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Now we need to revive the shidduch vaccine thread.
Nobody ever claimed that it was a “fix-all”.
Or your neighbor’s possible needs before your possible needs?
Of course, they’re not precisely the same, and certainly in the case if shidduchim, individuals have specific needs, but the thought process should be the same, even if the decision is not.
Why you should vaccinate and date closer in age 101.
Excellent. I don’t know how many people get your comparison, but it works.
but it’s a waste of the planet’s resources.
More like:
but it might cause your downstairs neighbor a lot of water damage.
If a bad age (or age gap) is a negative, a good age (or gap) is a positive.
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Sam:
Your two sentences contradict each other. I agree with the second. It’s actually a gemara (which Health doesn’t like).
I don’t propose to speak on his behalf as to why this issue is more upsetting to him than others. Perhaps, if a patient’s parent, as part of a growing movement among the impressionable masses, would seriously insist that, contrary to the position of the vast overwhelming majority of physicians, car seats do more harm than good, he would be equally agitated.
Perhaps not, for the simple reason that the negligence to properly secure one’s own child in no way endangers those of others. In either case, it certainly seems to be neglectful of the child’s well-being.
I can assure you that it is not his arrogance which causes him to get upset (he does not “hyperventilate”, and his blood does not “boil”), as you seem to believe. Anyone who knows Dr. Shanik can attest to this.
This.
Especially the part about my kid eating a candy bar not killing your kid, and the part that even the minority of doctors who don’t have huge egos are also upset at the anti-vaxxers.
Do doctors get “visibly upset” when they see an obese child in their exam room eating a candy bar?
What a poor comparison. If the anti-vaxxers had their way, we’d have massive outbreaks of horrible diseases. It’s no wonder he gets visibly upset.
So there opinion that similar in age can be compatible is preposterous?
Then age is relevant.
The arrogance exudes like sweat on a Marine.
Interesting simile.
Individual matches with an age gap aren’t the problem. The problem is the consistent pattern of boys getting married three or four years older than girls. If age was irrelevant, that wouldn’t happen; it would be pretty much even.
If age was irrelevant, just as many matches between 19 year old males and 50 year old females would take place as the reverse.
Bump
Anyhow, popa, why would you bother? Do you think he’ll win because of your solitary vote?
Look who our president is.
NASI would be very happy if age became totally irrelevant, because then there would be no age gap.
Well, then, in your case, I’m glad your selfishness is consistent.
Is that worse than the vast number of shidduchim redt to younger singles with the sole worthiness of the match being the fact that he’s four years older than she is?
You can also save yourself the tircha of voting because the chances of a candidate winning by one vote are infinitesimal.
DR,
How is it self defeating?
ZD, the day after the asifa, R’ Mattisyahu had a meeting with rabbonim about how to implement filtering.
That is true, but the question is about someone who doesn’t “want” to see inappropriate images.
There are many different levels of “want”, and your comment only speaks to one of them.
Right, that is what your job is supposed to be, and what nobody believes you do anymore.
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If more physicians responded to their patients with patience, flexibility, compassion, and information rather than bullying, rigidity, putdowns, and fear mongering, then the so-called “anti-vax” movement would hardly be the problem it is today.
Okay, so the anti-vax movement comes from lack of trust and comfort with physicians. That doesn’t make it right or any less dangerous.
At least mouthwash, I hope.
it doesn’t make sense
If too many people think about THEIR kids and not think about vaccination of kids as a whole, what happens is what happened in Williamsburg, only with worse diseases than chickenpox.
Speed limits don’t help. They should abolish speed limits because some people violate them.
I assumed he was referring to the vaccination shots causing fever and the fever causing febrile seizures.
Anti-vaxxer? No. My kids get all the regular vaccines such as polio, MMR, etc., and even chickenpox.
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That’s right. But your doctor never told you that before sticking your newborn baby who is barely 2 minutes born with a vaccine against STD’s, did they?
My doctor didn’t give my kid that one.
Toothpaste. Don’t use circular motions, apply from the center toward the edge, and make sure you completely wash off all of the toothpaste when you finish so it doesn’t eat away at the CD.
That’s not evidence, that’s an assertion.
Let’s say it’s correct, though. Still, what does “plenty” mean? And what harm do these seizures cause? And, most importantly, what benefit is there to the vaccine, and is it worth the risk?
ZD, why do you assume it’s a he?
Obviously, the author has a smartphone; she’s part of several WhatsApp groups. I don’t know if Satmar “bans” smartphones, but I can tell you that many chassidim have them for work, and I don’t think Android or iPhone makes any difference.
Understood, but why does that make you think the article is a phony?
ZD, they can have Androids but not iPhones? If so, what’s the difference?
I have no idea if the article is phony or not, but your argument isn’t convincing.
Just pointing out the kind of hashkafah that leads to people not vaccinating.
The Bergs also don’t drink Diet Pepsi. Does that mean if I don’t drink Diet Pepsi I share their hashkafos?
BTW, charliehall, I agree with you to vaccinate your kids, but not because the Bergs don’t. I have no idea why that should make a difference.
Was there anything different about those 100 that you could predict who the chicken pox would harm and who it wouldn’t? Why not just vaccinate those people at risk?
Highly doubtful that you could isolate those kids.
But it’s to your benefit as well, according to conventional medical knowledge, which is what we accept l’halachah.
I say all three parshiyos before going to sleep, so even if I forget that I davened Maariv early, I’m yotzei krias Shema, but not sefira.
That goes both ways.
How so?
The question is the numbers, and which is more dangerous – everyone getting vaccines or everyone not.
Even on an individual basis, is not getting vaccinated more or less risky than getting vaccinated?
That’s without even contemplating the moral issue of possible self interest vs. the potential to be the cause of harm to others.
And, if you want to tell me that Chazal knew everything
I don’t think anyone says that. I think when the gemara applies ??? ?’ ?????? to Chazal’s knowledge of the physical world, it means that Hashem reveals some (not all) hidden things to Chazal, so that it’s no wonder how they know certain facts not otherwise known.
It doesn’t mean that they necessarily knew the Far Eastern haberdashery styles.
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Sam, agreed, and well said.
The tone I pick up from some of these posts is that if the need is great enough, and not necessarily by a halachic definition of need, halachah can be broken.
That’s very different than saying that there’s a shittah that’s meikil, and perhaps that can be relied upon in difficult circumstances.