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Rso-
“ Where on earth did you get that from?”
I’m sure you don’t want too hear Chassidus so basic sources are “bizechus nashim tzidkonios etc etc”
For Miriam- the women, let by Miriam had tambourines, prepared while still in the worst of golus, while the men
Didn’t- the women had more Emuna

Aharon was mourned by men and women alike because he brought Shalom while Moshe wasn’t (Rashi on Aharon’s passing and the mourning)

Rso- so what… Tanya 42 also says that there’sa spark of Moishe in every yid- that doesn’t negate the Moshe shebador.

2scents- looks like the second part of your question was answered by Menachem

As far as knowing who is tzadik etc- what we can measure is speech and action/ sometimes thought in facial expression etc

But beinoni and tzadik alike have mastered that. So that’s why I said you can see a tzadik is a different plane- like the Rambam says when he discusses nevuah- that after a Chacham reaches a certain level in Avodas Hashem- his senses become elevated- ie he gets ruach hakodesh and people can tell

Also I noted that when people struggle with evil, even if they do good, they will express that in their words as well… I hope that’s clearer

A gutte voch from my locality!
Qwerty- I meant obnoxious to what you described as militant Chabad. As to your question about moshiach not usurping Hashems rule so why does The Rebbe, my point was that The Rebbe doesn’t the same way Moshiach doesn’t- same idea (obviously Moshiach on a higher plane.) if you’re not sure what that’s gonna look like, I’ll be happy to explain, there’s a Maamar by the Tzemach Tzedek called Minui Melech that addresses this.

The opening question is: why would decent frum people need a king anyway? They don’t need to be policed- they don’t commit crimes! (And especially by Moshiach- what’s his role anyway?)

I’m sure your local Chabad rabbi can learn it with you inside- otherwise happy to help if needed

To QWERTY- obnoxious people don’t learn that from Judaism, ie if someone is only Chabad because he thinks no one else has value other than Chabad, he is definitely lacking in ahavas Yisrael and has blemished his own Neshama (see derech mitzvosecha of the
Tzemach Tzedek Mitzvas ahavas Yisrael.)

People like this aren’t unique to Chabad…

And I do my best to have no part of such mindset/ behavior. It really comes from a lack of self esteem.

Just PSA about nossi hador- nossi hador doesn’t mean that no one else is greater in some way than Moshe- Aharon was greater in Shalom, and Miriam was greater in Emuna/ tambourines. But the mission was Dor Deiah so Moshe was chosen as nossi

Qwerty
“You ask why it’s hard to fathom Hashem handing the world’s car keys to the Rebbe. Aftsr all that’s what will happen when Moshiach comes. Yes tjat’s what will happen when Moshiach comes. But tjete are no Moshiach tryouts. Hashem knows who will take the reins. Sometime hopefully in the non too distant future.”

I’m sorry you understand the era of moshiach in this way. Do you really think we’ve been serving Hashem throughout golus so moshiach can come and take over from Hashem??

Arso: rereading your post- please show/ quote me where Ispashtusa dMoshe is in the plural (besides for the fact we all have a spark of Moshe within us, I know that. As well as a spark of Moshiach, Navi etc.)

But from what I learned, there’s the mini version in all Yidden and the macro version in the Rebbe.

It would seem from rashi I think it is – Shmuel bdoro kMoshe bdoro etc- yes there were many leaders I’m sure, but one was highlighted as the go to for the generation

Avira, If you have issues with Hashem’s complete dominion revealing itself through a human/ humans, I’m curious what you think of Moshiach? After all, it says about him that וירד מים עד ים ומנהר עד אפסי ארץ.

Some people tend to obsess more about The Rebbe because once you connect to the Rebbe, your connection to Hashem will be so much deeper and enriched.

Personally I’m so grateful and excited that I have a
doable path laid out for myself on working towards becoming a tzadik of Tanya and beyond, and the motivation for doing it- because of my Rebbe.

I haven’t seen anything else that would come close in giving me this gift and excitement for Hashem.

Just so you know the constant theme in Chassidus is Dirah btachtonim. The first stop for dirah btachtonim is that the Yid himself should be an expression of Hashem in this world. On a practical level- every thought speech and action. Including and especially divrei rishus. And beyond into the proper feelings for Hashem, kavana etc

Ok ok last one hopefully (sorry for derailing but I really think this will be fascinating for ujm and maybe others as well. Besides it’s hot off the press)

https://anash dot org/the-rebbes-pride-and-joy-in-nshei-ubnos-chabad/

To Avira and YB:
I don’t have much time but in short- yes as Avira said, our Rebbe helps us connect better to Hashem and it’s actually a mitzvah to do so. Uvo sidbak- to Him you shall cleave. How? By connecting to Talmidei Chachamim.

No one likes megillas but you can look up hilchos T”T 5:5 (Rambam) on what reverence for a Rebbe is supposed to be.

As for cunins statement- he’s not The Rebbe but a very solid yid and chossid. And I’m supposing he meant The Rebbe rubbing the world (as a clear agent of Hashem )
as opposed to Trump/Biden/ the elites or whatever earthly agents there are lhavdil.

Obviously not in contrast to Hashem- a Rebbe is completely batul to Hashem (as yb put it “avdus”, we say batul)

Is anyone still interested in my reply? It’s busy here…

Nomesorah- thanks but what was that in reference to?

*moshiach not Malach

Truth is, there were people who, from there description, were Tzaddikim too, post war such as the Baba Sali, the Gerrer Rebbe ( who sensed things with ruach hakodesh) (I think it was the Gerrer Rebbes, if not than another, not the point)

I wish I heard of more Tzaddikim today, but in light of The Rebbe telling us that the responsibility to bring Malach has passed on to the individual men, women and children from the Tzadik etc, shortly before the Rebbes stroke, it makes sense…

Jude- there were many Tzaddikim in pre war Europe outside of lubavitch. Lubavitch doesn’t believe in excluding others from being leaders and even Tzaddikim in klal Yisrael. The Rebbe met with, and highly respected, many admurim/ Sephardic chief rabbi/ etc etc titles.

Just happens to be that I don’t hear of any “Tzaddikim of Tanya” Today outside of the Rebbe, who by the way saw yidden who came to him from all streams of Yiddishkeit- not just lubavitch in case you were wondering

(Just cuz you’re gonna ask- yea there is only one nossi hador- nossi as in Neshama klalis of the gen, sorry it’s not popular… every stream in Yiddishkeit has something special and unique they contribute)

Just saying that no one has to worry about a Chabad veto over moshiach (if there ever was such a thing.)

It’s much easier for any Chabad person to accept someone else endorsed by Rabbanim/ gedolim worldwide (The logical thing to do) than to stubbornly insist the Rebbe must be moshiach (which is Emuna based more than logic based.) Whoever builds the Beis HaMikdash will be accepted by everyone (duh I should hope)

“The Rebbe runs the world…”

I’m sure no one here would have a problem with the statement Bibi runs EY… it’s the same thing. Limited decision making (as per Hashem allots) as a messenger of Hashem.

That said, I personally don’t make such statements as i never say The Rebbe physically in this world, and I don’t see how it all “works” today (although I definitely see many requests “fast tracked” to Hashem, and the brachos brought down, as explained in derech mitzvosecha that when one knows how to present his request to Hashem it’s like asking the king in his treasury for money, as opposed to when he’s in his war room, which takes more zechusim etc, and The Rebbe is my best foot forward so to speak because were one Neshama). But Rabbi Cunin, who saw these things physically, does feel comfortable to say that, and it’s not an issue unless someone outside makes it one.

5783- just reading further your previous post- firstly I’m sure The Rebbe knows Tanya better than anyone else. bring the mimale makom of his predecessors etc. So you can look up the references above to see how it
all goes.

Secondly I’m really not that learned, so I’m sorry I cannot give a complete succinct on one foot answer, but according to what I’ve learned in derech mitzvosecha- shoresh Mitzvas hatefilla- (sorry there’s49 chapters- I’m in the middle so far, but probably around 10) I remember that Hashem is one and there’s no levels, just different expressions of His Oneness- just like I might decide to give (chessed) or not to give (gevura) but ultimately it’s me deciding and doing whatever- so too everything from above Atzilus down through Atzilus etc is Hashem Himself using different forms of revelation/ expression. But it’s all Hashem which is why we say Keil referring to Hashem as He is kind- and not davening to the midda of chessed in Atzilus itself which could be ע״ז ח״ו. ע״ש

And was it CA or Daas Yochid who were shocked I could use the word partners in reference to us and Hashem? And sechel hayashar told me off too- he apparently has never come across such language? I’m telling you, when I learned the most geshmake maamar of the mitteler Rebbe recently, and was delving into the refreshing waters of that relationship- I thought of the cr too, with irony…

Just a few regards..

There are better questions to ask than making an issue out of nothing. For example I’d love to ask our learned Lubavitchers, keeping in mind last shabbos, it’s been asked on the CR how can there be a navi in chutz laaretz if a navi can only receive nevuah in Eretz Yisrael? Since I’m not very learned I haven’t come across the answer yet. I’d love to be enlightened.

Thanks for the laughs!!

Avira- not a contradiction. Yes he needs to fulfill all his Halachic criteria to get geula set up. But once that’s done, why is he called a king? What’s the significance? The answer is that he will elevate the people by being משכמו ולמעלה מכל העם in his Neshamas level and comprehension of Elokus, which he will then use to elevate the people. (He won’t need to force/ control the people because we won’t need policemen when moshiach comes. So this is the loftier idea of a king.)

See Derech Mitzvosecha- minui melech for more

Avira, if you are interested in the topic, you can Google the two pesukim I originally listed (aishes chayil ateres baala and nekeiva tisovev gever), and Google Chassidus, and you can look up the original sources on Hebrew books. This isn’t The Rebbes original idea, so you can find previous Rebbeim etc explaining the topic. Why I personally am fascinated with Chassidus, is because it takes lofty obscure Kabbalistic concepts and makes it very relevant by using mashalim from our own life experience, as the posuk says “מבשרי אחזה אלוק”. But BH there’s such a wide sea of Torah learning, and as long as you hook onto something within that sea to inspire you and engrave Torah into you until it’s inseparable from every part of your life, along with special mentors etc., that’s great.

Avira,
“So what the Lubavitcher rebbe said did not address teaching the women the beauty of jewish femininity; the akeres habayis, the stronghold of emunah, the calm nurturing mother, the builder of klal yisroel, the daughter of Hashem – those are things beis yaakov teaches to inspire Jewish girls. And they don’t feel any less valuable because of it. Why couldn’t the Lubavitcher rebbe do the same?”

So we are taught all this. But also explaining how true
feminism is Torah, which does appeal to women from all backgrounds. You think a woman wants to wear a talis for the sake of wearing it? No, she just doesn’t want to feel that the men have more of a connection than she does. Seeing Torah which values and celebrates Both genders is eye opening for many.

And then the deeper dimension of the increasing importance of the feminine takes it to a different level. Today, Lubavitcher women feel just as much Chassidim of The Rebbe as the men. You could have a couple where the husband isn’t Lubavitch and the wife is. I’ve heard a few times that young women from other Chassidic groups became Lubavitch precisely because of this- they’re not just the wife of a chossid or a daughter of a chossid who assists her husband etc with his avoda by keeping a clean home etc. but she herself is a chossid. One woman described how she walked into 770 to check it out, and was happily surprised to see the girls delving into the sichos, saying Chitas etc. This new emphasis on the women, Nshei Chabad communal events etc, is because of the spiritual era we are entering more and more. In the outside world, the feminism is a actually anti women but the concept is real