that it is Chareidi the barber said “American Chareidi”). Sometimes they gravitate to Chardal communities (in Bet-el Bet there are a number of men who wear hats on Shabbat, almost all American or Russian).
Nishtdayngesheft,
1. While there are are some talmidim who seem to feel that way that is not the impression that I get from Rabbi Weiss. In fact, when I knew him (albeit thirty years ago) I had the distinct impression that he is much more frum than he lets on.
2. If they called themselves a halfway house no one would come.
2. Rav Asher Weiss says at the end of Minchat Asher on Sefer Bereisheet that today we have to bring people back with chesed as did Avraham Avinu.
3. How dare you make such a statement? How do you know where they have gone?
FYI, Rabbi Weiss explicitly used the term “became so frum”.
On the contrary HaKatan, MO goes back to Yosef. Crying during davening? I have never seen this inb a yeshivish minyan. Perhaps there is someone who wrote in his sidur “??? ?????”. As for OO, there are many problems but some people need a halfway house. I once heard Rabbi Weiss comment that many people who started at HIR will no longer daven there. You should also differentiate between secular and religious Zionism. The latter is, in fact, the expression of 2,000 years of religious yearnings.
I heard of a yeshiva guy who was trying to decide what profession he should study. His rebbe asked which masechta he most enjoyed learning. He said Eruvin. His rebbe advised him to become an architect.
Joseph , who are “we”? Apparently Rav Ammi (Yevamot 78b) did want them to survive. The solution for men is as I posted. A woman is not obligated in peria v’revia so probably she would be allowed to marry a mamzer or ger who cannot have children or already did the mitzva and take preventive measures. Adoption might also be an option (see Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky, Chayei Olam Ch. 31 in the name of the Chafetz Chaim, Shem Olam Ch. 15).
CA, I do not say anything. Rav Yosef Karo says it based on Rabbi Tarfon (Kiddushin 69a). See also Bet Shmuel and Chlekat Mechokek thatt his was allowed for the sake of the child – which means that here is no need for him to become an eved Ivri. Moreover, the Mechaber does not include any halchot that are not in force in our time and until Yovel is re-established there cannot be an eved Ivri (Rambam, Hilchot Avadim 1:10).You say? Do you have broad enough shoulders to disagree with the above? If not, cite someone who does.
In any case, poskim go to great lengths to clear someone from mamzerut. I heard that once Rav Moshe discovered that a BT’s mother was under psychiatric care when she married her first husband (who did not give her a get). He went to the psychiatrist personally and told him that he had only lived so long in order to clear the girl (the psychiatrist was by then quite elderly). The info allowed Rav Moshe to rule that the mother was halachically a shottah at the time of her first marriage. Similarly, it is well-known that Rav Moshe was meikal regarding women who had been married in non-Orthodox ceremonies. Possel eidim also occur. Once someone told me that before he became observant he was a witness at his sister’s wedding.
Coffe Addict, on the contrary, it is halacha peskua that the children are avadim and once they are freed they become regular gerim (Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer 4,20).
Neville, all agree that it is a”z (at least the Trinitarian denominations). The question is whether or not it is a type that is permitted to gentiles.
He can go to a country that allows slavery and buy a shifcha Kenanit. After they have a boy and a girl he can free all of them and marry her as she will be a gioret. She should be allowed to prevent pregnancy as she is not obligated.
Karlbenmarx (very appropriate – see “On the Jewish Question”), so you support Arab terror? As for the best iron dome being the bet midrash why do they run away from any city on which a missile falls, not to mention the mass exodus of chutznikim when the first Gulf War started.
Zahavasdad, the concept of the Trinity is idolatrous (although some, such as the Unitarians, do not believe in it). However, as all believe in Gd according to many poskim gentiles are not over on their prohibition.
MW13,
1. Rabbenu Tam rules (Bechorot 2:2 d”h shema itchayev) that sheetuf is permitted to gentiles and this is the view of the Rema (OC 156:1)
2. Rambam does not consider any other religion avoda zara (Iggeret HaShemad). While eh does not allow establishing a new religion he does allow them to adopt any of our mitzvot except Shabbat and talmud Tora (Hilchot Melachim 10,9-10). As Xtianity and Islam are offshoots of Judaism (Kuzari) it is a question as to into which category they fall.
3. In the same video Rabbi Riskin stated that any Jew who accepts Xtianity turns his back on the Jewish people.
4. The main problem with the statement is the use of the word “truth” which can be taken in different ways (there are, in a manner of speaking, two truths – the taryag mitzvot and the sheva mitzvot).
5. I think that it is abundantly clear that the two main threats today are a secular liberalism that is trying to force everyone to bow down to the idol of “equality”, as Oregon bakers Melissa and Aaron Klein discovered, and radical Islamism. On these threats, as well as on Eretz Yisrael, we have common cause with Xtians. I agree that the RCA, Moetzet Gedolei HaTora and NCYI should analyze the subject and issue statements. I do not agree that they should dismiss it out of hand but should demand some revision.
6. Is YWN now a country that it has a Chief Rabbi?
Since when is it allowed to use a woman’s name? A certain frum Israeli publication ran the column of a certain female columnist under the byline “C. Glick”.
MW13. Mdd and Health,
1. Yeshayahu (60,21) appointed me.
2. What about people who do aveirot such as chillul Shabbat out of habit (aveirot anashim melumadim)? See Rambam Hilchot Shiggagot 2:2 that even lack of knowledge of the seriousness of the offense is considered shoggeg.
3.There are different definitions of tzaddik and rasha. See for example, Rambam Hilchot Teshuva 3,1-2.
Health, you are correct. We are the tzaddikim of the generation. Anti-Zionists, on the other hand …
M,
1. You wrote “Important note: there is a large in-between category not mentioned in this paragraph, namely those who do not observe – or even commit some sins – but without the malicious intent of heresy. Lashon Hara against someone in this middle category is forbidden.”
a. Why did you quotation marks?
b. Do you then admit that today’s non-observant are not in the above category as they lack malicious intent (BTW, l’havdil elf alfei hevdelim this concept also exists in secular law – it is called mens rea)?
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So you see, there is only a heter to speak badly of him so that other will not follow him. However, hating him is another matter. I note that Health has still not answered my questions as to whether he hates smokers and people who cheat on their taxes (l’sheetato).
Health, you can check it. How do I know when you post something in Hebrew that it is a faithful rendition?
Avram, child care allowance (and BTW, the US has allowances in the form of tax credits)s have been cut drastically and health care is semi-private (the National insurance Institute acts as a collection agent for the HMOs and also subsidizes them regarding the basic plan however all offer supplementary policies at extra cost on an actuarial basis). Pensions were privatized and converted from an entitlement basis to an actuarial basis.The phone company was privatized decades ago (and very quickly the time for getting a line went from years – and dependency on who was considered most in need and who had the most protektzia – to a couple of weeks.
As for job creation, whether or not you get the mitzva would depend on the machloket regarding whether or not mitzvot require intent. However, we compel people to give tzedaka so apparently it is more important that the needy are helped. I personally think that it is more efficient and a better form of tzedaka for the invisible hand to do so. The role of government is to pursue policies, both economic and legal (e.g. maintaining the integrity of contracts and property rights), that promote growth without inflation (thus a sound currency is a Tora value – see Shabbat 33b). As I pointed out, it is not only the jobs you personally create but also the jobs that are in turn created. Similarly, when you buy items you have a share in creating all of the jobs that are involved. When you save you also have a share as the bank lends money that creates jobs.
Is a sablefish (beshow) kosher?
Amen, Joseph.
Avram,
A rising tide lifts all boats. If people who have decent jobs do better they buy more. This creates more jobs.They can also give more to those who cannot work.
Everyone agrees that jobs lift people out of poverty. Moreover, the hero is the free market. Examples” Singapore, Hong Kong (even the Red Chinese are unwilling to kill this goose) and Slovakia. Not to mention Israel. In the early 2000s, Israeli living standards were comparable with those of Western Europe. In 2006, Israel was rated as having the 23rd-highest quality of life in the world by the United Nations Human Development Index. In 2010, Israel was ranked 15th in quality of life. In 2011, Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer said that Israel had a standard of living two-thirds as high as that of the United States. Overall poverty is high because of two very significant sectors that do not, by and large, participate in the job market: Chareidim and Arabs. (Wikipedia – Standard of Living in Israel).
Joseph, they are called entitlement programs because the leftists have so defined them. However, according to Judaism the highest form of tzedaka is to create productive jobs. The Schach explains that being that the giver also benefits the recipient feels no shame (Chazal assume that a normal person is ashamed to take charity calling it “bread of shame”). Thus the real social heroes are the entrepreneurs.
In addition, because of the distortion of true tzedaka people with connections prefer to throw money at the needy rather than helping them to stand on their own feet. There is a story about a Jew who knew an evyon but did not tell anybody about his plight because he wanted to be able to give him a mattana every Purim. I also have a sneaking suspicion that some have learned from the socialists that the way to control people is to keep them dependent. They will get used to their programs and thus feel obligated to vote for the party that provides them.
Health, here are the relevant passages with the conditions from the Project Genesis Web Site:
5. Speaking Lashon Hara About a Heretic
The prohibition against speaking Lashon Hara applies when spoken about someone who is considered “amitecha” (of your people), namely in observance of Torah and mitzvot. However, regarding those who are recognizably “apikorsim” (heretics), it is a mitzvah (fulfillment of a positive commandment) to disparage and shame them, to their face and behind their back, for everything that one witnesses or hears about them.
The Torah states (Lev. 25:17 & Lev. 19:16) “One should not wrong his fellow” and “Do not act as a talebearer among your people,” but heretics do not fit under this category for they do not act as “your people.” Therefore, we follow the practice (as taught in Avot D’Rabbi Natan, a work from the Talmudic era), “those who hate you, L-rd, I will hate, and your rebellious ones I will dispute.”
An “apikorus” (heretic) is one who denies the laws and prophecies of Israel, whether the Written Law or Oral Law. Even if he says, “All the Torah is true with the exception of one Scriptural verse, kal v’chomer, g’zeira shava, or one grammatical detail,” he is included in this category. [“Kal v’chomer” and “g’zeira shava” are Talmudic terms for two of the logical principles from which we understand many laws.]
*Important note: there is a large in-between category not mentioned in this paragraph, namely those who do not observe – or even commit some sins – but without the malicious intent of heresy. Lashon Hara against someone in this middle category is forbidden. The purpose of these laws permitting speech against an actual heretic is not for a community to degenerate into nasty name-calling, but rather to protect itself against the influence of those who flagrantly do not care about the image they set for the community and even intentionally wish to destroy it.
6. Determining Whether Someone is Considered an Apikorus
[The permissibility to speak against an apikorus (heretic)] applies if one heard words of heresy directly from an individual. However, if he heard the heresy second hand, he is forbidden to speak against the person, whether in his presence or behind his back. Rather, he should suspect the person as an apikorus, and also warn others to stay away from him until the matter is clarified. Further, he should not believe in his heart that the information is true, according to the laws against accepting Lashon Hara discussed in chapter 6.
Verification is required when one hears that an ordinary person has spoken heresy, but if the person is a publicly confirmed heretic one may speak Lashon Hara about him as if he heard the heresy himself.
7. Speaking Lashon Hara about an Established Sinner
If a resident of a city is an established sinner, violating well-known laws, it is permissible to speak Lashon Hara about him.
(Here the Chafetz Chaim refers to his footnote enumerating the conditions that must be fulfilled to speak Lashon Hara in this case:
The speaker must have constructive intentions to encourage others to avoid the ways of evil, once they realize that such behavior is disparaged, and perhaps even to inspire the sinner himself to repent. He should not intend to benefit from exposing the other’s faults, nor should he speak out of hatred.
The speaker may not exaggerate about the subject’s behavior.
The speaker also should not act deceitfully, disparaging the person privately behind his back, yet flattering him in his presence; he should be comfortable speaking about him publicly. If, however he has a specific fear of retribution or swishes to avoid a public controversy, he may tell individuals privately. The speaker must be certain that his intentions are to prevent others from learning from the sinner’s evil ways.)
Who is classified as an established sinner? One who is designated as such by the town elders, based on which there can be no doubt, due to constant, numerous reports regarding his adulterous acts or other transgressions that are of the type that everyone knows they are forbidden.
If, however, there were only a rumor about him, it would be forbidden on that basis to speak against him, Heaven forbid. Even to decide in one’s heart is forbidden, as we discussed previously in chapter 7.
8. Speaking Lashon Hara about Ba’alei Machloket
Regarding the permissibility to speak Lashon Hara about those who are “ba’alei machloket” (people who are either polemic by nature or regularly engage in prolonged public disputes), it applies in certain circumstances. If a dispute is rooted in a deception [which violates Torah law] on the part of one side [thereby called a “ba’al machloket”], and if exposure of the deception will reveal that his position violates the halacha and will, therefore, more quickly resolve the dispute, then Lashon Hara is permitted. If the dispute will not be resolved as a result of the Lashon Hara, it is forbidden.
In addition, the following conditions are required:
The individual or group on the deceiving side are established “ba’alei machloket,” not merely rumored to be such, but rather verified by the speaker himself.
The speaker must have pure intentions, as discussed above. He must speak out of desire to resolve the quarrel, not out of hatred.
If silencing the dispute can be done by means other than speaking about the dishonest individual or group, such as direct rebuke or the like, it is forbidden to resort to Lashon Hara. (Unless he is afraid to rebuke them, for when they learn that he does not agree with them, they will negate what he tells others, and he will have no way to further address the situation.)
Speaking against ba’alei machloket requires careful consideration, and one should not rush to decide that one side is wrong and conclude that they are the ba’alei machloket. Rather, he must deliberate thoroughly according to the guidelines of Torah law. And if one cannot clarify which of the parties is correct, it is better not to get involved. [end of passages]
You still have not answered my questions. Do you hate smokers and people who cheat on their taxes?
Health, on the contrary, Sefer Chafetz Chaim is all about NOT saying or believing evil reports. You have made a contention against my sources. Therefor it is up to you to prove it=- ?????? ?????? ???? ?????. Tell me, do you hate smokers, people who cheat on their taxes, etc.?
Health, please cite your source.
Neville, it is true that Carter ordered the cancellation of Iranian-U.S. visas and a moratorium on new visas, with exceptions for humanitarian and otherwise compelling situations. However, that is not the same as Trump’s plan. Carter’s actions were in retaliation for the taking of American hostages with the connivance of the new government. Trump wants a restriction on a religious basis because of the actions of individuals. This would be akin to banning Jewish immigration because of the likes of Emma Goldman (not to mention Trotsky, who lived in the Bronx after being forced to flee Czarist Russia)and Lepke Buchalter (whose actions even shocked Lucky Luciano). Not to mention that the plan is unworkable. As Rabbi Pruzansky pointed out, how would a person’s religion be determined? By asking him?
Mdd,
1. OK. Howeevr, I note your sheeta of simply poseling rabbanim who disagree with you. Thus “most” rabbanim pasken your way.
2. In any case, saying “I’m sorry” is not enough regarding aveirot ben adam v’chaveiro. For example, if someone stole he must reimburse his victim.
Not to mention the fact that several pundits have described the Trump phenomenon as a form of identity politics. Coupled with other forms of identity politics such as Black Lives Matter it bodes ill for the future of America as a country based on unity in diversity. At worst ti could lead to Lebanonization.
Joseph, how about that Mashiach should come in my lifetime? Maybe a seat on his Sanhedrin.
Akuperma, I guess that free speech was abridged.
Mdd,
1. I dispute you.
2. Correct.
3. Why only a get? What about kiddushin? Baruch Hashem I have ben to many weddings, including Chareidi weddings, and I never heard a messader kiddushin say this.
Mdd,
1. On the contrary, it is supported by virtually all poskim today.
2. Who is presumed to be an “erliche Yid” in today’s anonymous society? For that matter, what is an “erliche Yid”. Someone who keeps Shabbat but lies, cheats and steals? Is someone who shirks his duty to join the IDF presumed to be an erliche Yid?
Joseph ,he also does not pasken that it is prohibited to say lashon hara. In any case, opposing a belief is not racism. We must strive to love all peoples (Rav Chaim Vital Shaarei Kedusha 1,1,1 and Rav Kook Midot HaRaya Ahava 5). Indeed, if someone has the status of a ger toshav (without getting into whether or nott his status exists in our time) we have a positive Tora mitzva to keep him alive.
Joseph, then I guess Hashem was right when He sent my neshama down when he did.
I am a dual citizen (US and Israel). In the case of the former, I see it as being based on the sheva mitzvot (although the left is trying to replace them with a secular liberalism that is essentially pagan). The Anglo-American philosophers of the 17-19th centuries were lovers of Tanach who saw it as the blueprint for the ideal state. The English legal philosopher John Selden even learned with Rabbi Menashe ben Yisrael. In the case of the latter, it is the precursor to the complete geula. Moreover, we are enjoined to pray for the government as the protector from mob rule.
Any simple person will do (Megilla 15a).
Mdd, that does not apply in our time (Chazon Ish Yoreh Deah 2,16 and see also Rambam Hilchot Mamrim 3,3 and Rema Yoreh Deah 340,5). Even in Chazal’s time it only applied where one was a witness to an aveira. If that applied in our time we would all have to hate each other. Start off with all those who smoke in public and drivers who violate traffic laws.
Health, on the contrary, the anti-Zionists are rebelling against Hashem and aiding our enemies. BTW, we are not supposed to hated reshaim but only ra (Berachot 10a).
Nishtdayngesheft, I hope that that op-ed was just a fit of pique due to his flap with the Chief Rabbinate and that he since has regretted it. While we both have since moved on, when I knew him thirty years ago he had strong criticisms of Conservative and Reform. I also had the impression that early on he decided to play the “good cop” in order to attract BTs and keep marginal FFBs from going completely OTD. In fact, he once commented that meany of those who started in HIR would no longer daven there – and he did not seem upset about it.
However, I do think that the criticism should continue. Hopefully it will do for OO what the Mitnagdim did for the Chassidim (“Mekor Baruch” in the name of the Tzemach Tzedek).
According to today’s Jerusalem Post Trump wants to go up on Har HaBayit. Would any of you astute observers want to hazard a guess as to what will happen?
Neville, you obviously have no idea as to the connotation of discrimination in this context. While you are correct that immigration to the US is a privilege and not a right it may not be directed against a broad religious group and certainly not against someone who is defined s a member of that group because of his national origin even though he might not be particularly religious (and Moslems have the same range as us – there have even been complaints about asking “Sheik Google” questions about Sharia). For example, someone who has expressed support for ISIS could and should be excluded. However, to make a blanket exclusion of Moslems (and BTW, he has also made racist attacks on other groups) is reprehensible. He obviously thinks that he is right but so did anti-Semites like Gerald Burton Winrod ym”s, who said “After observing the title of this book, some will accuse me of being anti-Semitic. If by this they mean that I am opposed to the Jews as a race or as a religion, I deny the allegation. But if they mean that I am opposed to a coterie of international Jewish bankers ruling the Gentile world by the power of gold, if they mean that I am opposed to international Jewish Communism, then I plead guilty to the charge.”
The fact of the matter is that many bankers were Jewish and many Communists were Jewish. In fact, the atomic spies were all Jews. Many gangsters were also Jewish. Was the US right to exclude Jews seventy five years ago?
Joseph, that is private discrimination such as preferring Jews in hiring (if one has one’s own business). A government has no right to discriminate accept under very limited circumstances (e.g. a human sacrifice cult). Trump is today’s Gerald Burton Winrod ym”s (@DY). The same old junk in a new package. In fact, if gentiles have gilgulim (it is a machloket) I would guess that Trump is a gilgul of Winrod.
Or they were Ashkenazim. Some say that the reason not to name after a living grandparent is so as not to appear that they are calling the parent by his name. In fact, one of the interpretations as to why Abaye was called Abaye is that his name was Nachmani, which was his grandfather’s (and Rabba’s father’s) name.