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DY: That thread doesn’t say much. What am I missing?
Chrein?
When my wife says to buy China, she doesn’t mean Noritake or Mikasa.
Okay, I’ll bite. What does she mean?
Noritake and Mikasa are JAPANESE, NOT Chinese products. Your predjudice and/or ignorance now shines through.
Wait, so when my wife asks me to buy her a set of fine China, she’s being racist?
DY: If you have such a question you should ask you rabbi. If you are a Rabbi, don’t pasken based on internet info.
So I’ll disregard that statement, since it’s from the internet, and keep paskening from random internet sites.
(I wasn’t asking a question, just pointing out a current nafka mina.)
Pro
I would call them freedom fries, but that would offend dictators.
Joseph, thank you for educating me. From now on, I’ll call them chips.
CTL, it’s not a mitzvah to get offended. There is no documentation as to the origin of the term, only theories. One theory I read is that the term “Chinese” was chosen to give the impression that the event would be exotic. Another theory is that they used to serve Chinese food at these auctions. Another theory is that originally the prizes were beautiful Noritake and Mikasa sets. I’ll make up some more if you want.
People find dinner time calls offensive. You should run your list through the DNC list even if it’s not legally mandated.
And most importantly, what difference does it make in this point in history?
Can I eat Satmar shechitah?
“Moaner Rosenblum” has a nicer ring than “Moaner Lisa”. Unless you’re from Brooklyn, I guess.
Rosenblum. I can’t think of another.
but I don’t think (and correct me if I’m wrong) there is any real difference.
There are several differences. Off the top of my head, z’man Mincha and Maariv, bein hashmoshos for certain situations (e.g. amirah l’akum l’tzorech), mayim shelanu.
My discussion was based on actual experience having a Chinese child.
Your having a Chinese child, which is wonderful, doesn’t make the term Chinese Auction offensive.
They only do it because you’re too cheap to donate money otherwise.
That’s the sad truth.
HaKatan, your positions are inconsistent, as has been pointed out numerous times. Saying “AYLOR” simply evades the stirah. Instead of doing that, think through where you are erring.
5L {shudder}, maskim. What do you suggest I change it to?
Sam, if you don’t want to be offended, I have no problem. Its no mitzvah to be easily offended. I just think that even if someone finds that particular use of “Jew” to be offensive, they shouldn’t find “Chinese Auction” offensive.
I agree that Jewish Israeli Princess is offensive.
ZD, I disagree with that comparison. The term “Chinese Auction” has no obvious offensive meaning, while the term “Jew down the price” does.
What a hypocrite! How dare you come on and give sanctimonious mussar about the innocuous computerized tomography, using the offensive screen name you do.
Do you know what horrors your screen name awakens in me? Can you imagine the torture I went through in a grade between fourth and sixth, with a rebbe whose last name started with a letter somewhere between K and M? Are you so callous and insensitive to use that offensive screen name, and so unembarrassingly falsely pious as to even use it in a post innocently written by a member of that most noble proffesion, legal council?
For shame (how I shudder to even think it), 5L.
Yes, that would be time consuming. My method is quicker.
You’ve got it backwards. It’s nationalists who use their idealogy to rationalize away the issur and the sakanah.
Yehudayona, Joseph was responding to Yserbius123′ “heter” to masser on a tzeddakah telemarketer.
You don’t think “issur gemur… vi’chas vi’shaom lihukel ba’zeh” means “no halachic ground to stand on”?
One thing it doesn’t mean is “and even if someone follows the mesorah of their community to follow Rabeinu Tam’s shittah, they are still michutz lamachaneh”.
Some of you may not believe this, but in real life, I’m a pretty nice guy. So it wasn’t easy, but I trained myself to simply say, “Sorry, but now is not a good time” and hang up even while the telemarketer starts to make his/her pitch.
A kid once told me that he and his father would sit in the car on late Shabbos afternoon waiting for the zman (42?) to turn on the ignition and head to the stadium so they wouldn’t miss more of the game than they had to.
Oh, come on, you can’t call someone a mechallel Shabbos for holding of Rabbeinu Tam’s shittah kipshutah.
Or against sockpuppeting, but it’s still very annoying.
Joseph, there’s no specific halachah against walking over to someone and tickling them either.
I didn’t merely post that as an appeal to authority (although appeal to authority is a fundamental Torah tenet).
If Hakatan doesn’t think it’s literally A”Z, he’s had ample opportunity to clarify that it’s merely a figure of speech.
This is much worse than all of the other things mentioned. To quote from the article I linked earlier:
“Rav Elyashiv called on the president to prevent Jews from visiting Har HaBayis, stating it is an act that that is viewed as extremely provocative by the goyim. Maran stated everything possible must be done to avoid a religious war, and the provocateurs are playing with fire.”
What Shabbos issue?
Even though the place was owned by Satmar’s the workers were all kind
Why would that be surprising?
As far as the meat, if there was a real issue of ne’emanus, they wouldn’t eat fish either. It’s probably a matter of shechitah standards.
And keep in mind, jaywalking is more wrong than ascending har habayis.
No it isn’t, because it is not something expected to lead to violence.
BTW as far as the cartoons
So should governments ban offensive cartoons in order to protect their populace?
Query if the benefit of free speech outweighs the danger.
(for example, if you did you could not use any major hechsher–do you not?)
Don’t ask him, ask his LOR.
That’s what I would have told Sam had I met him.
The flaw in your enraged motorist moshol is that his actions were completely unpredictable, whereas arab terror isn’t.
This is the case for “inciting attacks” by shooting terrorists, walking on har habayis, drawing cartoons or being Jewish. Since all of these are entirely justified (even if they did lead to an increase in attacks)
This is where you err. Inciting terrorists is not justified unless the action which does so is necessary to achieve a greater potential benefit than the potential damage.
This is the case with 1&4, but not 2&3.
DY:
I said that this is for an LOR to decide.
Yes, and I said that if it were truly A”Z, you wouldn’t need to ask an LOR, the same way you wouldn’t need ask about a buddhist.
You continue to evade the question.