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Assaf, you sound like a very well thought out individual. I wonder, was your decision to go OTD based on disappointment with frum Jews, or disagreement with the Orthodox aproach to Judaism, or difficulty with keeping Mitzvos?
Please read the book One People, Two Worlds: A Reform Rabbi and an Orthodox Rabbi Explore the Issues That Divide Them.
While I personally am a “Derech Emtzai” person, admiring most a middle of the road practice of Orthodoxy, I loved Rabbi Reinman’s thoughts and explanations, as did many others from all walks of life, who reviewed the book on Amazon. This book will give you much to think about. You might figure things out about yourself and your choices. It might speak to some of your doubts and guide you for the future. I dont think you will regret it.
Ive heard questions like:
How do we know that Hashem has a definite preference for Orthodox observance of the Torah, if you can be a good person and respected Jew and not be Orthodox?
If someone enjoys Shabbos better with music, why cant they listen to music? They use air conditoning and heating, etc
Why are Frum kids taught to hate all Goyim and that MOST Goyim and freye Jews do bad things, almost likened to dogs?
Why do we look down at Jews less Frum than us?
Why did Hashem create those who have urges for same gender relationships, if its an abomination?
Why dont Frum Jews marry Gerim and BT’s if youre supposed to be Mekarev them? The Frummer people are, the less likely theyll marry Gerim or BTs. Many Gerim and BTs leave because they feel hypochrisy.
Why in much of the Frum world has fanciness (keeping up with designer clothing and decorating to the extreme), almost become a Halacha to be kept in many very Frum circles?
Why are Menuvalim (people who do improper things of all kinds publicly, etc) honored by Yeshivos?
The list goes on….
The answers I’ve heard is you have to believe… if you believe there are no questions, if you dont believe, there are no answers or something similar…
Brilliant and sensitive post.
While by far, most Rabbonim and people of importance in Chinuch and Yiddishkeit are sensitive and intuitive, unfortunately, some Rabbonim and people of importance in Chinuch and Yiddishkeit are not sensitive and intuitive at all. Humans are humans.
Sometimes its the little guy, with no fame or notoriety or degree, just a big kind heart and sharp brain, who is very sensitive and intuitive and deals best with people in difficult situations.
brotherofurs, how did it end? Did the Rov apologize and continue the conversation at a later date, or did the Rov show no interest? Did he run off or did she run off? What was the last exchange between them?
We got half a story here.
DY,
But when you go after someone with a good reputation, based on accusations from people with a horrible reputation (and no other evidence)
PEOPLE! We agree that thats plural! The DA and Rabbi Horowitz and people in the mental health profession are well aware of otherS. Plural!
Health,
We actually have something called a Torah and all those Jews jumping in joy for putting away for good this so-called molester have no concern what it says. Well it says even if this guy would be guilty the punishment is for him to marry her and pay a fine. So all these “Frum” people screaming “Yahoo” are just arguing with Hashem and his Torah and they think they know better than G-d!
We actually have something called a Torah that forbids Yichud.
he told me about a segula involving putting a brick in the oven while baking challah with specific wording on it and then leaving it at a tzaddiks kever-
Has anyone else had success with this Segulah? If anyone knows the details of how this is supposed to be done, please clarify.
trim, we are all products of our environments.
Do you live in a neighborhood where to fit in and be popular, you and your children have to look, walk, talk, think like others, be a clone of those who are considered popular, lest you be looked down at, like either a rachmonus or lacking “taste”? Maybe people who dont keep up, just dont fit in there and arent admired.
I hear theres someone in jail, giving a “touching” Shiur on Hilchos Yichud.
shmoel
That isn’t a “need”.
You are right! Its not a need for those who live a life of 100% Ruchnius. But not everyone can.
Everything beyond very basic and humble types of food, clothing and shelter is Gashmius. Not too many in our Dor live Gashmius-free lives.
Some need fancy this and fancy that, some need entertainment… We all have different weaknesses.
just me, youre 100% right, its Lashon Hara. I have heard as well that he’s very into Chesed.
Unfortunately, its painful to be losing performers, one by one, who we previously felt comfortable with, hashkafa-wise, who entertained our children and granchildren together with adults.
Lipa is silly/funny and amusing, not just a dry performer, and yet not totally for children like Uncle Moishi.
He was in that middle range that adults and children both enjoyed. Who else is there who fills that need?
There is an issue of believing loshon horah also.
And there is an issue in believing tens of therapists in the frum community, who are saying that theyre seeing other victims of HIS, who are telling of similar scenarios! Not one or two, by the way!
And there is an issue of keeping Hilchos Yichud, if youre a Yid mit Burd un Payis, and NOT saying it’s a man-made Halacha, all leading to the biggest Chilul Hashem in a very long time. Had he taken the 4 years he was offered, hed have spared the frum Oilem the huge embarassment of the court case and the resulting association of those who look like him, perhaps all living a double life, like him, for years straight.
Lets call a spade a spade.
artchill, +100,000,000,Ad infinitum
When he FRANKly apologizes to the victim, and does whatever he can to root out molesters from our midst, wake me up.
WIY,
The other ad was an ostentatious advertisement for a frum Jewelry business with a picture of a $40,000+ watch on it.
It probably wasnt a Rolex, if it was advertised by a frum store. Rolex doesnt have any frum sounding dealers listed on their website. Are there $40G watches from another maker? Just curious.
I got curious and went on the Rolex website and checked for authorized dealers in New York. The Rolex authorized dealers close to the frum neighborhoods (NYC, Long Island) are not familiar or frum sounding names.
For instance, the only authorized dealer in Brooklyn is a store, whose other location is open on Shabbos. So who are we blaming?
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In response to the mention of Boro Park chandeliers:
One of my relatives living in BP has one of the grandest looking chandeliers, which was bought on Ebay for $200. Big deal.
And please dont slander Chareidim or Rabbonim by stating they are all in the Democrat voting machine.
Slander?
/?sland?r/Noun
The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person’s reputation.
I was referring to Brooklyn, here its no secret, and certainly NOT false. Its their highly publicized choice. A quick look in any newspaper, election time, and its as clear as can be. Any kid who can read will see whom is backing whom.
Lets all Heib of Inzere Hentelech Tzu Tatte in Himmel asap, for Lipa’s sake.
Does he really think secular Jews and non-Jews will buy his stuff? I cant see it.
What is he thinking?
Health,
He might not be doing it the right way, but IMHO his way is better than No way!
Thats who/what people think of when they think religious Jews. The message is lost and worse! People laugh and then feel the opposite of what the person with no social skills shouts about.
1- Gezunt
2- Parnasa
3- Nachas
World peace and the end of Anti-semitism would be nice too.
Morah,
I am honestlyore disturbed that so many men here noticed.
To what do you credit your knowledge of which posters are male and which are female?
Anyhow, never mind the details, its not at all Heimish feeling, to the slightest degree, except for Lipa’s look and accent. His other projects were Heimish feeling.
Syag,
If you pay attention you will notice lubavitch ‘stuff’ throughout. We just assumed he made this with/for them to use in their outreach. If that IS the case (my son mentioned it, not me) than some of us here may owe him a bit of an apology.
Ive seen Outreach films and I dont think showing a woman with sleeves above the elbow and putting on make-up are prerequisites and will neccessarily make them any more of a success.
This is why I tend to think people like R’ Levin are doing more good than harm. Of course most Jews don’t like that approach of “in your face”, but the fact is – he is combatting this ignorance that makes Toeiva PC in our generation.
Im not looking to insult anyone, but if effectiveness is the goal, while everyone is allowed freedom of speech, unfortunately, if Levin had a more “Malcolm Hoenlein” (his manner came to my mind) way of speaking and looking, Levin’s and the Torah’s ideas would be taken MUCH more seriously (isnt that what we want?). That style presents well to the masses and our Oilem has many such people who should be coaxed to come forward and speak publicly to represent our views. Some do us a disservice rather than a service.
Health,
As far as Jews not changing their voting policies -they are not the least bit Ehrlich & will have to give a Din V’chesbon – how it’s more important to them to line their own pockets than to stop this Toeiva madness!
90% if not more, of the Grand Rabbis in Brooklyn are aligned with the Democratic voting machine (who very proudly support gay rights), and are telling their flock that thats what is best for them. What do you propose to change that?
Perhaps you can come up with other suggestions that are more realistic.
To those who feel we should be doing more about homosexuality and other Aveiros not committed specifically by us, please read my above post, directed at Health.
Please tell us what we can do to rid the world of homosexuality, the reason some feel we are getting punishment from Above.
Health, cantgetit and others: I cantgetit.
What are we to do?